Moneypot Top 5 of the most populated Apps in 2016

[soldat13]

My vote :

1)Betterbets.io
2)BitDragon Casino
3)Seuntjie Dice Bot

[JackpotRacer]

Restricting the client seeds can only theoretically hurt the players, not benefit them. 

Hypothetically, A bad operator (it would be us [MP] in this case) could predict what seed the user would choose based on restrictions and use it against them by changing our own seed and gaining an edge. 

However, you can deduce by our investor profit, that we have not and never will do this.

Please do not try to misinform the people.

sorry for late reply I was a bit busy. you are misinforming the people cause you just need to go back to the MP thread you closed
and see that a MP user Bunit found out that Yahoo Bubbles did cut the client seed numbers by 50%. why would he do this after all games had correct client seed numbers but the last game = slider he added had a 50% cut?

and RHavar wrote that it is not Provably Fair

what can I deduce by investor profit? just check the high of investors profit and where it is now. I didnt say you did anything wrong so please dont twist my words again. I just said the facts that yahoo told his dev to do it cause he thought he has better chances to win. and then NotTardy came out of the blue to his app. why didnt NotTardy go to Bit Exo or BB or Jackpotracer dice?

btw you still owe us (players & investors) the answer how much did NotTardy deposit when he came to our Lottery? you know it and you dont tell us. my bet still stands that it was less than 2 BTC and BTC was not 1000$ at that time

[B_UN1T]

Restricting the client seeds can only theoretically hurt the players, not benefit them. 

Hypothetically, A bad operator (it would be us [MP] in this case) could predict what seed the user would choose based on restrictions and use it against them by changing our own seed and gaining an edge. 

However, you can deduce by our investor profit, that we have not and never will do this.

Please do not try to misinform the people.

sorry for late reply I was a bit busy. you are misinforming the people cause you just need to go back to the MP thread you closed
and see that a MP user Bunit found out that Yahoo Bubbles did cut the client seed numbers by 50%. why would he do this after all games had correct client seed numbers but the last game = slider he added had a 50% cut?

and RHavar wrote that it is not Provably Fair

what can I deduce by investor profit? just check the high of investors profit and where it is now. I didnt say you did anything wrong so please dont twist my words again. I just said the facts that yahoo told his dev to do it cause he thought he has better chances to win. and then NotTardy came out of the blue to his app. why didnt NotTardy go to Bit Exo or BB or Jackpotracer dice?

btw you still owe us (players & investors) the answer how much did NotTardy deposit when he came to our Lottery? you know it and you dont tell us. my bet still stands that it was less than 2 BTC and BTC was not 1000$ at that time

Sorry i Need to step in and spam the Thread that have nothing to do with the voting. But i will make My Voting later.
There Are a lot other Apps out they "cheat" you(player) with Bad seeds the Most of the copy past ultility Script dice Apps dont allowed you to Chance your seed and a few from this Apps give you only seed "0", for me the worst seed ever!
To come back to the seed cuting. This was also a prob from betterbets for over a year that your seed Range was only 50% from the hole rang. You had only us a seed from 0-~245000000 and not to ~4947900000. This only to say. Havent follow the hole thread becouse i m tired about all this mp drama and App owners Fight against each other. This is one of the Main probs mp have atm. As Investors they follow all this blablabla i would not Investor there

[JackpotRacer]

Restricting the client seeds can only theoretically hurt the players, not benefit them. 

Hypothetically, A bad operator (it would be us [MP] in this case) could predict what seed the user would choose based on restrictions and use it against them by changing our own seed and gaining an edge. 

However, you can deduce by our investor profit, that we have not and never will do this.

Please do not try to misinform the people.

sorry for late reply I was a bit busy. you are misinforming the people cause you just need to go back to the MP thread you closed
and see that a MP user Bunit found out that Yahoo Bubbles did cut the client seed numbers by 50%. why would he do this after all games had correct client seed numbers but the last game = slider he added had a 50% cut?

and RHavar wrote that it is not Provably Fair

what can I deduce by investor profit? just check the high of investors profit and where it is now. I didnt say you did anything wrong so please dont twist my words again. I just said the facts that yahoo told his dev to do it cause he thought he has better chances to win. and then NotTardy came out of the blue to his app. why didnt NotTardy go to Bit Exo or BB or Jackpotracer dice?

btw you still owe us (players & investors) the answer how much did NotTardy deposit when he came to our Lottery? you know it and you dont tell us. my bet still stands that it was less than 2 BTC and BTC was not 1000$ at that time

