Trumps Travel Ban? (Round 2)

[squatz1]

Trump just put forward his executive action on the Travel Ban, and as we all know the first one faced legal blockade from the 9th circuit of Appeals. Instead of Trump going forward and making an appeal up to the supreme court (Without a clear majority) he went forward and changed a couple things on the executive action and put a new one in order.

Jeffrey Toobin, one of CNN's senior legal analysts and contributors feels that the 2nd time's a charm for Trumps executive action, and I will have to agree with the Very Fake News organization for one of the first times in my life.

What do y'all think of the fate of the Travel Ban?


Link to article - http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/06/opinions/trump-travel-ban-toobin/index.html

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[GreenBits]

Well, I think it's the same shit on a different day. We still aren't targeting the countries that actually produce terrorist (the US and Saudi Arabia. I shit you not. When I found out we actually produced roughly half of the guys we pop for terrorism, I shit a brick). I feel this is the case because Trump has financial interests that he does not want to piss off. It targets people for religion still, with prettier words. Since we founded the country in the pursuit of religious freedom, I think it's bullshit. I know alot of you hate Muslims (despite the fact that most of us don't even know one), but if you want to paint all followers of Islam with the same brush, then do so. Don't treat the ones you like different just because you make money with them. Be an asshole unilaterally, I say.

Compare Snopes (we can all agree this is an  unbiased source):
http://www.snopes.com/2017/02/14/countries-terrorists-come/

With this (more statistics specifically on Americans that engage in terror):
https://www.newamerica.org/in-depth/terrorism-in-america/who-are-terrorists/

The second source is seeming non partisan, you can check the credentials of each of the researchers on the bottom of the page (everyone is pretty experienced, and you can't really lie about this, it's a matter of public record that is easily fact checked.)

So why are we focusing on those particular countries, that don't have Trump towers, when the countries that are the problem (and have Trump Towers) are ignored? The numbers don't lie.

[Spendulus]

Trump just put forward his executive action on the Travel Ban, and as we all know the first one faced legal blockade from the 9th circuit of Appeals.

....he went forward and changed a couple things on the executive action and put a new one in order....

An efficient way to get the job done don't you think?

[Barrymore]

Trump just put forward his executive action on the Travel Ban, and as we all know the first one faced legal blockade from the 9th circuit of Appeals.

....he went forward and changed a couple things on the executive action and put a new one in order....

An efficient way to get the job done don't you think?

Anyone who wants to find a job that's looking for her, and those who do not want to work he is looking for reasons why he can't find work.

[Spendulus]

Trump just put forward his executive action on the Travel Ban, and as we all know the first one faced legal blockade from the 9th circuit of Appeals.

....he went forward and changed a couple things on the executive action and put a new one in order....

An efficient way to get the job done don't you think?

He missed Saudi Arabia.  That country's religious ideology is the root cause of all the ISIS like behaviours.

From where I stand, he is not doing his job.  If the objective is to fight terrorism, he should start with Saudi Arabia.

That is where the terrorist ideas and money originates.

I don't disagree with that.   I know what our status was under Obama / Hillary re Saudi.  Obama bowed to the Saudi king, and Hillary would have followed their every suggestion regarding the US making war in the Middle East.

I do not know what Trump's stand on Saudi Arabia is.

[Cherry Girl]

Trump just put forward his executive action on the Travel Ban, and as we all know the first one faced legal blockade from the 9th circuit of Appeals.

....he went forward and changed a couple things on the executive action and put a new one in order....

An efficient way to get the job done don't you think?

He missed Saudi Arabia.  That country's religious ideology is the root cause of all the ISIS like behaviours.

From where I stand, he is not doing his job.  If the objective is to fight terrorism, he should start with Saudi Arabia.

That is where the terrorist ideas and money originates.

I don't disagree with that.   I know what our status was under Obama / Hillary re Saudi.  Obama bowed to the Saudi king, and Hillary would have followed their every suggestion regarding the US making war in the Middle East.

I do not know what Trump's stand on Saudi Arabia is.

The Trump administration announced the maximum transition to the US to use its own energy resources and to rid the country of dependence in foreign-made oil. And this means that Saudi Arabia will suffer unequivocally.

[Spendulus]

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I don't disagree with that.   I know what our status was under Obama / Hillary re Saudi.  Obama bowed to the Saudi king, and Hillary would have followed their every suggestion regarding the US making war in the Middle East.

I do not know what Trump's stand on Saudi Arabia is.

The Trump administration announced the maximum transition to the US to use its own energy resources and to rid the country of dependence in foreign-made oil. And this means that Saudi Arabia will suffer unequivocally.

I always have suspected that behind the push for things like "green energy," meaning windmills, solar and such, there was ....
...the Saudis....

Because they know that striving for the fantasy of green energy will in the real world, keep a country dependent on Saudi oil.

