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March 13, 2017, 10:58:43 AM
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Of course yes, the transaction fees will kill small transaction of bitcoin
but doesn't mean transaction fees will kill bitcoin its self,
bitcoin will be difficult killed because of the high fees transaction to sending bitcoin,
 bitcoin is suitable for big amout of transaction, so don't use bitcoin for small transaction.
You are right but still we can think about it in positive ways , let's think that if we will pay more fee with the transaction Then all credit goes to the miners which are helping us to perform our transactions successfully .
So with the pay of transaction fee we are supporting the Bitcoin network directly . In this way the life of bitcoin will increase .
But still here a bad thing about this is that even after the better amount of fee transactions sometimes we are not getting much speed of confirmation of our payment . Here needed some better improvement .
Yes, I hope there are solution for the problem of block size and high fees transaction,
although the solution of segwit still not be activated because there are comunity disagree with segwit,
we hope there is solution can be accepted by all of comunity bitcoin.
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March 13, 2017, 11:57:07 AM
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As long as the transaction fee required by bitcoin is still lower than that of any money transfer like Western union, that wont happen. It is understandable that every transaction we do would require fees. But if the transaction fee of bitcoin continue to increase its value, maybe bitcoin would lessen its reputation in the investors.

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March 13, 2017, 12:00:40 PM
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As long as the transaction fee required by bitcoin is still lower than that of any money transfer like Western union, that wont happen. It is understandable that every transaction we do would require fees. But if the transaction fee of bitcoin continue to increase its value, maybe bitcoin would lessen its reputation in the investors.

Not really, even at large amount there will be a lot who will use it. Just thinking of what else it offers will get you hooked with it. It is not just about the transaction fees that are featured by bitcoin. The security of everything being transacted and the investment part are the special ones. So they might stay with that reasons.

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March 13, 2017, 12:17:50 PM
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you can enjoy low transaction costs with bitcoin. it looks like you are using third party services that set a high cost.
try using blockchain to get the amount of the fee is more perspective.
I disagree.  Bitcoin is designed to have more convenient transactions.  If a person sets lower fees, the transaction either takes a long time to confirm or doesn't confirm at all.  That's why there are loads of different threads on the forum with the same topic, talking about when their transaction is finally going to confirm.

If Bitcoin users have to decide between extremely inconvenient and extremely expensive transactions then Bitcoin has been unsuccessful in its purpose as a currency.

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March 13, 2017, 12:51:08 PM
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No, it is not valid reason to kill the bitcoin. Do you use Western Union, and have you pay its amount transfer fee?
Western Union has more fee than bitcoin, and bitcoin has charged lowest fee. In my thinking, bitcoin give us a facility of amount transfer in a lowest fee.   
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March 13, 2017, 01:48:37 PM
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Transaction fee at times increase based on the increase in value of the bitcoin value. This never becomes a big issue to kill bitcoin or stay opposing the growth of bitcoin as adoption and market acceptance in physical and digital goods were keep on increasing.

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March 13, 2017, 01:56:09 PM
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Transaction fee at times increase based on the increase in value of the bitcoin value. This never becomes a big issue to kill bitcoin or stay opposing the growth of bitcoin as adoption and market acceptance in physical and digital goods were keep on increasing.

If bitcoins value keeps increasing, even it the sats/per byte fee doesn't increase, I think I will buy my goods using Visa. That way, the store pays the fee.
Bitcoin utility value eroded.

Scaling and transaction rate: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=532.msg6306#msg6306
Do not allow demand to exceed capacity. Do not allow mempools to forget transactions. Relay all transactions. Eventually confirm all transactions.
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March 13, 2017, 02:00:39 PM
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Right now on my wallet, I want to transfer money from my Android wallet to my cold storage wallet. The fee is so high, that it's not worth to initiate the transfer, everyone says bitcoin has the lower fee to transfer value over service like the Western Union.

I am very disappointed with the fee, what is your view about the transaction fee? Do you think that that will be the beginning of the end for bitcoin?

There is nothing we can do with transaction fees right now. All we can do is that we do not transfer small amount so that transaction fees will not be wasted. Wait until scaling is resolve and we will have a better fees
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March 13, 2017, 02:46:52 PM
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Right now on my wallet, I want to transfer money from my Android wallet to my cold storage wallet. The fee is so high, that it's not worth to initiate the transfer, everyone says bitcoin has the lower fee to transfer value over service like the Western Union.

I am very disappointed with the fee, what is your view about the transaction fee? Do you think that that will be the beginning of the end for bitcoin?

Well i haven't experienced this kind of stuff having a high price fees in my wallet they don't tax us in sending money but they gave us 1% of what i send money from my other wallet. In your case that's really hard and i don't think its the end of bitcoin but its the end of your wallet but you have to change wallet if that's the case and also bticoin has grown much larger and more expensive Smiley
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March 13, 2017, 02:48:26 PM
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I think big transaction costs will be a barrier to any payment method!
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March 13, 2017, 04:59:26 PM
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Right now, I have two transactions sitting in memory pool doing nothing.

I relied on bitcoin core and took the suggested transaction fee and even added to it, so the transaction should be through within 10 blocks.