Sorry i Need to step in and spam the Thread that have nothing to do with the voting. But i will make My Voting later.
There Are a lot other Apps out they "cheat" you(player) with Bad seeds the Most of the copy past ultility Script dice Apps dont allowed you to Chance your seed and a few from this Apps give you only seed "0", for me the worst seed ever!
To come back to the seed cuting. This was also a prob from betterbets for over a year that your seed Range was only 50% from the hole rang. You had only us a seed from 0-~245000000 and not to ~4947900000. This only to say. Havent follow the hole thread becouse i m tired about all this mp drama and App owners Fight against each other. This is one of the Main probs mp have atm. As Investors they follow all this blablabla i would not Investor there

hi

could you confirm that you found the seed bug at Bubbles when checking Nottardy's logged bets published by MP? it was very quick fixed by Bubbles dev and again it was done by purpose by yahoo cause he wanted to have a better chance to win and I call this cheating the investors and trying to steal from them and from us. anyway stupid thinking cause he alone had no better chance to win.

thx

[kohavn]

the percent of site that i voted is too low .

[JackpotRacer]

the percent of site that i voted is too low .

thx for your vote but what do you mean? did you read the main posting and understood what we are looking for?

[B_UN1T]

Restricting the client seeds can only theoretically hurt the players, not benefit them. 

Hypothetically, A bad operator (it would be us [MP] in this case) could predict what seed the user would choose based on restrictions and use it against them by changing our own seed and gaining an edge. 

However, you can deduce by our investor profit, that we have not and never will do this.

Please do not try to misinform the people.

sorry for late reply I was a bit busy. you are misinforming the people cause you just need to go back to the MP thread you closed
and see that a MP user Bunit found out that Yahoo Bubbles did cut the client seed numbers by 50%. why would he do this after all games had correct client seed numbers but the last game = slider he added had a 50% cut?

and RHavar wrote that it is not Provably Fair

what can I deduce by investor profit? just check the high of investors profit and where it is now. I didnt say you did anything wrong so please dont twist my words again. I just said the facts that yahoo told his dev to do it cause he thought he has better chances to win. and then NotTardy came out of the blue to his app. why didnt NotTardy go to Bit Exo or BB or Jackpotracer dice?

btw you still owe us (players & investors) the answer how much did NotTardy deposit when he came to our Lottery? you know it and you dont tell us. my bet still stands that it was less than 2 BTC and BTC was not 1000$ at that time

Sorry i Need to step in and spam the Thread that have nothing to do with the voting. But i will make My Voting later.
There Are a lot other Apps out they "cheat" you(player) with Bad seeds the Most of the copy past ultility Script dice Apps dont allowed you to Chance your seed and a few from this Apps give you only seed "0", for me the worst seed ever!
To come back to the seed cuting. This was also a prob from betterbets for over a year that your seed Range was only 50% from the hole rang. You had only us a seed from 0-~245000000 and not to ~4947900000. This only to say. Havent follow the hole thread becouse i m tired about all this mp drama and App owners Fight against each other. This is one of the Main probs mp have atm. As Investors they follow all this blablabla i would not Investor there

hi

could you confirm that you found the seed bug at Bubbles when checking Nottardy's logged bets published by MP? it was very quick fixed by Bubbles dev and again it was done by purpose by yahoo cause he wanted to have a better chance to win and I call this cheating the investors and trying to steal from them and from us. anyway stupid thinking cause he alone had no better chance to win.

thx

Can confirm this as request.
Took me 1-2 min to check the bet history to see there is something wrong with the client seed.

But i would not say yahoo want to cheat mp/investors. Check the stats and you will see .
If i remember correct notardy us randome seed (new seed for every bet) i was online during one betseason and i would say there was no time to hack the outcome with the speed he bet.



Back to the voting.
You ask about the populated apps 2016. Was dragon online since 2016 only to say

[JackpotRacer]

Restricting the client seeds can only theoretically hurt the players, not benefit them. 

Hypothetically, A bad operator (it would be us [MP] in this case) could predict what seed the user would choose based on restrictions and use it against them by changing our own seed and gaining an edge. 

However, you can deduce by our investor profit, that we have not and never will do this.

