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March 29, 2017, 08:24:44 AM
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In the future,BITCCOIN Will also continue in the position of the virtual currency system Ranked first?
bitcoin is not a "virtual" currency it is a real currency. it doesn't get any more real than that.
and so far bitcoin has been and still is the onlycryptocurrency that exists. all the rest are trading toys called altcoin which are falsely using the word coin or currency in their description.

Although most of the virtual currency acquired from BTC the original design, but the virtual currency would significantly more than BTC development.
i don't understand this sentence Cheesy

The intelligence of the ETH contract, for example, the DASH of pos node development are far more than BTC
if you really think that, and if you are really ok with a centralized coin and a coin with a significant amount of premine, and a coin that has whales controlling the price and pump and dump it 50%-200% then go ahead and use them nobody is preventing you Wink

And BTC is now facing a simple Blockchain congestion problem
the only problem that bitcoin is facing is the spam attack and nothing else.

In the future, all kinds of virtual currencies rise, BTC will in no. 1?
duplicate of your first question!


Yes, BTC is indeed a pioneer, but 1 MB Blockchain, bring me a lot of trouble, but also accelerate the confirmation fee is higher and higher
it is not the 1MB block size that "brings you a lot of trouble" it is the spam attack and there is a big difference.

makes me have to choose other virtual currency for transfer of property Embarrassed
what other altcoin did you use to transfer! and who even accepts them in the world! nobody that's who Smiley


I don't think that Ethereum is going to destroy Bitcoin or anything but you're just completely in denial about how Bitcoin is doing and how it will continue to do.  Today, I sent a normal transaction of a fairly small amount of Bitcoin and to get it confirmed within an hour I had to pay a fee of more than 2mBTC.  It's really bad, and no matter how much people meaninglessly scream "shitcoin" it's not going to stop Ethereum having more than a quarter of Bitcoin's market cap, which it does.

It's not just an attack on the network either.  Bitcoin's transaction volume has been steadily going up with its price for a long time and its usage has just objectively reached its limit.  

I expected to look at Ethereum's transaction volume and conclude that the price rise is just a pump, but its transaction volume is about the same fraction of Bitcoin's as its market cap, which is very surprising to me.  It really is getting somewhere and we need to stop shouting at people who admit that (or trying to shut them up).
I agree with your point of view the high fees is really bad Embarrassed
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March 29, 2017, 08:28:13 AM
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I'm getting tired of seeing this kind of thread everyday. Bitcoin is still above $1000, what kind of potential for bitcoin is the OP looking? Are you looking for $1500 price and say that bitcoin is no. 1 crypto? Bitcoin has far face challenges before and still survived. I thought the level of FUD has minimized, but somehow there are still on it everyday spreading the same lies. I'm just shaking my head and ask myself the question, what purpose they really want in twisting the truth.  Shocked

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March 29, 2017, 08:38:20 AM
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Hey concern trolls, if you think bitcoin is 'dead' then get developing.

That's a more constructive use of everyone's time.
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March 29, 2017, 08:46:12 AM
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I don't think that Ethereum is going to destroy Bitcoin or anything but you're just completely in denial about how Bitcoin is doing and how it will continue to do.  Today, I sent a normal transaction of a fairly small amount of Bitcoin and to get it confirmed within an hour I had to pay a fee of more than 2mBTC.  It's really bad,
did you see anywhere that i am denying the fact that fees have gone up? of course not, i am just as pissed as anybody else. but to say it is a problem and bitcoin is going to hell is just dumb! so you used to pay a low fee and now you are paying 30-40 cents per transaction, that is not called "a lot of trouble"

and no matter how much people meaninglessly scream "shitcoin" it's not going to stop Ethereum having more than a quarter of Bitcoin's market cap, which it does.
market cap is not a valid thing to compare cryptocurrencies.

but since you like it let me explain. this is what ETH did:
they held an ICO and controlled a big chunk of then 80 million coins in their own hands. then there is no max supply for the coin so new coins are being mined nonstop, right now it is around 90 million coins. a simple calculation is 90 million * price = market cap
but the problem is the 90 million coins are not in circulation. i would be surprised if i know anything more than 10 million is open to public. which means real ETH market cap is 1/9 of what it is now.

