Sweden returns a call to the army in connection with the threat from Russia

[Sithara007]

Sweden is already broke from the 70% tax rate. Now they are going to increase their military spending without any reason and it will create a sharp spike in their federal debt. If Russia actually want to invade Sweden, then no matter what the Swedes do, the Russians will complete the invasion in a day or two. The Swedish army consisting of emasculated android males is no match for the 2 million strong Russian army.

Once again convinced that the Russian never learn from their mistakes. Did you forget how hard you fought in 1940, you were at war with Finland? In Sweden you will be the same. Putin and the Russians are all crazy. They need to organize a global boycott.

Sweden of 2017 is different from the Sweden of 1940. Historically, the Scandinavians were famous for their courage and valor. But this is no longer the case, as the Scandinavian males have been feminized and emasculated by the radical feminist propaganda.

[gabmen]

Well i don't think there's anything wrong with thinking about security. These times would basically require any nation to have a standing army, not necessarily to prepare for war but for the country's security. You can't just depend on other countries to defend you if in case something unwanted happens

[Lancusters]

Sweden is already broke from the 70% tax rate. Now they are going to increase their military spending without any reason and it will create a sharp spike in their federal debt. If Russia actually want to invade Sweden, then no matter what the Swedes do, the Russians will complete the invasion in a day or two. The Swedish army consisting of emasculated android males is no match for the 2 million strong Russian army.

Once again convinced that the Russian never learn from their mistakes. Did you forget how hard you fought in 1940, you were at war with Finland? In Sweden you will be the same. Putin and the Russians are all crazy. They need to organize a global boycott.

Sweden of 2017 is different from the Sweden of 1940. Historically, the Scandinavians were famous for their courage and valor. But this is no longer the case, as the Scandinavian males have been feminized and emasculated by the radical feminist propaganda.

Really the smaller the country is at war, the weaker its army. However, the mentality of the Swedish people makes it very fast to restore the combat capability of the army. I think the Swedes will go the way of Switzerland.

[Mometaskers]

1. By that same token we can also call taxes economic slavery. They take our money yet we don't really have much of a say on how they actually spend it. Use mah money to feed those freeloaders? How dare they! Should we refuse to pay our taxes?

Taxes presumed to be spent for public benefit (however in many countries corrupt government officers steal large part of taxes, so people try to evade them by all means). I know that Swedes are happy to pay high taxes because in exchange they get excellent infrastructure, free education and healthcare, public housing etc. Welfare keeps unlucky people feed, so they don't steal, rob, burn cars. See it as a payment for your security.

I was thinking more in the line of a defensive war. I don't see anything wrong in spending a few months a year in a military camp training to fight off invaders. When they do come in, it wouldn't really matter whether you like your government or not.

What if some people don't want to defend government and political system he opposes?! If forced to serve in army, he can sabotage and fight against own forces. A lot of examples during WWII.

Fighting for the invader is just plain treachery. I'd understand if you don't wan't to do to certain things for the government. Heck, there are always people who do and if you live in a democracy there's plenty of ways to make your displeasure known. Going turncoat is an extreme way though. I'd never help foreigners invade my country, unless the current government is also a foreign power, in which case I'd just see treason as a change of colonial master.

[Maximilian_333]

1. By that same token we can also call taxes economic slavery. They take our money yet we don't really have much of a say on how they actually spend it. Use mah money to feed those freeloaders? How dare they! Should we refuse to pay our taxes?

Taxes presumed to be spent for public benefit (however in many countries corrupt government officers steal large part of taxes, so people try to evade them by all means). I know that Swedes are happy to pay high taxes because in exchange they get excellent infrastructure, free education and healthcare, public housing etc. Welfare keeps unlucky people feed, so they don't steal, rob, burn cars. See it as a payment for your security.

I was thinking more in the line of a defensive war. I don't see anything wrong in spending a few months a year in a military camp training to fight off invaders. When they do come in, it wouldn't really matter whether you like your government or not.