Please do not try to misinform the people.

sorry for late reply I was a bit busy. you are misinforming the people cause you just need to go back to the MP thread you closed
and see that a MP user Bunit found out that Yahoo Bubbles did cut the client seed numbers by 50%. why would he do this after all games had correct client seed numbers but the last game = slider he added had a 50% cut?

and RHavar wrote that it is not Provably Fair

what can I deduce by investor profit? just check the high of investors profit and where it is now. I didnt say you did anything wrong so please dont twist my words again. I just said the facts that yahoo told his dev to do it cause he thought he has better chances to win. and then NotTardy came out of the blue to his app. why didnt NotTardy go to Bit Exo or BB or Jackpotracer dice?

btw you still owe us (players & investors) the answer how much did NotTardy deposit when he came to our Lottery? you know it and you dont tell us. my bet still stands that it was less than 2 BTC and BTC was not 1000$ at that time

Sorry i Need to step in and spam the Thread that have nothing to do with the voting. But i will make My Voting later.
There Are a lot other Apps out they "cheat" you(player) with Bad seeds the Most of the copy past ultility Script dice Apps dont allowed you to Chance your seed and a few from this Apps give you only seed "0", for me the worst seed ever!
To come back to the seed cuting. This was also a prob from betterbets for over a year that your seed Range was only 50% from the hole rang. You had only us a seed from 0-~245000000 and not to ~4947900000. This only to say. Havent follow the hole thread becouse i m tired about all this mp drama and App owners Fight against each other. This is one of the Main probs mp have atm. As Investors they follow all this blablabla i would not Investor there

hi

could you confirm that you found the seed bug at Bubbles when checking Nottardy's logged bets published by MP? it was very quick fixed by Bubbles dev and again it was done by purpose by yahoo cause he wanted to have a better chance to win and I call this cheating the investors and trying to steal from them and from us. anyway stupid thinking cause he alone had no better chance to win.

thx

Can confirm this as request.
Took me 1-2 min to check the bet history to see there is something wrong with the client seed.

But i would not say yahoo want to cheat mp/investors. Check the stats and you will see .
If i remember correct notardy us randome seed (new seed for every bet) i was online during one betseason and i would say there was no time to hack the outcome with the speed he bet.



Back to the voting.
You ask about the populated apps 2016. Was dragon online since 2016 only to say

thx for confirming because I will never forget that you a player found it and not MP cause they were investigating and they could not find it? and you are saying it took you 2 minutes to see the problem hats off!

I say yes yahoo wanted to get an advantage with the short cut seeds and according to RHavar it was not provably fair. but you dont need to comment on it cause I dont want you to get in trouble with yahoo

good luck where ever you may put your coins

[nohnaj]

My vote is only for jackpotracer as number 1.

[JackpotRacer]

My vote is only for jackpotracer as number 1.

thx mate

but to be frank and fair the correct vote would be

1st Bit_Exo

2nd BetterBets

3rd Jackpotracer for 2016


good luck and please visit us as soon we are back

[JackpotRacer]

Restricting the client seeds can only theoretically hurt the players, not benefit them. 

Hypothetically, A bad operator (it would be us [MP] in this case) could predict what seed the user would choose based on restrictions and use it against them by changing our own seed and gaining an edge. 

However, you can deduce by our investor profit, that we have not and never will do this.

Please do not try to misinform the people.

sorry for late reply I was a bit busy. you are misinforming the people cause you just need to go back to the MP thread you closed
and see that a MP user Bunit found out that Yahoo Bubbles did cut the client seed numbers by 50%. why would he do this after all games had correct client seed numbers but the last game = slider he added had a 50% cut?

and RHavar wrote that it is not Provably Fair

what can I deduce by investor profit? just check the high of investors profit and where it is now. I didnt say you did anything wrong so please dont twist my words again. I just said the facts that yahoo told his dev to do it cause he thought he has better chances to win. and then NotTardy came out of the blue to his app. why didnt NotTardy go to Bit Exo or BB or Jackpotracer dice?

btw you still owe us (players & investors) the answer how much did NotTardy deposit when he came to our Lottery? you know it and you dont tell us. my bet still stands that it was less than 2 BTC and BTC was not 1000$ at that time

Please direct me to where I have misinformed people in my statement.

You are sidetracking from what was said.  I don't think you actually took the time to read what I said or try to understand what I'm saying.

By the way, the answers you claim I have not produced have been addressed in another thread which you ended up quoting.

Despite all this and the blatantly wrong and undeserved accusations you keep making on Yahoo, I wish you good luck in your new ventures (as I see that you have officially cut ties with us).

that you are taking side of yahoo who tried to cheat the investors shows that you are/were partner of yahoo or you are the clown that RHavar was coloring you. I have proof for this that yahoo was doing it by purpose cause he thought it will let him win some coins! this way of thinking adds him to the group of clowns or he partnered up with you and all investors were the clowns for you

yahoo was also asking you to shut down our app  I have proof also for this and you killed our app and again you sided with yahoo 
check the poll result and even some didnt understand the poll there are only 3 apps of 1000+ apps for 2016 who had some steady customers. you cant be proud of this!

deleting my postings in MP  thread will not bring you anything cause it shows you have something to hide

my questions are still not answered and I will open a thread for those questions and some more and you will have no choice but you will need to answer those.