It's not just an attack on the network either.  Bitcoin's transaction volume has been steadily going up with its price for a long time and its usage has just objectively reached its limit. 
you are right about the usage going up but not about the attack.  you need to watch the mempool a bit then you'll understand. when some entity(s) start injecting the mempool with hundreds of transaction in a couple of seconds and continue keeping the number up for days.
click on some of the transactions and look at them carefully. you can even find some topics in this board about it.

I expected to look at Ethereum's transaction volume and conclude that the price rise is just a pump, but its transaction volume is about the same fraction of Bitcoin's as its market cap, which is very surprising to me.  It really is getting somewhere and we need to stop shouting at people who admit that (or trying to shut them up).
i am not trying to shut anybody up, i just can't stand nonsense Smiley
with that said i am very interested to see what people say about ethereum in a year (on 2018-3-29) when the blockchain size of it is 400-500 GB and there were only a handful of nodes available making the security practically non-existant, when there has been another non-consensus-hard-fork which splits ETH to another 2 chains (3 in total) and when there is another exploit like DAO or even when another serious bug were found in the poorly written code.
or when the attackers on bitcoin decided to pay a visit to ETH blockchain Wink

Weak hands have been complaining about missing out ever since bitcoin was $1 and never buy the dip.
Whales are those who keep buying the dip.
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March 29, 2017, 08:59:32 AM
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In the future,BITCCOIN Will also continue in the position of the virtual currency system Ranked first?

Although most of the virtual currency acquired from BTC the original design, but the virtual currency would significantly more than BTC development.

The intelligence of the ETH contract, for example, the DASH of pos node development are far more than BTC

And BTC is now facing a simple Blockchain congestion problem

In the future, all kinds of virtual currencies rise, BTC will in no. 1?

Please friendly to your comments.

I said the wrong place please correct me

My English is not very good, I'm sorry Smiley

You make good points.  Bitcoin still has potential because it is the first mover, but it is quickly losing ground to competitors.  I feel a lot of people here are in deep denial about what is really happening, but I am still hopeful.


We have competent dev in Bitcoin, definitely they will come to their senses else if their only objective is to destroy Bitcoin then the doomsday cannot be stopped.  I am also hopeful that this  political conflict will come to an end and let Bitcoin move forward.  I believe that if this two (BU and BC} come into terms no one can stop Bitcoin to continuously rule the cryptocurrency.
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March 29, 2017, 09:00:06 AM
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The potential of bitcoin will never be over.

Bitcoin IS digital currency. Its spawned hundreds of imitators.

Bitcoin will always be bitcoin.

Alts will come and go. Some are so uncreative that they have to use the word "Bitcoin" in their name, even though 99.999% of their code is lifted straight from bitcoin.

The potential of bitcoin - compared to every single other cryptocurrency in existence - is wide open. The nearest competition is not even close. Instead of offering verifiable improvements, the main strategy of the most well-funded imitators is to confuse people into thinking it's the same thing as bitcoin.


And yes I'm talking about BU, of course, which is disgustingly shameless, and the essence of reptilian greed. Its the epitome of valuing one's own affluence over the welfare of mankind.

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March 29, 2017, 09:06:28 AM
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Come on guys - it's not the 1Mb blocksize that is the problem, it is the transaction processing. Larger blocks is just one simplistic ( and not very good imho) solution to provide a short term "solution",

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March 29, 2017, 09:08:10 AM
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If you are investor you need to continue that bitcoin will gives us profit, the potential of bitcoin is never lost mean it. More people give negative speculation for the biggest dump of bitcoin and if your faith in bitcoin is weak i think you will be do panic selling of your investment which is not good for the investor.
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March 29, 2017, 09:14:27 AM
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Why so many black thoughts and predictions on Bitcoin lately? Because of price dump? It's not the end of the world and Bitcoin if there are some issues appearing. Bitcoin still has a lot potential that is unexplored and that needs to be used in right way. Don't give up on Bitcoin people!

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March 29, 2017, 10:04:20 AM
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Why so many black thoughts and predictions on Bitcoin lately? Because of price dump? It's not the end of the world and Bitcoin if there are some issues appearing. Bitcoin still has a lot potential that is unexplored and that needs to be used in right way. Don't give up on Bitcoin people!
No, no, I or most people did not mean to discredit BTC, only on BTC encounter bottlenecks, feel trouble, even if the BTC have the best team in the world, but they still didn't change the BTC
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March 29, 2017, 10:08:14 AM
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OP is a altcoin bagholder, this is without doubt a certainty. Either that, or the OP is clearly lacking adequate education and understanding for complex problems such as scaling, governance, et. al.

