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March 09, 2017, 05:45:55 PM
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Yes, but a Bitcoin transaction is secured by the miners whereas an LN transaction is not. Miners serve a purpose, and not only in relation to the security of an individual transaction.

It is said that Bitcoin is deliberately hard to change (as we are finding out).

If in the future the majority of transactions are LN transactions then we are all primarily LN users, not Bitcoin users, and we are at the whim of the LN developers who have complete control to change the protocol that everyone is using to suit themselves.

What's more, as explained here: http://news.8btc.com/be-firmly-and-openly-against-segewit-and-lightning there is a possibility that LN protocol may also work with other blockchains. At this point LN is not a second layer on top of Bitcoin, LN is the primary protocol and Bitcoin is one of a number of possible second layers on top of LN; This destroys scarcity, since any number of blockchains and coins can be used within the primary network that people are using, and therefore also destroys Bitcoin as a store of value.

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March 09, 2017, 06:05:08 PM
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They are an IOU to be settled later at best.

Again, you're deriding all microtransactions systems by saying that.


Of course it's like an IOU, duuhhhhhhhh. They just so happen to be cryptographically enforced IOUs Roll Eyes

If it is not in the blockchain, it's not a bitcoin transaction.

So how would you define +80,000 unconfirmed Bitcoin transaction backed up in larger mempools? "Not Bitcoins" presumably.


They aren't bitcoin transaction until they are in the blockchain.

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March 09, 2017, 06:34:23 PM
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They aren't bitcoin transaction until they are in the blockchain.

According to that logic, the whole blocksize debate is pointless, because none of the queued transactions are Bitcoins yet anyway lol



Alice, are you even capable of making genuine technical arguments, or will you just continue to use semantic tricks?

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March 09, 2017, 06:38:26 PM
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They aren't bitcoin transaction until they are in the blockchain.

According to that logic, the whole blocksize debate is pointless, because none of the queued transactions are Bitcoins yet anyway lol



Alice, are you even capable of making genuine technical arguments, or will you just continue to use semantic tricks?

According to that logic, if I've applied for a credit card then I must already have it.

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