What if some people don't want to defend government and political system he opposes?! If forced to serve in army, he can sabotage and fight against own forces. A lot of examples during WWII.

Fighting for the invader is just plain treachery. I'd understand if you don't wan't to do to certain things for the government. Heck, there are always people who do and if you live in a democracy there's plenty of ways to make your displeasure known. Going turncoat is an extreme way though. I'd never help foreigners invade my country, unless the current government is also a foreign power, in which case I'd just see treason as a change of colonial master.

Unfortunately until in the country will not start a real war you can not know how many potential defectors in your country. Believe me they are not so little. Remember the example of how to meet the French of Hitler.

[giantdragon]

Defectors are much more dangerous than the enemy. Friendly fire with a single ICBM can cause greatly more damage than 1 million of enemy soldiers.
It is statistically proven that number of defectors is many times more among conscripts versus professionals.

[Lucius]

Considering the military and political situation in the region decisions such as this did not surprise me.Every country that relies on the fact that  someone else will defend its borders in case of war for me is a stupid country.We all know what is happening in war and how weak and poorly defended countries finish at the end.

Every country should have mandatory military service,but many stop with that practice just to save some money or they live in the hope that there will not be more wars in future.

[Lancusters]

Considering the military and political situation in the region decisions such as this did not surprise me.Every country that relies on the fact that  someone else will defend its borders in case of war for me is a stupid country.We all know what is happening in war and how weak and poorly defended countries finish at the end.

Every country should have mandatory military service,but many stop with that practice just to save some money or they live in the hope that there will not be more wars in future.

The world had long been involved in global wars. All governments have relaxed and paid great attention to economic growth. It was saved on the army. For this reason now a lot of countries vulnerable to the aggressor. Russian forced to think about it half of the world.

[Okurkabinladin]

IMHO it should be mandatory in any country. It's a small price to pay for living in said country. It's not like they'll send you to a war zone, you are just being prepared to defend your homeland against threats, be they external or home-grown. I think the best way to make this more palatable to people is to highlight that their forefathers have fought for their country before and you can view this as a tribute to their heroism.

Conscription isn't half bad. A lot of youngsters have been born and raised in liberty and some of them seem to have difficulties respecting other raised in the same sphere.

And I guess if you feel threatened by a neighbouring nation, why not?

Russia and Sweden never shared land border in the past hundred years  

I think it is obvious that this is all ruse to somehow get out tens of thousands of immigrant Africans and Arabs out of their ghettos and force them to socialize and learn discipline. I doubt it will be very effective as modern armed forces are not very effective at stomping out extremism or tribal mentality. They will learn how to use guns properly, though.

Then that's more reason to not allow them anywhere near guns.   I believe some countries (Israel for example) make exemptions based on religious beliefs and other things (parenthood, criminal record, etc). There is one notable exemption though - Singapore. They routinely imprison Jehova's Witnesses for refusing the draft. If Sweden ever get a right-wing, anti-immigration gov't, they'll probably love the idea.

Hello,

in fact similar policy was in place by Ottoman Empire (aka proto Turkey). By law only muslims could bear arms. The result of protracted warfare was depleted numbers of fighting age muslim men in face of growing minorities. And unrest. In fact, it is one of major reasons why Ottomans collapsed at the turn of 20th century. There simply lacked numbers of (loyal) men to keep non-muslim (almost majority) in line.

Similar problems plagued old Sparta and later also Roman Empire. So, no, keeping different castes of infighting cannot be archieved by preferential treatment. Now, getting rid of caste XY under your roof altogether might do the deal.

[Okurkabinladin]

Considering the military and political situation in the region decisions such as this did not surprise me.Every country that relies on the fact that  someone else will defend its borders in case of war for me is a stupid country.We all know what is happening in war and how weak and poorly defended countries finish at the end.

Every country should have mandatory military service,but many stop with that practice just to save some money or they live in the hope that there will not be more wars in future.

