New Jersey Pastor, Florida Programer Convicted of Bitcoin Exchange Scheme

[Bitware]

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2017/03/17/business/17reuters-cyber-jpmorgan.html

[pearlmen]

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2017/03/17/business/17reuters-cyber-jpmorgan.html

After reading through the whole article, I am just happy that all the conviction went through normal process and there is even room for appeal in case one will be needed. The case as I see it is not really about bitcoin but about doing the right thing according to the laid down rules and regulation about the process involved in such transactions and when anybody violates such, then let them face the music of their actions.

[botany]

Seems like they were mere accomplices and the real accused is Anthony Murgio, who was the operator of Coin.mx.  All this prosecution is a side effect of the breach into JP Morgan's data.

[zasad@]

https://cointelegraph.com/news/online-pastor-indicted-3-4m-crypto-scam
Pastor claims divine guidance
"A Denver, Colorado-based online pastor and his wife were indicted Tuesday on charges related to a cryptocurrency fraud scheme that raised more than $3 million from faith-based investors.

Online pastor Eli Regalado and his wife, Kaitlyn, were indicted on 40 counts stemming from what Denver District Attorney John Walsh described as a “multi-million-dollar cryptocurrency scam.”

Between January 2022 and July 2023, the Regalados allegedly solicited almost $3.4 million by encouraging people in their religious network to buy INDXcoin, a token they created and sold through the Kingdom Wealth Exchange platform.

They spent at least $1.3 million on personal expenditures, including a home renovation that they claimed “the Lord” told them to do, while only a small amount of the proceeds went to the business venture.

According to the indictment, at least 300 people invested in the token, which authorities say “maintained zero value,” resulting in total losses for all investors."

[Z-tight]

According to the indictment, at least 300 people invested in the token, which authorities say “maintained zero value,” resulting in total losses for all investors."

That is an unfortunate one for the investors, i am sure most of them know nothing about cryptocurrency, neither did they even do the smallest of research regarding this scam INDXcoin. They were only investing in this because of the faith and trust they had in this pastor, too bad that in the crypto network you shouldn't trust, but verify.

Imagine if these people had invested all these money in BTC, they would have made good returns now. But people are mostly only moved when you sell them the promise of quick wealth.

[zasad@]

According to the indictment, at least 300 people invested in the token, which authorities say “maintained zero value,” resulting in total losses for all investors."

That is an unfortunate one for the investors, i am sure most of them know nothing about cryptocurrency, neither did they even do the smallest of research regarding this scam INDXcoin. They were only investing in this because of the faith and trust they had in this pastor, too bad that in the crypto network you shouldn't trust, but verify.

Imagine if these people had invested all these money in BTC, they would have made good returns now. But people are mostly only moved when you sell them the promise of quick wealth.

I didn't want to create multiple topics about pastors. If people are stupid, they would have lost their money anyway.

There was a similar situation with SBF, after Sam's arrest Solan's coin went up a lot and his assets were enough to recover the money, pay all the fines, on Sam is still in jail.

All these stories teach us that if you want to invest, you need to learn, not listen to pastors, neighbors, friends, etc

[Majestic-milf]

 There's this joke we say in where I come from that if you want to eat someone's money, be a pastor, a herbalist or a voodoo practitioner. What I'm trying to say is that people tend to listen so adeptly to these pastors. Now I'm not saying that all pastors out there are fake or dubious, but these days it has become a trend for these "men of God" to be related with such crazy activities that you don't know who to trust anymore.
 My question is why will people trust a preacher to give them crypto advice when you can make your own research. The thing is, these people use their position as respected men to manipulate and dupe their unsuspecting congregation.

[zasad@]

There's this joke we say in where I come from that if you want to eat someone's money, be a pastor, a herbalist or a voodoo practitioner. What I'm trying to say is that people tend to listen so adeptly to these pastors. Now I'm not saying that all pastors out there are fake or dubious, but these days it has become a trend for these "men of God" to be related with such crazy activities that you don't know who to trust anymore.
 My question is why will people trust a preacher to give them crypto advice when you can make your own research. The thing is, these people use their position as respected men to manipulate and dupe their unsuspecting congregation.

