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March 19, 2017, 12:02:09 AM
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Account selling is a regular feature here on this forum.While it is not against forum rules but it creates unnecessary spammers here.
It is also understood that most of these account selling happen because of signature campaigns (Newbies trying to get high rank quickly)
What if there is a strict rule that a member will always have to use one wallet address for all the signature campaigns he/she will ever enroll with?
This,in my opinion, will curb the menace of account selling as buyer will not be able to participate in any signature campaign if he doesn't own the wallet attached with sold account.
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March 19, 2017, 12:37:44 AM
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I understand the thinking, but what would stop account sellers from transferring the wallet file in the transaction? IIRC transferring Priv Keys is already common practice.
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March 19, 2017, 04:09:35 AM
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Account selling is a regular feature here on this forum.While it is not against forum rules but it creates unnecessary spammers here.
It is also understood that most of these account selling happen because of signature campaigns (Newbies trying to get high rank quickly)
What if there is a strict rule that a member will always have to use one wallet address for all the signature campaigns he/she will ever enroll with?
This,in my opinion, will curb the menace of account selling as buyer will not be able to participate in any signature campaign if he doesn't own the wallet attached with sold account.

What if that wallet is not accessible anymore and the owner because it was hacked or the online wallet turns scam like torwallet,so if the campaigner is a good poster,he cannot participate anymore because he cannot use other wallet address..


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March 19, 2017, 04:46:32 AM
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I understand the thinking, but what would stop account sellers from transferring the wallet file in the transaction? IIRC transferring Priv Keys is already common practice.

The buyer is always at the risk of seller deciding to use bitcoins obtained from the signature campaign, because the seller will still have access to the address.  Smiley
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March 19, 2017, 05:13:15 AM
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The answer is simple:  eliminate all paid signature campaigns.  One warning, perm ban.  This would solve the spam to create accounts, the account selling, and the spamming due to the signature campaigns.

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March 19, 2017, 08:05:26 AM
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Account selling is a regular feature here on this forum.While it is not against forum rules but it creates unnecessary spammers here.

Do you have any evidence that suggest this is actually true or is it just your impression?

It is also understood that most of these account selling happen because of signature campaigns (Newbies trying to get high rank quickly)

Newbies? I thought we are talking about bought accounts.

What if there is a strict rule that a member will always have to use one wallet address for all the signature campaigns he/she will ever enroll with?
This,in my opinion, will curb the menace of account selling as buyer will not be able to participate in any signature campaign if he doesn't own the wallet attached with sold account.

So you want to force every participant to give up their privacy? What if a user does not a agree and just enters a new bitcoin address on the campaigners website every few weeks? What if their wallet is compromised?

Im not really here, its just your imagination.
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March 19, 2017, 11:06:09 AM
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Do you have any evidence that suggest this is actually true or is it just your impression?
This assumption is based on my observation.I maybe wrong.

Newbies? I thought we are talking about bought accounts.
Yes .I used it as an example to show why accounts are bought.
So you want to force every participant to give up their privacy? What if a user does not a agree and just enters a new bitcoin address on the campaigners website every few weeks? What if their wallet is compromised?
Kindly enlighten how sticking to one wallet address or using same for all campaigns compromise once privacy??
If users doesn't agree and enters new bitcoin address, the campaign manager will not accept him in campaign.
As far as question of someone losing his/her wallet is conserned,that should be an exception.If every 10th or 20th member ask for wallet change because his wallet is compromised,we know something is wrong.
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March 19, 2017, 11:12:25 AM
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How would this stop anything? Account sellers would just sell the address with the account as some already do.

Kindly enlighten how sticking to one wallet address or using same for all campaigns compromise once privacy??
If users doesn't agree and enters new bitcoin address, the campaign manager will not accept him in campaign.
As far as question of someone losing his/her wallet is conserned,that should be an exception.If every 10th or 20th member ask for wallet change because his wallet is compromised,we know something is wrong.

Because some people don't want everyone knowing how much coins they have and if you only have one address it's easy to find out. Bitcoin was also designed with the recommendation that you use a new address for every transaction. This is a silly idea and wouldn't even work.

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March 19, 2017, 11:48:40 AM
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Account selling is a regular feature here on this forum.While it is not against forum rules but it creates unnecessary spammers here.
It is also understood that most of these account selling happen because of signature campaigns (Newbies trying to get high rank quickly)
What if there is a strict rule that a member will always have to use one wallet address for all the signature campaigns he/she will ever enroll with?
This,in my opinion, will curb the menace of account selling as buyer will not be able to participate in any signature campaign if he doesn't own the wallet attached with sold account.
And what about Exchange signature campaigns that you are a part of?.They usually prefer to pay in wallet on their exchange and ask participants to sign up for new wallet.