[RHavar]

that you are taking side of yahoo who tried to cheat the investors shows that you are/were partner of yahoo or you are the clown that RHavar was coloring you. I have proof for this that yahoo was doing it by purpose cause he thought it will let him win some coins! this way of thinking adds him to the group of clowns or he partnered up with you and all investors were the clowns for you

Sorry to jump in, but I don't like to be misrepresented. AFAICT there was never a mistake on moneypot's part. It was a silly mistake by some of their apps, which rendered them non-provably-fair. When it was pointed out, it was fixed.  

Whether or not an app (properly) randomize their client seeds doesn't directly affect moneypot or it's investors. If it did, it would be trivial to cheat moneypot. Instead the client seed is to make the game provably fair for players.

Also FWIW investing is already not provably fair (as I assume, and hope all investors are aware). If there was a scheme to cheat them, it would be trivial and undetectable (and only manifest as players getting lucky). There would be no screwing around with the client seeds at all.


Edit:

Also don't confuse  "not provably fair" with "not fair". A game is very capable of being fair, but not provably so. Obviously provably fair is better than just fair. And "nonrepudiably fair" is better than provably fair. And trustless is even better than that.

[yahoo62278]

JPR is like to see this proof you have where i was trying to "cheat" the investors or the players. I had not even paid attention to the seeds not all being there til someone pointed it out. My dev immediately fixed it.

All you seem to wanna do since coming into Moneypot is be an asshole to everyone. How did that work out for you? You should take some of that money you got from your players and take a class on public relations. You def have none.

[JackpotRacer]

that you are taking side of yahoo who tried to cheat the investors shows that you are/were partner of yahoo or you are the clown that RHavar was coloring you. I have proof for this that yahoo was doing it by purpose cause he thought it will let him win some coins! this way of thinking adds him to the group of clowns or he partnered up with you and all investors were the clowns for you

Sorry to jump in, but I don't like to be misrepresented. AFAICT there was never a mistake on moneypot's part. It was a silly mistake by some of their apps, which rendered them non-provably-fair. When it was pointed out, it was fixed.  

Whether or not an app (properly) randomize their client seeds doesn't directly affect moneypot or it's investors. If it did, it would be trivial to cheat moneypot. Instead the client seed is to make the game provably fair for players.

Also FWIW investing is already not provably fair (as I assume, and hope all investors are aware). If there was a scheme to cheat them, it would be trivial and undetectable (and only manifest as players getting lucky). There would be no screwing around with the client seeds at all.


Edit:

Also don't confuse  "not provably fair" with "not fair". A game is very capable of being fair, but not provably so. Obviously provably fair is better than just fair. And "nonrepudiably fair" is better than provably fair. And trustless is even better than that.

I read this answer of yours
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1366689.msg16748318#msg16748318

and there you are saying that it is not provably fair!

I wrote in connection with your answer
but good luck for you on Bubbles and always check the seeds that there are not 50% missing cause yahoo likes to wager with 50% less seed numbers:) just see here and read on cause his Bubbles was not provably fair when he decided to leave out some amount of seed s

I didnt write that you said that MP did cheat or made a mistake. IMO I didnt misrepresented you

what I am saying is that yahoo let his dev code the short seeds by purpose (I have proof) cause he is stupid enough to think that this trick would help him to win. only this kind of thinking is telling me that he wanted to cheat MP investors cause they will lose if he wins. easy as that

I also wrote and I am saying that MP posted that they are investigating NotTardy's bets and they didnt find out that the seeds were manipulated or short coded!!!! how can one explain this? cause user BUNIT confirmed after I asked him here in thread

Can confirm this as request.
Took me 1-2 min to check the bet history to see there is something wrong with the client seed.

a MP player found it after 2 minutes looking over the wager logs and MP Head dev didnt find it after investigating much longer than this user.

that MP owner DD is taking side with a cheater doesnt look good at all imo because MP owner should try to protect their investors

It was a silly mistake by some of their apps, which rendered them non-provably-fair. When it was pointed out, it was fixed. 

we all know that you are not stupid and you are pre owner of MP and imo you handled the platform much more pro than the new owners

please explain to me how comes that an app dev was coding all games correct seed wise but the last game the seeds were coded short?
I would agree if it is their first game of their app then it could happen cause all is new to him but the last game after so many games huh? yahoo is beside NotTardy  his best customer and he didnt win on his app yet

or did I misrepresented you when I mentioned that you wrote in a posting that Dogedigital is behaving like a clown?