The world had long been involved in global wars. All governments have relaxed and paid great attention to economic growth. It was saved on the army. For this reason now a lot of countries vulnerable to the aggressor. Russian forced to think about it half of the world.

Nice exposition. Now, could you tell me one reason why shouldnt Arab and Somali youth from swedish ghettoes immideately desert or join Chechen muslims (aka Russia) in case of war? One reason.

Because you wont find it. This precariat but quite tribal population holds exactly no loyalty to its host country.

[GreenBits]

Although I hate to see any kind of draft, one of the duties of living in a place is being prepared to defend it against foreign aggression. With that being said, I find it highly unlikely that Sweden will actually go to war with Russia, so the worse that will come of this is that alot of young adults will get a salary, a free resume builder, and discipline. The armed forces aren't for me, but they do build character and discipline. I'm for anything that builds a better person. And soldiers put their lives on the line for defense of home, which I have the utmost respect for.

Why do you think that the Swedes will go to war with Russia? The Swedes want to be able to protect themselves from the Russians. Russian strain of the whole world. These aggressive orcs threaten everyone.

I don't think you read me loud and clear. I didn't say Swedes wanted war, I agree that beyond the shadow of a doubt Sweden does not want to be occupied by Russia. That's a given, there are parts of Russia that don't even want to chill with Russia.

I said the youngins will get some benefit from the discipline that the military provides. And, some pocket change, and a nice resume.

[giantdragon]

Now, could you tell me one reason why shouldnt Arab and Somali youth from swedish ghettoes immideately desert or join Chechen muslims (aka Russia) in case of war? One reason.

If Russia will promise them good financial reward, free house and citizenship, while Sweden pays them only pocket change, I think 99% of conscripts will defect in favor of Russia.

and a nice resume.

People who want to build a military career already can voluntarily join Swedish army.

[Lancusters]

Now, could you tell me one reason why shouldnt Arab and Somali youth from swedish ghettoes immideately desert or join Chechen muslims (aka Russia) in case of war? One reason.

If Russia will promise them good financial reward, free house and citizenship, while Sweden pays them only pocket change, I think 99% of conscripts will defect in favor of Russia.

and a nice resume.

People who want to build a military career already can voluntarily join Swedish army.

The paradox of course, but if the army is not fighting she loses her professionalism a war if the government becomes the aggressor and this army has no prestige.

[Sithara007]

Hello,

in fact similar policy was in place by Ottoman Empire (aka proto Turkey). By law only muslims could bear arms. The result of protracted warfare was depleted numbers of fighting age muslim men in face of growing minorities. And unrest. In fact, it is one of major reasons why Ottomans collapsed at the turn of 20th century. There simply lacked numbers of (loyal) men to keep non-muslim (almost majority) in line.

That is factually incorrect. The Ottomans stole large numbers of young people from the Christian ethnic groups (Slavs, Greeks, Armenians, Assyrians.etc). Most of the males were forced to join the Janissary corps (which acted as cannon fodder during the wars) after forced conversion to Islam. The females and some of the males were relegated to the status of sex slaves, and shipped off to the harems in Anatolia.

[Mometaskers]

Hello,

in fact similar policy was in place by Ottoman Empire (aka proto Turkey). By law only muslims could bear arms. The result of protracted warfare was depleted numbers of fighting age muslim men in face of growing minorities. And unrest. In fact, it is one of major reasons why Ottomans collapsed at the turn of 20th century. There simply lacked numbers of (loyal) men to keep non-muslim (almost majority) in line.

That is factually incorrect. The Ottomans stole large numbers of young people from the Christian ethnic groups (Slavs, Greeks, Armenians, Assyrians.etc). Most of the males were forced to join the Janissary corps (which acted as cannon fodder during the wars) after forced conversion to Islam. The females and some of the males were relegated to the status of sex slaves, and shipped off to the harems in Anatolia.

Ah, I loved those quick-healing Jannisaries.