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March 19, 2017, 12:06:08 PM
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Account selling is a regular feature here on this forum.While it is not against forum rules but it creates unnecessary spammers here.
It is also understood that most of these account selling happen because of signature campaigns (Newbies trying to get high rank quickly)
What if there is a strict rule that a member will always have to use one wallet address for all the signature campaigns he/she will ever enroll with?
This,in my opinion, will curb the menace of account selling as buyer will not be able to participate in any signature campaign if he doesn't own the wallet attached with sold account.

Why did you change your address than? Did you bought this account?

Now, this is very funny part of your post history:

Good price for legendary account.if I have money I bought it

It is contradiction to your thread.
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March 19, 2017, 12:16:43 PM
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The answer is simple:  eliminate all paid signature campaigns.  One warning, perm ban.  This would solve the spam to create accounts, the account selling, and the spamming due to the signature campaigns.
No signature campaigns will definitely decrease the demand for buying/selling/farming accounts, but there is still the trust farming aspect that you seem to discard.

Then we have account farmers looking to profit from giveaways, enrolling their accounts in free to enter lotteries, and the list goes on. Disallowing signature campaigns doesn't solve the whole purpose of farming and buying/selling accounts.

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March 19, 2017, 12:28:37 PM
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Do you have any evidence that suggest this is actually true or is it just your impression?
This assumption is based on my observation.I maybe wrong.

Newbies? I thought we are talking about bought accounts.
Yes .I used it as an example to show why accounts are bought.
So you want to force every participant to give up their privacy? What if a user does not a agree and just enters a new bitcoin address on the campaigners website every few weeks? What if their wallet is compromised?
Kindly enlighten how sticking to one wallet address or using same for all campaigns compromise once privacy??

Same as why in general its good advice to not reuse bitcoin addresses. You would know how much I have earned from campaigns over the years, when I spend the coins and to which addresses. It may be possible to gather (some of) this knowledge with significant work anyway, but I think you see the difference.

If users doesn't agree and enters new bitcoin address, the campaign manager will not accept him in campaign.

But the campaign manager wants advertisers. They have no incentive to follow this idea, why should they? In fact campaign managers could easily filter those spamming by checking the post history of those they pay.

As far as question of someone losing his/her wallet is conserned,that should be an exception.If every 10th or 20th member ask for wallet change because his wallet is compromised,we know something is wrong.

So its not even working, because I can just claim I lost access to my wallet anyway?

I dont see how this could work, nor do I think its a good idea.

Im not really here, its just your imagination.
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March 19, 2017, 01:03:58 PM
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The answer is simple:  eliminate all paid signature campaigns.  One warning, perm ban.  This would solve the spam to create accounts, the account selling, and the spamming due to the signature campaigns.

How do you determine if a user's signature if part of a paid signature campaign?
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March 19, 2017, 04:48:01 PM
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The buyer is always at the risk of seller deciding to use bitcoins obtained from the signature campaign, because the seller will still have access to the address.  Smiley

Interesting point. Is there a way to block this, or to associate a new key?


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March 19, 2017, 09:18:24 PM
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I am surprised that so many people are in favor of regulations, and opposed to free market incentives.

This is disappointing.
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March 19, 2017, 10:00:38 PM
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No, I find this idea a bit impossible. I changed address several times, for good reasons, the ones preached by Bitcoin. I wanted to keep my anonymity, simply. If you were forced to use a single address all the time, your funds could be easily monitored and followed. And this is against the core idea of Bitcoin and its anonymity. Moreover, that would be such a mess for moderators to check it all, so much that even if that would be the best idea ever it would get adopted. And let's not talk about the case I lose my wallet. I am out forever ?

And I think you are talking of a fake problem, no longer existing. I have the feeling that there is a slightier less demand for accounts lately.
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March 20, 2017, 01:36:14 AM
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I am surprised that so many people are in favor of regulations, and opposed to free market incentives.
This is disappointing.

Account selling is not banned, in spite of all the headaches it causes. Isn't that a free market?  Smiley
You can't have a forum without regulations, otherwise it will turn into a spammers' paradise.
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March 20, 2017, 07:07:59 AM
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In most cases, check user recent posts when register to paid signature campaign should work.

Just "register" offsite, establish contact via PM.


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March 20, 2017, 05:37:00 PM
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I understand the thinking, but what would stop account sellers from transferring the wallet file in the transaction? IIRC transferring Priv Keys is already common practice.

The buyer is always at the risk of seller deciding to use bitcoins obtained from the signature campaign, because the seller will still have access to the address.  Smiley
Couldn't the buyer just move the bitcoins away though?
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March 20, 2017, 06:26:49 PM
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So many loud paid signatures in this thread.

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