Similarly, I have suspected that behind the long-standing anti-nuclear power factions in the USA there was Saudi funding.

That's all coming to a screeching halt.  It would seem.

[tetrisbattle2]

Firstly really feel pity to those muslim country
Its good to banned those country for prevention but really need to care about other muslim country maybe they are good but also being banned

[RJX]

The saudis role in global oil market is becoming less and less important because their oilfields have been spitting out watery oil for a while now. When the well dries up, they will disappear.

[Lancusters]

The saudis role in global oil market is becoming less and less important because their oilfields have been spitting out watery oil for a while now. When the well dries up, they will disappear.

First, it is important to understand whether the work agreed in November restrictions on the volume of production, and whether the current regime to continue until July, as originally planned. It should be noted that the price of Brent crude oil stabilized in the range of 54-56 per barrel for a long time and do not leave it outside. This is approximately 15% higher than before the November agreement, but still more than 50% below the highs of three years ago. So, will oil go up or we have already reached the ceiling price?

Let's start with the facts. Three things are obvious: By and large scheduled reduction target has been achieved, but the figures vary greatly from country to country. Three producers - Algeria, Venezuela and Iraq - have not reduced production, or reduced less than promised. Outside OPEC, the map confused Russia. The country seems to be reduced production, however, according to the latest reports, the total volume of production and exports of Urals crude oil increased. The other parties to the agreement adhere to quotas, and Saudi Arabia even exceeded the plan, reducing production to less than 9.8 million barrels per day (almost 300 thousand barrels below the agreed value). If not for the Saudis, OPEC has not fulfilled the plan.

[olushakes]

Trump just put forward his executive action on the Travel Ban, and as we all know the first one faced legal blockade from the 9th circuit of Appeals. Instead of Trump going forward and making an appeal up to the supreme court (Without a clear majority) he went forward and changed a couple things on the executive action and put a new one in order.

Jeffrey Toobin, one of CNN's senior legal analysts and contributors feels that the 2nd time's a charm for Trumps executive action, and I will have to agree with the Very Fake News organization for one of the first times in my life.

What do y'all think of the fate of the Travel Ban?


Link to article - http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/06/opinions/trump-travel-ban-toobin/index.html

I guess Trump has learned his lessons that you dont call bluff of the same system you rode to power and the moment you have power you become untouchable no it does not work that way. Even if the court had allowed it public opinion will not allow it pass and what that means is that the presidency has ended even before it began. The new one I guess will have been thoroughly looked into and considered the constitution matters sited in the one thrown into the trash to come up with this and I think it will fly.

[Sithara007]

Trump just put forward his executive action on the Travel Ban, and as we all know the first one faced legal blockade from the 9th circuit of Appeals.

....he went forward and changed a couple things on the executive action and put a new one in order....

An efficient way to get the job done don't you think?

He missed Saudi Arabia.  That country's religious ideology is the root cause of all the ISIS like behaviours.

From where I stand, he is not doing his job.  If the objective is to fight terrorism, he should start with Saudi Arabia.

That is where the terrorist ideas and money originates.

Targeting Saudi Arabia will be a strategic mistake. Considering the amount of investments done by the Saudis in the US, antagonizing them will be suicidal, both economically and politically.

[canine2017]

Trump just put forward his executive action on the Travel Ban, and as we all know the first one faced legal blockade from the 9th circuit of Appeals.

....he went forward and changed a couple things on the executive action and put a new one in order....

An efficient way to get the job done don't you think?

He missed Saudi Arabia.  That country's religious ideology is the root cause of all the ISIS like behaviours.

From where I stand, he is not doing his job.  If the objective is to fight terrorism, he should start with Saudi Arabia.

That is where the terrorist ideas and money originates.

Targeting Saudi Arabia will be a strategic mistake. Considering the amount of investments done by the Saudis in the US, antagonizing them will be suicidal, both economically and politically.

Now after America was going to sell oil interests with Saudi Arabia disperse. America can reduce oil prices on the world market. It is quite possible that they will be competitors. This is an economic war.

[Spendulus]

Trump just put forward his executive action on the Travel Ban, and as we all know the first one faced legal blockade from the 9th circuit of Appeals.

....he went forward and changed a couple things on the executive action and put a new one in order....

An efficient way to get the job done don't you think?

He missed Saudi Arabia.  That country's religious ideology is the root cause of all the ISIS like behaviours.

From where I stand, he is not doing his job.  If the objective is to fight terrorism, he should start with Saudi Arabia.

That is where the terrorist ideas and money originates.

Targeting Saudi Arabia will be a strategic mistake. Considering the amount of investments done by the Saudis in the US, antagonizing them will be suicidal, both economically and politically.

Now after America was going to sell oil interests with Saudi Arabia disperse. America can reduce oil prices on the world market. It is quite possible that they will be competitors. This is an economic war.

