Got this one yesterday. Notice that he is trying very hard to convince them that he is giving an honest confession, the interviewers have made it clear that he must confess and his confession must pass as the truth. Notice too that despite trying desperately to create a confession, almost nothing that he says is consistent with the crime scene. Again, he wants to confess because he is scared of what will happen, to him and others, if he does not confess, but he simply does not know what happened. He was not present when the girl died.
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A1: Where did she watch the video with you?
T: (Where did she watch the video with you?)
S: (Upstairs)
T: (Which one?)
S: (The first floor.)
T: The visiting room.
A1: The visiting room? First floor?
T: Yeah, first floor.
A1: When did you take her down the basement?
T: (When did you take her down the basement?)
A1: We know it was you. Your footprint is next to her body. Don’t lie to me.
S: (I didn’t take her down the basement.)
A1: When did he take her down to basement?
T: (When did you take her down the basement? Answer him. When did you take her downstairs?)
A1: Your footprint. It was right next to her dead body. We know you had her down the basement. Go ahead.
T: (They know everything. They found the black foot mark on her body. And what they found was the whole mark of your whole foot, not just the heel. Medical examiners have already checked thoroughly.)
A1: This is your only opportunity to tell us what happened.
T: (Now, they know everything.)
A1: Her blood is on your bed. Her blood. Her blood is on his bed.
T: (And they have also found the girl’s blood on your bag.)
S: (My bag?)
T: bag, alright?
A1: Bed, bed.
T: (Oh..on your bed. The girl’s blood is on your bed.)
A1: We don’t think that when she came into your house, you know, that you wanted to kill her. Kill her. Murder her.
T: (As I said earlier, when the girl came to visit your place, you..) {interrupted}
A1: because if you did, you probably would have spent more time planning it, like where am I gonna put the body when she’s dead.
T: (You may not have wanted to kill her. But you played with her. You spent so much time together.)
A1: You didn’t think about the fact that your room-mates would be home, eating dinner?
T: (You didn’t even eat together with your roommates when they asked you to join dinner with them.)
S: (I did.)
A1: What did he say?
T: (That night, Monday night..)
S: (When they came in on Monday night, I had already had my dinner. How could I eat again?)
A1: What did he say?
T: He already ate.
A1: Right, but that has nothing with.. What I’m saying is that you didn’t plan on all your room-mates being upstairs after you had killed this girl. I mean how are you gonna get upstairs with your roommates sitting down watching TV. How are you gonna explain a dead body over your shoulders and go out the front door? That’s what I meant.
Sorry..Okay..you take this girl downstairs in the basement.
T: (You take this girl downstairs in the basement. Just listen to him.)
A1: Her blood is on your bed.
T: (Her blood is found on your bed.)
A1: Her blood is on the wall.
T: (And on the wall.)
A1: And your room-mates are upstairs.
T: (Your roommates are upstairs. You know, the ones who you live with.)
S: (Yes, they were upstairs.)
A1: What did he say?
T: Yeah.. they’re living upstairs.
A1: They’re upstairs but there’s a dead girl..there’s a girl. How are you going to explain her being in the basement to your..to your room-mates? Ask him that. How is he going to explain dead girl lying…Why’s she down the basement with him?
T: This is he explains what did he see..
A1: No.. she’s down the basement with him.
T: (She’s down the basement with you, right?)
A1: He can’t explain to his room-mates why she’s down there with him.
T: (You can’t explain to your roommates why the girl’s down there with you. You were missing.)
A1: Especially when she’s dead.
T: (Then, the girl died.)
A1: And her panties are out. Her underwear, her panties are out.
T: (And her panties are out. Her underwear, her panties are out.)
A2: Was it an accident or did you plan this?
T: (Now, what he wants to know is if it was an accident or if you planned it. Was it an accident or did you plan it?)
A1: Say it again!
T: (Now, what he wants to know is if it was an accident or if you planned it. Was it an accident or did you plan it?)
A2: because we can understand it if it was an accident.
T: (But from what they understand, it was an accident.)
A2: If it wasn’t an accident, you must have planned to do this.
T: (If it wasn’t an accident, you must have planned to do this.)
A2: So, was it an accident or did you plan this?
T: (What they want to know is “Was it an accident or did you plan this?” They want to know the answer. Which one is it? “Was it an accident or did you do it intentionally?”)
A2: So, which is it? Was it an accident or did you plan this?
T: (Which is it? Was it an accident or did you plan this?)
A2: Accident or you planned it?
T: (Answer him.)
A2: Which is it?
T: (Which is it?)
A2: It’s time to tell us. What happened? We need to know why.
T: (Now, it’s time to talk. They’ve been doing this the whole day. You need to talk.)