I asked myself a similar question and studied scammers. A very interesting point is that when talking to a scammer, it turns out that the scammer speaks sincerely and he 100% believes what he says. He does not deceive. And when the money disappears, all scammers sing the same song: my partners deceived me, I really believed in success, and so on. Therefore, do not even try to talk to scammers, immediately write a statement to the police.

[Majestic-milf]

There's this joke we say in where I come from that if you want to eat someone's money, be a pastor, a herbalist or a voodoo practitioner. What I'm trying to say is that people tend to listen so adeptly to these pastors. Now I'm not saying that all pastors out there are fake or dubious, but these days it has become a trend for these "men of God" to be related with such crazy activities that you don't know who to trust anymore.
 My question is why will people trust a preacher to give them crypto advice when you can make your own research. The thing is, these people use their position as respected men to manipulate and dupe their unsuspecting congregation.

I asked myself a similar question and studied scammers. A very interesting point is that when talking to a scammer, it turns out that the scammer speaks sincerely and he 100% believes what he says. He does not deceive. And when the money disappears, all scammers sing the same song: my partners deceived me, I really believed in success, and so on. Therefore, do not even try to talk to scammers, immediately write a statement to the police.

You won't expect them to say they are the ones at fault, now would you? Every scammer has to at least present a face that is sincere and genuine enough for the victim to fall and also, they go as far as preparing a business proposal that almost looks legit to the untrained eye and has the potential to succeed so that when it caves, the excuse they would present won't require much investigations.
 True, reporting your issues or writing a statement to the police seems like the best course of action but sometimes, especially where I'm from, it's not always guaranteed that you'd get a suitable response or action from them as some would find a way to delay it so you can either lose interest or in order for them to take it serious, you'd bribe them.
 

[zasad@]

There's this joke we say in where I come from that if you want to eat someone's money, be a pastor, a herbalist or a voodoo practitioner. What I'm trying to say is that people tend to listen so adeptly to these pastors. Now I'm not saying that all pastors out there are fake or dubious, but these days it has become a trend for these "men of God" to be related with such crazy activities that you don't know who to trust anymore.
 My question is why will people trust a preacher to give them crypto advice when you can make your own research. The thing is, these people use their position as respected men to manipulate and dupe their unsuspecting congregation.

I asked myself a similar question and studied scammers. A very interesting point is that when talking to a scammer, it turns out that the scammer speaks sincerely and he 100% believes what he says. He does not deceive. And when the money disappears, all scammers sing the same song: my partners deceived me, I really believed in success, and so on. Therefore, do not even try to talk to scammers, immediately write a statement to the police.

You won't expect them to say they are the ones at fault, now would you? Every scammer has to at least present a face that is sincere and genuine enough for the victim to fall and also, they go as far as preparing a business proposal that almost looks legit to the untrained eye and has the potential to succeed so that when it caves, the excuse they would present won't require much investigations.
 True, reporting your issues or writing a statement to the police seems like the best course of action but sometimes, especially where I'm from, it's not always guaranteed that you'd get a suitable response or action from them as some would find a way to delay it so you can either lose interest or in order for them to take it serious, you'd bribe them.
 

When the pyramid starts to collapse, the first thing the scammers do is to convince clients not to file a police report or go to court so that they can steal more money and move to a safe country.

I understand that the police can work formally for some crimes, but when there are mass complaints, when the media covers the problem, the police will have to do everything possible to avoid becoming a victim of the media.

[Majestic-milf]

When the pyramid starts to collapse, the first thing the scammers do is to convince clients not to file a police report or go to court so that they can steal more money and move to a safe country.

It would be at their point that alarm bells would start ringing in my ears that I need to take proper action if hitherto I was blindly following them. Well, it's not everyone that can be discover the truth of these sorts of people's actions in time until it's late.

I understand that the police can work formally for some crimes, but when there are mass complaints, when the media covers the problem, the police will have to do everything possible to avoid becoming a victim of the media.