Note that "target" oil prices are set by the Saudis and their cartel, not the USA.  The USA simply responds and produces in response to price and demand.

[MattScott]

Trump just put forward his executive action on the Travel Ban, and as we all know the first one faced legal blockade from the 9th circuit of Appeals.

....he went forward and changed a couple things on the executive action and put a new one in order....

An efficient way to get the job done don't you think?

He missed Saudi Arabia.  That country's religious ideology is the root cause of all the ISIS like behaviours.

From where I stand, he is not doing his job.  If the objective is to fight terrorism, he should start with Saudi Arabia.

That is where the terrorist ideas and money originates.

Targeting Saudi Arabia will be a strategic mistake. Considering the amount of investments done by the Saudis in the US, antagonizing them will be suicidal, both economically and politically.

Now after America was going to sell oil interests with Saudi Arabia disperse. America can reduce oil prices on the world market. It is quite possible that they will be competitors. This is an economic war.

Note that "target" oil prices are set by the Saudis and their cartel, not the USA.  The USA simply responds and produces in response to price and demand.

Now oil is falling in price why Saudi cartels even American to increase the pressure on the market. He will drop down.

[Flamma]

Well, I think it's the same shit on a different day. We still aren't targeting the countries that actually produce terrorist (the US and Saudi Arabia. I shit you not. When I found out we actually produced roughly half of the guys we pop for terrorism, I shit a brick). I feel this is the case because Trump has financial interests that he does not want to piss off. It targets people for religion still, with prettier words. Since we founded the country in the pursuit of religious freedom, I think it's bullshit. I know alot of you hate Muslims (despite the fact that most of us don't even know one), but if you want to paint all followers of Islam with the same brush, then do so. Don't treat the ones you like different just because you make money with them. Be an asshole unilaterally, I say.

Compare Snopes (we can all agree this is an  unbiased source):
http://www.snopes.com/2017/02/14/countries-terrorists-come/

With this (more statistics specifically on Americans that engage in terror):
https://www.newamerica.org/in-depth/terrorism-in-america/who-are-terrorists/

The second source is seeming non partisan, you can check the credentials of each of the researchers on the bottom of the page (everyone is pretty experienced, and you can't really lie about this, it's a matter of public record that is easily fact checked.)

So why are we focusing on those particular countries, that don't have Trump towers, when the countries that are the problem (and have Trump Towers) are ignored? The numbers don't lie.

Totally agree. If you think about it a lot of terrorist are already in America because they're from the same country that's banning Muslim countries. Really Trump! Doesn't he have anything else to do than pick on Muslims. I heard his mother was also an immigrant. So I don't have any fucking idea what's he thinking. This travel ban part 2 is just the same shit as the first one.

[Sithara007]

Now after America was going to sell oil interests with Saudi Arabia disperse. America can reduce oil prices on the world market. It is quite possible that they will be competitors. This is an economic war.

No matter how much crude oil the American frackers can produce out of the shale formations, the US will remain a net importer of crude oil in the long term. And that means that at last in the crude oil sector, there will be no competition between the US and the KSA.

[criptix]

Now after America was going to sell oil interests with Saudi Arabia disperse. America can reduce oil prices on the world market. It is quite possible that they will be competitors. This is an economic war.

No matter how much crude oil the American frackers can produce out of the shale formations, the US will remain a net importer of crude oil in the long term. And that means that at last in the crude oil sector, there will be no competition between the US and the KSA.

The us reduced their net crude oil imports from 70% to less then 25% in just 10 years through fracking.
Should oil prices stabilise around 50+ $ oil independence is realistic.
Just google trump and US oil independence.

[Spendulus]

Now after America was going to sell oil interests with Saudi Arabia disperse. America can reduce oil prices on the world market. It is quite possible that they will be competitors. This is an economic war.

No matter how much crude oil the American frackers can produce out of the shale formations, the US will remain a net importer of crude oil in the long term. And that means that at last in the crude oil sector, there will be no competition between the US and the KSA.

The us reduced their net crude oil imports from 70% to less then 25% in just 10 years through fracking.
Should oil prices stabilise around 50+ $ oil independence is realistic.
Just google trump and US oil independence.

What this translates into is American free market in fracking broke the back of a world wide cartel that was doing a fairly good job of rigging world oil prices.

Odd anyone would be crying about that.

[Lancusters]

Now after America was going to sell oil interests with Saudi Arabia disperse. America can reduce oil prices on the world market. It is quite possible that they will be competitors. This is an economic war.

No matter how much crude oil the American frackers can produce out of the shale formations, the US will remain a net importer of crude oil in the long term. And that means that at last in the crude oil sector, there will be no competition between the US and the KSA.

In the U.S. not only has shale oil and conventional oil. Besides, Trump was going to sell strategic oil reserves. In any case, this should lead to a drop in prices on world markets. Let me also remind you that China's economy is also beginning to decline.