A2: Do you want people thinking that you planned this out?
T: (Do you want people to think that you planned this out or do you want them to see it as an accident?)
A2: Or do you want people to understand what really happened down there?
T: (What happened down there was.. Do you want people to think that you planned this out or do you want them to see it as an accident?)
A2: We don’t think.. we don’t think you meant to hurt her. We don’t think you meant to hurt her. We don’t think you meant to hurt her.
T: (As I said earlier, for them.. you know)
A1: Go ahead. Go ahead.
T: (They think that you didn’t want to hurt the girl.)
A2: But things may have gone too far and we need to know what happened.
T: (You have been thinking very long and they want to know why.)
A1: Come on. Tell us.
T: (Tell them.)
A2: What happened?
T: (What happened?)
A2: What happened?
T: (What happened?)
A2: What happened?
S: (Okay. Then, I’m gonna tell the truth. But I’m afraid of them.)
T: (No, don’t be. They’re not gonna do anything to you. If you tell the truth, your charges can be reduced but if you lie, it’s not gonna be good for you because they have already known everything.)
A1: What was that?
T: Let me explain! I will be explaining later.
A1: Okay. Alright.
T: (Why? We both are Myanmar and I really sympathize with you, brother. It is better for you to tell them the truth. Well, they have already known everything. They’ve got all the evidence so if you lie, and if they know that you’re lying, you can be charged for lying, too. They’re watching you. They’re watching how you lie. So, if you lie and they find out about that, that will double your charges. Do you understand? Now, tell them the truth and they can understand that it was an accident and reduce the charges.)
A1: Okay. Let us know, now.
S: (It was nothing, you know. People say that children are the most important ones in this country. She fell down the stairs while I was playing with her. And there was blood running out of mouth. She said she was gonna tell her dad about that and I told her “Why would you do that?” Then, I grabbed her and she slipped out of my hand and bumped into the wall.)
T: (So, did you kicked her again?)
A1: What did he say?
A2: What did he just say?
T: He knew about America.
S: (You can say it was an accident. They can assume it as an accident if they want. I didn’t do that to her intentionally. Actually, I killed her because she said she could make things up and put me into trouble.)
T: (Did you fuck her?)
S: (No, I’m not that kind of guy.)
A1: What did he say?
T: We got it.
A1: Hold on. Hold on.
T: Okay we got it.
A1: Okay, we’ll relax.
T: He just came here, United States. He knew about.. we have this orientation in Thailand, you know.
A1: You have what?
T: Orientation.
A1: Orientation. Okay. In Thailand, you have orientation about United States.
T: About the America is.. children is very important. And he knows about that. And then, the children is play, play and the children is lay down from the stairs. She got off from the stairs bleeding.
A1: Hit her head? On the stairs?
T: Yeah. She is. She lay down from the stairs.
A2: She fell down?
T: She fell down. And then she get the bleeding and then, the children is cry and then she talk to father and then like this. He is scared. If she talk to the father, he will be get the something. So, he is scared. And then, he is, you know, he is..
A1: Okay, we’re getting somewhere, alright? But you’re still full of shit. Tell him that.
T: Yeah.
A1: He’s still full of shit. He’s getting somewhere but he’s still full of shit.
T: (How did you kill her?)
S: (Huh?)
T: (How did you kill her?)
A1: Because if she would have fallen down the stairs completely by accident why not go and give her help?
T: (Like I said, if she would have fallen down the stairs by accident, why didn’t you go and give her help?)
S: (I did. But it didn’t work. I put her in my arms and soothed her but she didn’t listen to me. She said she would tell her dad about that and..)
T: (She would tell her dad?)
S: (Yes)
T: (Okay, is it possible? You could tell her dad that she fell down the stairs completely by accident. Right?)
S: (No, her dad is.. I’m scared of her dad.)
T: She fell down. The children cry. He put her.. ‘Don’t cry. Don’t cry. Don’t talk to father.’ But she’s not stop crying. And he’s very scared.
A2: Why don’t you shut her up?
T: (Did you shut her up?)
S: (No.)
T: No
A2: You wanted to make her be quiet?
T: (How did you try to make her be quiet?)
A1: You wanted her to stop crying.
S: (She cried after falling down and I soothed her. It was an accident so I told her to stop crying but she said she would tell her dad and I said “Don’t talk to your dad. We always play together, right? We ride the bike together and now you fell down the stairs while we’re playing. What happened to you?” She said her mouth bled and she ran out of my arms saying she would tell her dad. So, I grabbed her arm but I grabbed so hard that she hit the wall when she got out of my hand and fell down. When she got down, she was shaking and then, she died.)
A1: What did he say?