You make a valid point here. There's a way the media would be involved in a particular case that as a an up holder of the law, you wouldn't want to be caught slacking off on matters like this so the best thing would be to take action before it looks like you're in cohorts with the scammer.

[zasad@]

When the pyramid starts to collapse, the first thing the scammers do is to convince clients not to file a police report or go to court so that they can steal more money and move to a safe country.

It would be at their point that alarm bells would start ringing in my ears that I need to take proper action if hitherto I was blindly following them. Well, it's not everyone that can be discover the truth of these sorts of people's actions in time until it's late.

I understand that the police can work formally for some crimes, but when there are mass complaints, when the media covers the problem, the police will have to do everything possible to avoid becoming a victim of the media.

You make a valid point here. There's a way the media would be involved in a particular case that as a an up holder of the law, you wouldn't want to be caught slacking off on matters like this so the best thing would be to take action before it looks like you're in cohorts with the scammer.

The most interesting thing is that all pyramid schemes use the same financial scheme, and it is not difficult to recognize it. As a rule, the victims of fraudsters are poor and financially illiterate people who start taking action too late.
You can fight fraudsters for a long time, but there will always be foolish people who believe that they will become millionaires by giving money to strangers.

[Majestic-milf]

When the pyramid starts to collapse, the first thing the scammers do is to convince clients not to file a police report or go to court so that they can steal more money and move to a safe country.

It would be at their point that alarm bells would start ringing in my ears that I need to take proper action if hitherto I was blindly following them. Well, it's not everyone that can be discover the truth of these sorts of people's actions in time until it's late.

I understand that the police can work formally for some crimes, but when there are mass complaints, when the media covers the problem, the police will have to do everything possible to avoid becoming a victim of the media.

You make a valid point here. There's a way the media would be involved in a particular case that as a an up holder of the law, you wouldn't want to be caught slacking off on matters like this so the best thing would be to take action before it looks like you're in cohorts with the scammer.

The most interesting thing is that all pyramid schemes use the same financial scheme, and it is not difficult to recognize it. As a rule, the victims of fraudsters are poor and financially illiterate people who start taking action too late.
You can fight fraudsters for a long time, but there will always be foolish people who believe that they will become millionaires by giving money to strangers.

I don't think I'd argue with this one. The bottom line is not to let desperation make you take steps that would cost you dearly instead of help the present financial situation. The sad reality about life is that there are still people who would fall for weak scam attempts despite hearing warnings from others who have had experiences with them. Some people prefer to get burnt countless times before they understand the pain or take time to notice the scars.

[zasad@]

When the pyramid starts to collapse, the first thing the scammers do is to convince clients not to file a police report or go to court so that they can steal more money and move to a safe country.

It would be at their point that alarm bells would start ringing in my ears that I need to take proper action if hitherto I was blindly following them. Well, it's not everyone that can be discover the truth of these sorts of people's actions in time until it's late.

I understand that the police can work formally for some crimes, but when there are mass complaints, when the media covers the problem, the police will have to do everything possible to avoid becoming a victim of the media.

You make a valid point here. There's a way the media would be involved in a particular case that as a an up holder of the law, you wouldn't want to be caught slacking off on matters like this so the best thing would be to take action before it looks like you're in cohorts with the scammer.

The most interesting thing is that all pyramid schemes use the same financial scheme, and it is not difficult to recognize it. As a rule, the victims of fraudsters are poor and financially illiterate people who start taking action too late.
You can fight fraudsters for a long time, but there will always be foolish people who believe that they will become millionaires by giving money to strangers.

I don't think I'd argue with this one. The bottom line is not to let desperation make you take steps that would cost you dearly instead of help the present financial situation. The sad reality about life is that there are still people who would fall for weak scam attempts despite hearing warnings from others who have had experiences with them. Some people prefer to get burnt countless times before they understand the pain or take time to notice the scars.

Any investment is associated with risk, but there is one important factor. A successful investor constantly improves his level of financial education, learns to diversify risks correctly, and so on. Such an investor constantly works and does analytics. A stupid investor believes the promises of strangers. And unfortunately, the number of financial pyramids is only increasing now.