That was 5 hours ago. Eligius writes something about pool policy of 4096 Satoshi per 512byte.

I have a ~1.7kb Transaction with over 127000 Satoshi transaction fee and it's not getting confirmed.

So how big are transaction fees at the moment and why has bitcoin-core 0.13.1.*  f*ed me over?


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March 13, 2017, 05:02:33 PM
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OP, transaction fee shown in wallets are recommended values and not the exact ones that you need to put. However, they are recommended in order to have your transaction taken in the block earlier, because nowadays miners are interested in higher fee due to high costs that they are facing in mining and longer duration also for them to be able to reach their ROI.

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March 13, 2017, 05:07:06 PM
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Right now, I have two transactions sitting in memory pool doing nothing.

I relied on bitcoin core and took the suggested transaction fee and even added to it, so the transaction should be through within 10 blocks.

That was 5 hours ago. Eligius writes something about pool policy of 4096 Satoshi per 512byte.

I have a ~1.7kb Transaction with over 127000 Satoshi transaction fee and it's not getting confirmed.

So how big are transaction fees at the moment and why has bitcoin-core 0.13.1.*  f*ed me over?


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That's about 73 sats/byte fee, if I calculated correctly.

https://bitcoinfees.21.co/

Currently 6-142 blocks until confirmation estimate.

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March 13, 2017, 06:14:10 PM
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Right now on my wallet, I want to transfer money from my Android wallet to my cold storage wallet. The fee is so high, that it's not worth to initiate the transfer, everyone says bitcoin has the lower fee to transfer value over service like the Western Union.

I am very disappointed with the fee, what is your view about the transaction fee? Do you think that that will be the beginning of the end for bitcoin?

Fees are there to keep the equilibrium of the transactions and the value of bitcoins. It will really matter on transactions you are making. As a matter of fact theres a fast change of value in bitcoin  it can be higher tomorrow and becomes lower the other day and vice versa. The best thing youll do so that you wont be dissapointed is to transact or transfer the needed or significant ones and dont waste on the little fees. As what i can see its not the end of bitcoin since its just a cycle and many individuals are patronizing it even with its unpredictability and sudden change, im pretty sure of this.
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March 13, 2017, 08:12:42 PM
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Definitely it will have negative impact on Bitcoin especially on Bitcoin newbies and wouldbe's . It is a very important issue that needs addressing urgently and I hope the calls out there would be heard in due time.
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March 13, 2017, 08:53:41 PM
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As long as the transaction fee required by bitcoin is still lower than that of any money transfer like Western union, that wont happen. It is understandable that every transaction we do would require fees. But if the transaction fee of bitcoin continue to increase its value, maybe bitcoin would lessen its reputation in the investors.

Not really, even at large amount there will be a lot who will use it. Just thinking of what else it offers will get you hooked with it. It is not just about the transaction fees that are featured by bitcoin. The security of everything being transacted and the investment part are the special ones. So they might stay with that reasons.
yes it will not really kill bitcoin but still i will like to say that it will create problems, i think this issue must be solve in priority basis, because if the increasing trend of transaction fee will continue then it will certainly create problems.

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March 13, 2017, 11:53:39 PM
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Definitely it will have negative impact on Bitcoin especially on Bitcoin newbies and wouldbe's . It is a very important issue that needs addressing urgently and I hope the calls out there would be heard in due time.
yes that is right that although it cannot kill the bitcoin but still it it can put very bad effect on bitcoin.
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March 14, 2017, 02:51:02 AM
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Right now on my wallet, I want to transfer money from my Android wallet to my cold storage wallet. The fee is so high, that it's not worth to initiate the transfer, everyone says bitcoin has the lower fee to transfer value over service like the Western Union.

I am very disappointed with the fee, what is your view about the transaction fee? Do you think that that will be the beginning of the end for bitcoin?

It depends on what people see Bitcoin as more a means of transmitting currency or an asset class.
Until the community decides that we are stuck with the higher transaction fee in simple terms.

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March 14, 2017, 02:56:36 AM
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I was taken by surprise when I sent 0.005 BTC and the transaction fee was 0.003 BTC which is more than half of what I sent, I miss calculated that one and I know its my mistake but I learned my lesson there, you can't spend that amount of BTC without suffering from the transaction fees. It's either pay the high transaction fee or lower the transaction fee but suffer as well for the long waiting time of the transaction to be confirmed.
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It's a no and a maybe for me. No, because people tend to invest big amount of dollars already with bitcoin and I don't think just because with the fees it will kill the society of bitcoin. It's a maybe, because those people who are sick with confirmation delay and as well as the fees will find some alternative coins for it.

That is not true. Bitcoin universe hold more people who transact less money everyday in trading or selling/buying. And the fees and delay in transaction time are making them frustrated.

To OP: am afraid so, yes. It may kill Bitcoin one day but the transaction fees are necessary to miners. Hope to find a solution for that.

Yes it is making them frustrated that's why the core dev's of bitcoin is trying to do something as solution to this problem. This is just a good indication that bitcoin is spreading it's popularity and a lot of people are transacting everyday. But with my experience the delay is just a normal thing, I just need to wait for a couple of minutes or hours.

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