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March 06, 2017, 08:35:27 PM
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Bitcoin is a currency and as any other currency it need to circle to stay alive and to be demanded. Storing bitcoins really can kill this currency very fast.
Bitcoin was invented to be form of currency, but it has many drawbacks and Satoshi knew that in its initial shape BTC is inferior to. already present at that time, centralized payment processors.
At least if we are talking about transaction capacity (limited by block size) per second and 10 minutes confirmation. Peerless and decentralized network is still brilliant invention.

The main problem of BTC today, is not even horrible fees, but lack of incentive to spend coins.
There is no bonus for spending coins, in fact, you are being punished for using Bitcoin, due to deflationary nature of BTC.
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March 06, 2017, 08:48:05 PM
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If everyone start storing bitcoin and there is no single transaction for days,all miners will quite mining as without transaction there would be no reward.
Will it not kill bitcoin and make it useless?

Absolutely not, hoarders are what give bitcoin its value,  bitcoin would have no value what so ever if everyone tried to give it away for other stuff.  This concept is hard to understand at first but Holding savings in bitcoin is vital to the network.  You should listen the youtube link i will post below, it explains it perfect.
 
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March 06, 2017, 08:57:58 PM
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If miners can continue mining no matter if there are any transactions then what's the difference between central banks and miners.
And most importantly why bitcoin was designed in a way that many of miners do the work but only 1 wins and the works of others goes to waste?

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March 06, 2017, 10:39:00 PM
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If miners can continue mining no matter if there are any transactions then what's the difference between central banks and miners.
And most importantly why bitcoin was designed in a way that many of miners do the work but only 1 wins and the works of others goes to waste?
I did not understand a little here. Do not all mining users make a profit? Of course to keep the blocks all the same It is necessary, but this is not the same as the central banks. Banks are primarily a control.
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March 06, 2017, 11:42:15 PM
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Definitely if all people are storing Bitcoin and no one is using it, then people will tend to forget about Bitcoin and start pulling out their demand.  Once there is no more demand for Bitcoin, then Bitcoin will definitely die.  But I bet people will sell it once the price starts to go down.
but i think storing bitcoin is not killing it, but increasing its price very much. if all the people will start storing bitcoin then the supply will decrease and the price of bitcoin will increase.
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March 06, 2017, 11:46:19 PM
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If miners can continue mining no matter if there are any transactions then what's the difference between central banks and miners.
And most importantly why bitcoin was designed in a way that many of miners do the work but only 1 wins and the works of others goes to waste?

The difference is that the number of bitcoins awarded to the (winning) miner is fixed. Central banks can print as much money as they want.
Central banks have power while miners are just a cog in the overall Bitcoin scheme.
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March 07, 2017, 12:05:49 AM
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If miners can continue mining no matter if there are any transactions then what's the difference between central banks and miners.
And most importantly why bitcoin was designed in a way that many of miners do the work but only 1 wins and the works of others goes to waste?
I did not understand a little here. Do not all mining users make a profit? Of course to keep the blocks all the same It is necessary, but this is not the same as the central banks. Banks are primarily a control.
My argue is about the printing(mining) the digital money, if there is no outside force(protocol) to pressure the rules into the system then that system is a central point of deciding whether or not to mine empty blocks and keep growing the chain(securing previous blocks only) or take the extra money users paying as fee, but if processing transactions has a risk of an invalid or an orphan block then it's in their best broader interest to ignore TXs because 1or 1.5BTC extra earned by fees is not worth to lose 12.5BTC.

I always thought that the transactions actually produce(introduce) the mathematical challenge to the miners but now I see that miners can keep mining even for years without a single TX being in mempool.

While no one else is going to process users TXs since there is no central bank to have it's branches to do that only miners can transfer the funds in a sense but if they have been given the option to refuse then only the honest miners wanting bitcoin to thrive and stay operational will include TXs to the maximum limit size of the block and hostile miners would keep mining empty blocks to hurt the network (from users perspective) and care nothing for the end users and only wants to take their share of the market.

