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March 30, 2017, 07:11:11 AM
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lol the alert was removed in core..
when bu grabbed core code. BU cleaned out the clutter of the last remnants of unneeded code.


Yes it was removed by core last year. BU decided to remove it 10 days ago. If they felt there was a good reason for it, they would've kept it.

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March 30, 2017, 07:13:54 AM
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lol the alert was removed in core..
when bu grabbed core code. BU cleaned out the clutter of the last remnants of unneeded code.


Yes it was removed by core last year. BU decided to remove it 10 days ago. If they felt there was a good reason for it, they would've kept it.

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A decentralised system should not have privileged users able to send alert messages on the Bitcoin network

Agreed with the last quote. My guess is BU removed the alert key as it could have been used as an attack vector.

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March 30, 2017, 07:18:07 AM
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lol the alert was removed in core..
when bu grabbed core code. BU cleaned out the clutter of the last remnants of unneeded code.


Yes it was removed by core last year. BU decided to remove it 10 days ago. If they felt there was a good reason for it, they would've kept it.

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A decentralised system should not have privileged users able to send alert messages on the Bitcoin network

No offense , but that is just stupid.  
Why don't we all turn our TVs & Radios off, because we don't want to hear a message about an impending disaster, that we could avoid if we knew about it.

By that argument we should scrap the Emergency Broadcast system that warns us of impending Weather Dangers.  Tongue

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March 30, 2017, 07:28:13 AM
Last edit: March 30, 2017, 03:48:35 PM by franky1
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lol the alert was removed in core..
when bu grabbed core code. BU cleaned out the clutter of the last remnants of unneeded code.


Yes it was removed by core last year.

lol
read harder.
they removed PART of it in 0.12.1, and more in 0.13

core are known to find faults in early versions. and things they missed/skipped.
but instead of updating early versions to be bug free. they just move to the next version and leave previous versions with bugs open to download with the bugs/issues still there cluttering the code..

thus if people were required to DOWNGRADE. they would not get a better old version than the first time they downloaded the old version last year.

imagine it this way
imagine if microsoft finds a issue in windows 8 and fixes it in an upcoming windows 11.. but doesnt go back and make a windows 8.x or windows 10.x fix..
they just moved onto version 11..

well thats what core do.
not fix the version with the issue or clean up things they missed.. instead they only care about the latest upcoming version..
(P.S i know microsoft do patch old versions, i was just saying 'IF' as an example)

BU decided to remove it 10 days ago.
If they felt there was a good reason for it, they would've kept it.

it was already part removed AKA unusable
BU was just clearing the remnants..
to establish the alert key again requires a new mechanism / key.. and then the community would never hear the end of a debate that BU have a key to alerts twisted into BU control alerts and will broadcast propaganda.

so removing redundant code seems natural.. call it a spring clean exercise

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March 30, 2017, 08:40:28 AM
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Sometimes I think I'm posting to a brick wall.

I've been saying that we need shorter block generation times, and smaller blocks (500Mb)  for well over a year.

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March 30, 2017, 01:52:48 PM
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Sometimes I think I'm posting to a brick wall.

I've been saying that we need shorter block generation times, and smaller blocks (500Mb)  for well over a year.

remember the 10 minute thing is not a 10 minute thing(in code)

its a difficulty with hopes that 2016 blocks are  made in 2 weeks.
its then the human mind that away from bitcoin code, which then does some maths to realise that it averages 10 minutes. and is only "10 minutes" at conversation level, not code level
sometimes though reality reveals a block is solved in just a couple minutes or nearly an hour.. but blocks are not locked to 10minutes and 0 seconds.

in short: there is no "10 minutes" in the code..

now if you want4032 blocks in 2 weeks (to human brain maths away from code, average 5min)
expect luck to make blocks in say 1 minute more often and still have some blocks taking an hour

this issues with (human brain 5 minutes)
1. 10mins or 5 mins or 2 minutes.. still are too long for the 'grocery checkout line experience'
2. due to the amount time to see a new block, download it verify it and be ready to relay it out.. multiplied by each relay hop.. (propagation time) can cause issues if there is not a healthy gap between blocks
3. changing a couple lines of code to get dynamics vs changing block reward, difficulty, halving reward schedule, etc.. you prefer to stupidly scrambling all the rules rather than just changing one.

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March 30, 2017, 02:21:50 PM
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Sometimes I think I'm posting to a brick wall.

I've been saying that we need shorter block generation times, and smaller blocks (500Mb)  for well over a year.

Faster 1-conf transactions are not bitcoin's big issue though.

Why do you feel that is the most pressing matter?

Obviously that is not going to help anything if
there's a logjam in the memepool unless you actually
increase bandwidth.  ...and making the blocks smaller
certainly goes against that anyway.


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