The intelligence of the ETH contract
ETH style contacts are going to be in Bitcoin in June, therefore ETH loses its advantage: https://bravenewcoin.com/news/ethereum-style-smart-contracts-are-coming-to-bitcoin-in-june/

for example, the DASH of pos node development are far more than BTC
DASH is a centralized, instamined scam. If you support DASH you are either delusional or very greedy.

And BTC is now facing a simple Blockchain congestion problem
Every single altcoin will face the same problem.

Looks like OP, and the people similar to him/her should let others do the thinking for them (until he/her/it gains the necessary knowledge to form a proper opinion).

Why so many black thoughts and predictions on Bitcoin lately? Because of price dump? It's not the end of the world and Bitcoin if there are some issues appearing. Bitcoin still has a lot potential that is unexplored and that needs to be used in right way. Don't give up on Bitcoin people!
The price means absolutely nothing. Look at ETH, 4.5 billion cap with zero actual real world usage.

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Larger blocks is just one simplistic ( and not very good imho) solution to provide a short term "solution",
Which leads to centralization if you trade-off too much. If you want a centralized coin that is run by a 'High King', then go buy ETH.

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March 29, 2017, 10:11:07 AM
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In the future,BITCCOIN Will also continue in the position of the virtual currency system Ranked first?

There's a good chance that Bitcoin will lose his edge and another coin will step up.
But that moment is still very far. Right now there's a "bottleneck", but Bitcoin will pass it and evolve.
Although it's evolving slowly, maybe too slow, Bitcoin is quite mature now (so it may not need to evolve that much in the future) and it has a huge industry behind it. Bitcoin will need something really big to happen in order to lose his lead. And the competitor may not be even "born" yet.

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March 29, 2017, 10:11:37 AM
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If you are investor you need to continue that bitcoin will gives us profit, the potential of bitcoin is never lost mean it. More people give negative speculation for the biggest dump of bitcoin and if your faith in bitcoin is weak i think you will be do panic selling of your investment which is not good for the investor.
I still support the BTC, my concern is BTC in Blockchain bottleneck problem, rather than on the investment, although there are direct relationship between the two.
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March 29, 2017, 10:26:16 AM
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But that moment is still very far. Right now there's a "bottleneck", but Bitcoin will pass it and evolve.
Remind me again which decentralized blockchain has solved the scaling problem? Oh right, noone has.

Although it's evolving slowly, maybe too slow,
It's evolving quite rapidly. You aren't looking at the right places.

Bitcoin will need something really big to happen in order to lose his lead. And the competitor may not be even "born" yet.
A bankster banked coin such as ETH, where centralization is favorable and arguably desirable (as it currently is), can easily surpass Bitcoin in terms of market cap. The banks can shove a billion or two directly into the market without blinking. This however does not mean that a coin is even nearly as successful as Bitcoin is.

I still support the BTC, my concern is BTC in Blockchain bottleneck problem, rather than on the investment, although there are direct relationship between the two.
There is no "direct" relationship; you are making things up. Every coin is going to face the scaling issue if there is adequate demand for it.

I'm tired of these "pretend newbies" spreading doomsday propaganda. These threads should be locked and trashed if the OP doesn't provide at least somewhat valid reasoning based on science and intellect.

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March 29, 2017, 10:45:09 AM
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If you think the potential of Bitcoin is over then you have see nothing yet. Bitcoin can be more powerfull than that. Telling it's over, is really under estimate what bitcoin can do with the time
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March 29, 2017, 11:28:56 AM
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If you think the potential of Bitcoin is over then you have see nothing yet. Bitcoin can be more powerfull than that. Telling it's over, is really under estimate what bitcoin can do with the time
Maybe time can prove everything, but currently BTC problem is very serious
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March 29, 2017, 11:37:01 AM
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The BTC has great potential, it has grown tremendously and achieved tremendous achievements, what it has achieved no other currency can repeat. It is the pioneer and the leader of all. No matter what happens, it will never collapse. Perhaps it is experiencing problems, but I believe we can solve it, an experienced king like bitcoin always knows how to overcome difficulties. Other currencies can grow and grow, because its technology is superior, but it can not replace bitcoin. I'm sure about that.
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the only problem that bitcoin is facing is the spam attack and nothing else.