1. By that same token we can also call taxes economic slavery. They take our money yet we don't really have much of a say on how they actually spend it. Use mah money to feed those freeloaders? How dare they! Should we refuse to pay our taxes?

Taxes presumed to be spent for public benefit (however in many countries corrupt government officers steal large part of taxes, so people try to evade them by all means). I know that Swedes are happy to pay high taxes because in exchange they get excellent infrastructure, free education and healthcare, public housing etc. Welfare keeps unlucky people feed, so they don't steal, rob, burn cars. See it as a payment for your security.

I was thinking more in the line of a defensive war. I don't see anything wrong in spending a few months a year in a military camp training to fight off invaders. When they do come in, it wouldn't really matter whether you like your government or not.

What if some people don't want to defend government and political system he opposes?! If forced to serve in army, he can sabotage and fight against own forces. A lot of examples during WWII.

Fighting for the invader is just plain treachery. I'd understand if you don't wan't to do to certain things for the government. Heck, there are always people who do and if you live in a democracy there's plenty of ways to make your displeasure known. Going turncoat is an extreme way though. I'd never help foreigners invade my country, unless the current government is also a foreign power, in which case I'd just see treason as a change of colonial master.

Unfortunately until in the country will not start a real war you can not know how many potential defectors in your country. Believe me they are not so little. Remember the example of how to meet the French of Hitler.

Freakin parasites only out to save their skins. Yeah, impossible to get rid of these. Hopefully these people who are likely to switch sides can be spotted during the training program and tagged as such. Better not give them any important tasks. Sure some will escape that net (good actors) but hopefully that should reduce the damage that they'd cause.

[Casanova18]

Hello,

in fact similar policy was in place by Ottoman Empire (aka proto Turkey). By law only muslims could bear arms. The result of protracted warfare was depleted numbers of fighting age muslim men in face of growing minorities. And unrest. In fact, it is one of major reasons why Ottomans collapsed at the turn of 20th century. There simply lacked numbers of (loyal) men to keep non-muslim (almost majority) in line.

That is factually incorrect. The Ottomans stole large numbers of young people from the Christian ethnic groups (Slavs, Greeks, Armenians, Assyrians.etc). Most of the males were forced to join the Janissary corps (which acted as cannon fodder during the wars) after forced conversion to Islam. The females and some of the males were relegated to the status of sex slaves, and shipped off to the harems in Anatolia.

Ah, I loved those quick-healing Jannisaries.

1. By that same token we can also call taxes economic slavery. They take our money yet we don't really have much of a say on how they actually spend it. Use mah money to feed those freeloaders? How dare they! Should we refuse to pay our taxes?

Taxes presumed to be spent for public benefit (however in many countries corrupt government officers steal large part of taxes, so people try to evade them by all means). I know that Swedes are happy to pay high taxes because in exchange they get excellent infrastructure, free education and healthcare, public housing etc. Welfare keeps unlucky people feed, so they don't steal, rob, burn cars. See it as a payment for your security.

I was thinking more in the line of a defensive war. I don't see anything wrong in spending a few months a year in a military camp training to fight off invaders. When they do come in, it wouldn't really matter whether you like your government or not.

What if some people don't want to defend government and political system he opposes?! If forced to serve in army, he can sabotage and fight against own forces. A lot of examples during WWII.

Fighting for the invader is just plain treachery. I'd understand if you don't wan't to do to certain things for the government. Heck, there are always people who do and if you live in a democracy there's plenty of ways to make your displeasure known. Going turncoat is an extreme way though. I'd never help foreigners invade my country, unless the current government is also a foreign power, in which case I'd just see treason as a change of colonial master.

Unfortunately until in the country will not start a real war you can not know how many potential defectors in your country. Believe me they are not so little. Remember the example of how to meet the French of Hitler.

Freakin parasites only out to save their skins. Yeah, impossible to get rid of these. Hopefully these people who are likely to switch sides can be spotted during the training program and tagged as such. Better not give them any important tasks. Sure some will escape that net (good actors) but hopefully that should reduce the damage that they'd cause.