[JackpotRacer]

JPR is like to see this proof you have where i was trying to "cheat" the investors or the players. I had not even paid attention to the seeds not all being there til someone pointed it out. My dev immediately fixed it.

All you seem to wanna do since coming into Moneypot is be an asshole to everyone. How did that work out for you? You should take some of that money you got from your players and take a class on public relations. You def have none.

the asshole is you and you tried to cheat the investors by stupidly thinking that shorted seeds will give you the advantage. and yes I have the proof that you initiated it.

dont you remember when you told me that you need to go out of MP to earn some coins? that MP is not the place if you want to earn with your casino/pp?

lets see how much you will earn with Bubbles in the future as now Jackpotracer is out and gone 

[JackpotRacer]

Please for once, listen to my advice.  Move on,........................................

are you clown threatening me?

please confirm and lets dance

[gapjustin]

Please for once, listen to my advice.  Move on,........................................

are you clown threatening me?

please confirm and lets dance

wait wait wait
are you seriously trying to take something out of context and use that as an "argument" on why he's bad?
Seriously?

Let me first grab the Full quote of the sentence as you cut half of it away

Please for once, listen to my advice.  Move on, move past, and accomplish great things on your own. Good luck and Good day.

Suddenly sounds 100% not like a threat, doesn't it?

Let us enlarge it once again

There is no need to attack others.  I put all my focus, energy, and time into my OWN company.  I believe you should too.

Please for once, listen to my advice.  Move on, move past, and accomplish great things on your own. Good luck and Good day.

Basically he's asking you to drop this foolish conquest and do something useful.
How in the world could this ever be a threat?
Anyways my vote is: https://dicesites.com/moneypot < this

[JackpotRacer]

Please for once, listen to my advice.  Move on,........................................

are you clown threatening me?

please confirm and lets dance

wait wait wait
are you seriously trying to take something out of context and use that as an "argument" on why he's bad?
Seriously?

Let me first grab the Full quote of the sentence as you cut half of it away

Please for once, listen to my advice.  Move on, move past, and accomplish great things on your own. Good luck and Good day.

Suddenly sounds 100% not like a threat, doesn't it?

Let us enlarge it once again

There is no need to attack others.  I put all my focus, energy, and time into my OWN company.  I believe you should too.

Please for once, listen to my advice.  Move on, move past, and accomplish great things on your own. Good luck and Good day.

Basically he's asking you to drop this foolish conquest and do something useful.
How in the world could this ever be a threat?
Anyways my vote is: https://dicesites.com/moneypot < this

and another clown is joining in 

how old are you today? did you reach 17 already or still 16?

told you once to stay away from our games and all gambling sites as long you are under aged and you didnt listen 

you are a talented coder and should stick with it till you are 18 and then decide to gamble or not

how much did you earn with your apps and ponzi? MP even allowed your ponzi game and yahoo what an idiot was even playing your ponzi 

Moneypot need some talented coders but not coders who gamble

and now lets take the sentence again
Please for once, listen to my advice.  Move on, move past, and accomplish great things on your own. Good luck and Good day.

this sentence is  a threat imo as MP threatened us a lot and finally killed our app cause some investors (I dont believe it) and some app owners asked them to close our app and they killed our app. were you one of those owners? LEL

I dont need any advice from DD he needs to answer all questions from an investor to be transparent and he decided not to answer but to threaten me or giving me stupid advice

take your money you earned on MP and buy some sweets cause it will not be enough for more

STAY with CODING this is my Grand Pa advice

[iram3130]

Definitely BetterBets will be the most famous one with lots and lots of users pouring in and betting, but BubblesBit also a great app and populated most of the time.

[JackpotRacer]

Definitely BetterBets will be the most famous one with lots and lots of users pouring in and betting, but BubblesBit also a great app and populated most of the time.

LOL

Bubbles is great app cause nice designed but not populated that means you are just a brown nosed yahoo fan or/and dint read the reason of the Poll

BB was in 2016 definetely on 2nd rank and in 2017 again on 2nd rank cause Bit-Exo is and was on 1st rank if you like it or not and Jackpotracer was on 3rd rank and Bubbles was never seen as all other 1000+ apps never reached rank 4