There is no more 1 CPU 1 vote because there is no CPU to begin with.

For being on topic, dude wtf are you talking about? this is not the perfect world where the masses work together all with one mind and heart to stop doing transactions without exception just for testing sake. you can keep your coins but you should know that you'll never be able to convince every body else doing the same. fortunately bitcoin is not like paper money like if you burn cash it's gone for ever but with btc you will always have the coins in the system.

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March 07, 2017, 12:18:46 AM
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If everyone start storing bitcoin and there is no single transaction for days,all miners will quite mining as without transaction there would be no reward.
Will it not kill bitcoin and make it useless?
This is an unreasonable question. But all of your points is aiming at the critical part of the bitcoin. and do you think the bitcoin die or not? All of the critical parts of bitcoin will be useless, no miners and none act to securing the bitcoin network.

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March 07, 2017, 12:35:15 AM
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If there is no transaction happened in bitcoin for a day or week so i think that will not affect bitcoins price at all.Bitcoins price is based on users trading it if there is no transaction that will happen there will be no price changes and bitcoin price will remain as is for the time that there is no transactions that happening in blockchain or trading platforms
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March 07, 2017, 12:51:24 AM
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If everyone start storing bitcoin and there is no single transaction for days,all miners will quite mining as without transaction there would be no reward.
Will it not kill bitcoin and make it useless?

Hey mate, this is just a big theory and it is so impossible to happen havibg zero transaction in days, because first and for most bitcoin has a big and huge volume of users, and many transaction were made every seconds in bitcoin industry.
and If so I guess bitcoin will not be killed or dead because people just hold it and even the price it will stock in its value. But then big whales will not let that thing happen, trading will continue no matter what. But also the chance of rising value is there because for sure the demand will rise because holders hold their coins.

and one more thing is if there is no transaction in bitcoin I guess all bitcoins hold by one holder then there is no one can he or she trade on. But let that thibg not happen, crypto world will going to be boring if so.
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March 07, 2017, 12:59:21 AM
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If everyone start storing bitcoin and there is no single transaction for days,all miners will quite mining as without transaction there would be no reward.
Will it not kill bitcoin and make it useless?

If everyone just stored all of their Bitcoins, then it could kill it. If no one uses it for anything, then there would be no value in Bitcoin as a method for merchants to accept it as payment or for customers to use it for purchases. And it wouldn't have value to transfer funds from person to person. I think we need those to keep it relevant. Luckily it is used on websites for purchases, gambling, and trading, so I think it will survive.
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March 07, 2017, 02:15:27 AM
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If everyone start storing bitcoin and there is no single transaction for days,all miners will quite mining as without transaction there would be no reward.
Will it not kill bitcoin and make it useless?

If everyone just stored all of their Bitcoins, then it could kill it. If no one uses it for anything, then there would be no value in Bitcoin as a method for merchants to accept it as payment or for customers to use it for purchases. And it wouldn't have value to transfer funds from person to person. I think we need those to keep it relevant. Luckily it is used on websites for purchases, gambling, and trading, so I think it will survive.

The loss of demand is why Bitcoin should not be treated as a commodity, just sitting there as a store of value, but instead as a currency for daily transactions. If it isn't being used, people can just use other cryptocurrencies, and those marketcaps will increase instead.
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March 07, 2017, 02:19:47 AM
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If everyone start storing bitcoin and there is no single transaction for days,all miners will quite mining as without transaction there would be no reward.
Will it not kill bitcoin and make it useless?

Okay, let's assume that there is that "zero" transaction. Then the supply will be lesser that will make the demand higher. But in reality, this is a very impossible thing to happen. And miners will always be there, as a matter of fact there is no bitcoin user that isn't holding. Most of us have some bitcoins that are keeping, so it won't kill bitcoin.
If you have just read the op's sentence he does say that all bitcoin users are holding its bitcoin and dont intend to make any transactions between among other users which means theres no activity.Supply is there but the demand is nothing then value would lessens or zero at all.