The 1MB limit IS causing the spam problem, and Blockstream/Core continue to do nothing about it.

Today Bitcoin tx traffic have already reached 1MB every 10mins, since the blocksize limit is also 1MB and you only get 1 block every 10mins on average, spammers can now easily flood the mempool by generating a small amount of tx.

Once the mempool is flooded, tx takes longer to process, users get impatient, they pay more fees, fees go up, miners process higher fee tx first, all the minimum fee spam stay stuck at the bottom of the mempool, they timeout and get deleted before being processed by miners.

If spammers don't set a minimum fee in their spam, the spam will be dropped by nodes before reaching the mempool, but spammer only pay the fee when the tx is actually processed by miners.

So, once the mempool is full and the fee is high, spammer's spam never get processed, spammer can continue to flood the mempool for days paying zero fee.

Blockstream refused to increase the blocksize, so we get huge 50000tx mempool backlog today, because spammers don't have to pay their fees.

If they increase the blocksize, then for every 1MB blocksize increase, we can fit another 2000 tx per block, at 4MB we can fit 8000tx per block.

If normal traffic is 1M and the limit is 4M, spammer have to pay a very high combined min fee to flood a block (min fee x 8000 per block), then, if they continue to spam, any mishap, such as miners get lucky and mine a few blocks quickly within 10 minutes, 'eating' all the spam, then spammers have to pay the fee for almost the entire 4MB spam block.

At 4MB, it'll be too costly for spammers to spam, until normal traffic reaches 4MB and they can flood without paying fee again.

If we increase the blocksize from 1MB to 2MB or 4MB now, it will give room for Bitcoin to grow as well as reduce spam.

This truth is so simple that's why Blockstream/Core have to create all kinds of red herrings/bullshit excuses/censorships/trolls to justify keeping the blocksize at 1MB. If they stop distracting you from the actual and simple problem for just 1 second, you'll immediately find out they've been lying their asses off for years.

The 1MB limit was added in 2010 because tx fee was 0 at the time, the network was young and was growing slowly, average block size was less than 1k, and Satoshi didn't want to see the blockchain full of 32MB blocks filled with 0 fee spam.

You keep hearing all these fuck face morons talking about how SW/LN will save the day, or that we can't keep increasing the blocksize forever, but at this moment Bitcoin isn't even popular enough for SW/LN, the safety limit is above 4MB, we shouldn't even talk about side chains until we have enough tx to fill 4MB blocks every 10 minutes, or 13tx/sec (we are only at 3tx/sec at the moment).

We are having a tx jam right now, so by not increasing the blocksize limit, Blockstream/Core either have absolutely no idea what they're doing, or they're just pricks blatantly lying their asses off.
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March 29, 2017, 11:44:51 AM
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The BTC has great potential, it has grown tremendously and achieved tremendous achievements, what it has achieved no other currency can repeat. It is the pioneer and the leader of all. No matter what happens, it will never collapse. Perhaps it is experiencing problems, but I believe we can solve it, an experienced king like bitcoin always knows how to overcome difficulties. Other currencies can grow and grow, because its technology is superior, but it can not replace bitcoin. I'm sure about that.
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Yes, no one can take the place of the BTC in virtual currency, which I agree, but other currencies than the BTC can do better, this is the development trend of the whole block chain
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March 29, 2017, 11:51:47 AM
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The BTC has great potential, it has grown tremendously and achieved tremendous achievements, what it has achieved no other currency can repeat. It is the pioneer and the leader of all. No matter what happens, it will never collapse. Perhaps it is experiencing problems, but I believe we can solve it, an experienced king like bitcoin always knows how to overcome difficulties. Other currencies can grow and grow, because its technology is superior, but it can not replace bitcoin. I'm sure about that.
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Yes, no one can take the place of the BTC in virtual currency, which I agree, but other currencies than the BTC can do better, this is the development trend of the whole block chain


Many governments and bank sector are showing a lot of interest towards blockchain technology. Bitcoin is only digital currency leading all the other currencies. Of course, many people are kept predicting bitcoin growth is over, we don't know what is going to happen to us. We have to move according to market that's all.
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