Nothing causes such damage as a betrayal. Your people always know our most vulnerable places and gladly turn them over to the enemy. It's terrible, but there is no protection from this.

[giantdragon]

Nothing causes such damage as a betrayal. Your people always know our most vulnerable places and gladly turn them over to the enemy. It's terrible, but there is no protection from this.

There is a protection against betrayal and defection! Pay your soldiers good salary and promise them generous Google-like benefits (free gourmet food, health insurance, pension, free education etc), so they will be motivated to fight bravely and defend country. Soldiers must to understand that if own army loses, they will also lose all promised benefits.

[StefanReed]

Nothing causes such damage as a betrayal. Your people always know our most vulnerable places and gladly turn them over to the enemy. It's terrible, but there is no protection from this.

There is a protection against betrayal and defection! Pay your soldiers good salary and promise them generous Google-like benefits (free gourmet food, health insurance, pension, free education etc), so they will be motivated to fight bravely and defend country. Soldiers must to understand that if own army loses, they will also lose all promised benefits.

The army should keep the enemy on the border of the state up to the full mobilization of the civilian population. The bulk of the traitors among civilians. An army cannot fight without the support of the rear.

[Okurkabinladin]

Hello,

in fact similar policy was in place by Ottoman Empire (aka proto Turkey). By law only muslims could bear arms. The result of protracted warfare was depleted numbers of fighting age muslim men in face of growing minorities. And unrest. In fact, it is one of major reasons why Ottomans collapsed at the turn of 20th century. There simply lacked numbers of (loyal) men to keep non-muslim (almost majority) in line.

That is factually incorrect. The Ottomans stole large numbers of young people from the Christian ethnic groups (Slavs, Greeks, Armenians, Assyrians.etc). Most of the males were forced to join the Janissary corps (which acted as cannon fodder during the wars) after forced conversion to Islam. The females and some of the males were relegated to the status of sex slaves, and shipped off to the harems in Anatolia.

Good point, sir. BUT that is different time period   jannisaries were thing of medieval times, when empire was still growing. In similar way Romans used defeated tribes as auxilliaries to boost and diversify its own (primarily heavy infantry) force.

By the time of late 19th century, jannissaries actually turned into sort of corrupt military aristocracy (mirroring earlier develepments in pretorian guard of Rome) and had to be disbanded by force in favour of modern conscript army. Yet, that new conscript army, even though more effective than ancient medieval one, had to rely on patriotic people of the country. Which is next to impossible in multicultural society which is at war with itself.

In every engagement there after, bulk of casaulties was taken by sunni muslim Turk/Azeri and Kurdish troops, while people of Greek, Armenian etc. descent were ignored for doubts about their loyalty. Turning demographic tide against majority population piece by piece.

You could say, that diverse society is good servant, but bad master.

EDIT: Look here at "disbandment". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janissaries

[Okurkabinladin]

Nothing causes such damage as a betrayal. Your people always know our most vulnerable places and gladly turn them over to the enemy. It's terrible, but there is no protection from this.

There is a protection against betrayal and defection! Pay your soldiers good salary and promise them generous Google-like benefits (free gourmet food, health insurance, pension, free education etc), so they will be motivated to fight bravely and defend country. Soldiers must to understand that if own army loses, they will also lose all promised benefits.

You know what? World is large and wide and not everybody will fight and kill for green paper and extra week of vacation. Men are by nature quite tribal. And proud.

Since we are talking Sweden, I have my doubts, that state spending vast majority of its budget on welfare and transgender propaganda will offer that kind of paycheck to hot blooded men, who have tribal and religious links to potential enemies of state.

Afterall we did not manage to bribe Russia into cooperation and Turkey keeps rising the stakes, despite "benefits" they could have if they stayed in line. So you are not able to bribe your enemies, you formed society which scoffs at patriotism and now, you are dependant on mercenaries, who will only fight as far as paycheck is concerned. Exactly like late Roman Empire.