T: She fell down. The children fell down. She got the bleeding from the bleeding mouth. And she cry. He’s talk to ‘Hey, we’re..’ She talk to him about she will be talk to father, my father. He’s scared of her father. Don’t talk to father. We’re always play. We’re always playing, you know. This time is this is an accident. Don’t talk to father. She’s not. She’s run out. And then, he’s catch and pull out. This is he cannot catch her and then, she hit the wall and then, she was like this you know shocked.
A1: Okay.
A2: And then, he put her in the shower?
A1: Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. What happened after that?
T: (What happened after that?)
S: (She was shaking and I was looking at her. I was thinking what was happening to her. I thought she became unconscious. Or was it ..)
T: (Was she still shaking?)
S: (Shaking. After she fell down the stairs, she was shaking when I looked at her. She was shaking and I was looking. I thought may be she became unconscious. And then, there was blood running down from her mouth and nose and she was motionless.)
A1: What did he say?
T: And then, he’s pull out.
S: (I was so scared when she became so still that I didn’t even drag her to the bathroom. I left her near the entrance. But then, I realized that it was near the staircase and people would be able to see her. So, I pulled her aside and I ran away.)
T: (So, you didn’t leave her in the bathroom?)
S: (No, I didn’t.)
A1: What did he say?
T: And then, when she ran out, he is pull.. he’s pull a very force, you know. Hit the wall and then, she is fell, like this, shake. Shake and some of the bleeding from the nose and mouth and bleeding. He is still looking. This is die or something lost consciousness or he’s thinking about she is. She is no shake more. And then, this is.. this is downstairs.
A1: Down the basement?
T: Downstairs. He’s worried about somebody seeing her.
A1: Okay.
T: He pull to the door, the front door of the bathroom. Not inside. Just cover it inside. And then, he went out the home.
A2: He ran away?
T: Yeah.
A1: Okay. You’re getting close. Okay, but your story doesn’t match the evidence. Tell him that.
T: What’s that?
A1: His story is getting close to the truth. But it’s not the complete truth.
T: (But the story you said was.. it was..)
A1: We need you to tell us the whole truth.
T: (it’s just a piece. Not the complete truth. They need more. Tell them the truth.)
A1: Do you feel bad about what happened to her?
S: (That was what happened when I was with her. I didn’t take her to the bathroom.)
T: Not.. not.. he didn’t do about her.. he didn’t pull inside of the bathroom, just put the the front door of the bathroom and then he went out. That’s it. He no more do.
A1: Does he feel bad about what happened to her?
T: Bad?
A1: Does he feel bad about what happened to her?
A2: Does he feel sad?
A1: Upset about what happened to her?
T: (Did you do anything to make her cry or upset?)
S: (I didn’t do else to anything make her cry. She fell down the stairs and I soothed her. She ran out and hit the wall. And her body fell down the stairs. That’s it.)
T: The same. He talked the same thing.
(When did you fuck her, before she got off the stairs or after?)
A1: Okay. When did you have sex with her before she got off the stairs or after?
A2: Sex.
A1: When did he fuck her?
T: (Did you..)
S: (No, I didn’t. I can swear.)
T: He say. He guarantee.
S: (I didn’t do that.)
T: He guarantee. No, he didn’t.
A2: He what?
T: He didn’t.
A2: He didn’t.
T: Yeah, he didn’t.
A1: What did you do to her?
T: (What did you do to her?)
A1: Why wasn’t she wearing any panties?
T: (Why wasn’t she wearing any panties?)
A1: We’re gonna find it.
S: (I don’t know. Didn’t I say that I didn’t take her into the bathroom.)
T: (No. I’ll tell you what.)
S: (Yes.)
T: (Don’t lie.)
S: (I’m not lying. I’m just saying..)
T: (Now, the kid..)
S: (Now, I’ve talked.)
T: (Yes, but wait.)
S: (I’ve already talked. I’m telling the truth. There’re nothing to lie about, right?)
T: No, he already told the truth. He already talked to the he killed already talked to true.
A1: Okay.
T: That’s it. He no more do. He no more did. That’s it.
A1: But your story doesn’t match with the evidence.
T: (Your story isn’t there yet. What they know is more than that. They want to know the truth.)
A2: The whole truth. All the truth.
T: (They want to know the whole truth.)
A1: Everything.
T: (Everything.)
A1: To bring peace to her family. This is very painful. To bring peace to her family. Peace to her family.
A2: Peace.
T: Ah.. P-E-A-C-E.
A1: Yes. Yes.
A2: Sorry.
T: I think peas.
A1: To bring peace to her family. We need to know the whole truth.
T: (Like I said, to bring peace to her family. They want to give them the truth. They know much more than this. They’ve already run the medical tests and now, they want to know the truth from you.)