No, the supply isn't there. Since all of us will hold, there's no movement and supply in the market. And we know on how the law of supply and demand goes on. But it's hard to think that there would be zero transaction for real and I guess the miners will not actually depend on the block rewards and confirmation of the transactions. 

Only storing bitcoins will definitely has bad effects but this is something which is unrealistic. It cannot happen that all the trasncatiosns are stopped and there is no movement on blockchain making it impossible for miners to earn  Grin

We are just assuming only "IF" and most of us knows what will happen if most of us are going to hold. But still I'm looking into to two points, good and bad. Good just like the way I explained it and bad with the way that will kill bitcoin because of there is no zero progress but if there are people that are keep on looking for it bitcoin won't be drop dead easily.



 

 

 

 

 

 


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March 07, 2017, 02:25:05 AM
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Storing of valuable assets is a form of saving for a better tomorrow. This means storing of bitcoin too is gonna benefit the user and not gonna kill it.

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March 07, 2017, 02:30:02 AM
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Killing it? I think NO even if you consider it as hoarding. It can not kill it because there are still altcoins cryptocurrencies to used as an alternative. Storing it will only rise the bitcoin price, because it lessen the supply circulating on the net.
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March 07, 2017, 03:06:29 AM
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It is impossible to have no transactions, bitcoin is already using globally. Yeah we stored coins but there is no effect like killing it, BTC is circulated through buy and sell, trading and investments. So there is no reason to say that bitcoin is useless.

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March 07, 2017, 03:24:34 AM
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If everyone start storing bitcoin and there is no single transaction for days,all miners will quite mining as without transaction there would be no reward.
Will it not kill bitcoin and make it useless?

Absolutely not, hoarders are what give bitcoin its value,  bitcoin would have no value what so ever if everyone tried to give it away for other stuff.  This concept is hard to understand at first but Holding savings in bitcoin is vital to the network.  You should listen the youtube link i will post below, it explains it perfect.
 
https://youtu.be/e1eKHXdlx2Y?list=FL_1xDQgnywzy4JeHeRy1eKA

Roger ver pushes the whole bitcoin should be spent thing and then on the other hand admits that hodlers give bitcoin value  Undecided

It is true if the person hoarding Bitcoin purpose is to increase the price.  But, if all owner store Bitcoin (not spending it even once) will posibly make the price increase for a while but since the idea is not spending it, then this demand will  get tired and be pulled out to use for another / other market.  From here, Bitcoin price will decrease until the time that Bitcoin demand will be gone making its value to become worthless.  (Though it would be impossible to not sell if we see  Bitcoin price is very expensive.)

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March 07, 2017, 04:03:17 AM
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If everyone start storing bitcoin and there is no single transaction for days,all miners will quite mining as without transaction there would be no reward.
Will it not kill bitcoin and make it useless?
There is always a reward for mining a block, regardless of whether or not there are transactions actually inside of it. Hypothetically something like this would end up just resulting in the market value going down since there would be a lack of people moving Bitcoin on exchanges, but a lack of transactions would certainly not kill it. As long as there is money moving, people will still care.
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Yes theoretically it is true, when nobody spending bitcoin then bitcoin will lose it values and then reach the bottom and become no value, but it is very difficult to ask everyone in this world to save bitcoin and never spend it, so if nobody spend it then bitcoin will doom but the chance that to happened is almost near to 0%
I don't think this is accurate just look at gold no one is spending gold, and yet the price of gold is high, I know it used to be higher but you get my point, if demand is high and no one is selling the price can only go up.

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Bitcoin's going strong now, the value is soaring and awareness is spreading but the cryptocurrency's seem a little confused about what Bitcoin really is. And If all users store it, I dont think bitcoin will valueless. Its still going up because of its adoption everyday and people will still use bitcoin...

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