A2: And to bring peace to you. You need to get it off your chest and tell the truth. The peace to yourself.
T: (Telling truth will also bring peace to your soul and to them, alright? Because they’ve already known everything. Now, they’re asking you just to put this in the record. They want to hear what you say. That’s it. They have every detail. In America, you can run tests and know what bruises are where and even the fingerprints. So, they’ve already known and they’re asking because they just want to hear what you have to say. Do you get it?)
S: (Yes. It’s true that the girl died after what happened with me but I didn’t rape her. I’m telling the truth. I can swear.)
T: He already talked everything. He killed but he didn’t fuck. He pray. This is he pray.
A1: He pray?
T: He pray.
A1: Okay. He prayed after she was dead?
T: No.. No pray about. He guarantee. If you buy the car, you have warrantee or guarantee.
A1: Guarantee!.. Okay. Okay.
T: This is he didn’t.
A1: After she was dead? After she was dead?
T: (After she was dead,)
A1: What did you do?
T: (What did you do?)
S: (Nothing. I dragged her from her hair and moved her. Then I left home until you came and arrested me this morning.)
T: (Where did they arrest you?)
S: (At my uncle’s home.)
T: After he done, he pull the hair. He pull the.. nobody see you know. If the downstairs is somebody see. He’s a little bit cover over there. He pull out and then ran out.
A1: Where did you go?
T: (Where did you go?)
S: (Huh?)
T: (Where did you go?)
S: (I was scared to death and I didn’t know where to run. So, I just went to my uncle’s place.)
T: He didn’t know about the where.. he’s very scared at this time. And then, He doesn’t have the any idea about where can I go? And then, only one way. His uncle. He went to the his uncle.
A2: He went to his uncle’s. The place down there? His uncle’s house?
T: Yeah. Yeah.
A1: What did you do with your clothes that were all bloody? What did he do with his bloody clothes? He must have had blood on it as he’s dragging her around and she’s bleeding and shaking?
T: (Like I said, she’s bleeding, right? So, there must be blood on your shirt. What did you do with that shirt?)
S: (Yes, there’s some blood on my shirt. I washed it off with soap at my uncle’s home.)
T: A little bit bleeding and then, he..he..
A1: That shirt?
T: (That shirt?)
A1: That’s the shirt you wore?
S: (Yes.)
A1: Can I take that?
T: (Take it off. He wants to see it.)
He some soap and then he wash it.
A2: What about the pants?
T: (What about the pants? These pants?)
S: (Yes, these pants.)
T: Yes
A2: Those pants? Okay. What shoes?
T: (What shoes?)
A2: What shoes were you wearing?
T: (What shoes were you wearing?)
S: (I wasn’t wearing any shoes. It was in the house so..)
T: (You just ran away barefoot?)
S: (I was wearing white shoes when I ran away.)
T: (Where are those shoes?)
S: (They’re at the place where I was arrested.)
T: The shoe is his uncle home.
A1: Okay. Alright.
A2: What colour were they? We just want to make sure that…
T: (What colour were they?)
S: (White.)
T: White.
A1: Okay. What kind?
T: (What kind?)
A2: Brand?
S: (Just slippers.)
T: A little bit skinny. Not too thick.
A1: Okay.
T: He didn’t know about the what kind, what trademark.
A1: What else did you do other than trying scrap all his clothes?
T: Him?
A1: Yes..yes. Ask him. What else did he do?
T: (Then, then..what else did you do with the clothes?)
S: (I didn’t do anything else with the clothes.)
T: He didn’t do anything.
A2: Did you ever come back to the apartment?
T: (Did you ever come back to the apartment?)
S: (No.)
A2: How long after she died did he leave?
T: (How long after she died did you leave?)
S: (She was shaking and when she stopped shaking, I was so scared. I was thinking what if her father or one of her relatives had seen her? I ran away as I was afraid that they would hit me.)
T: He’s run out immediately.
A2: Immediately?
T: Immediately. Because he’s scared about somebody relationship or her dad fight with him. He’s scared. He went out.
A2: What time was it when you left the house?
T: (What time was it when you left the house?)
S: (Around four o’clock.)
T: (Four p.m?)
S: (Yes.)
T: (It wasn’t dark yet.)
S: (No.)
T: About 4 o’clock. 4 pm.
A1: Okay, 4 pm?
T: 4 pm.
A1: Who was at the house when you left?
T: (Who was at the house when you left?)
S: (No one.)
T: Nobody.
A2: Did you tell anybody about this? You told anybody about this?
T: (Did you tell anybody about this?)
S: (No. I didn’t tell anyone.)
T: No, nobody knows.
A1: Okay. Alright. We’ll take a couple of minutes. Stay right here.
A2: We’ll be back. 2 minutes.
