Minexcoin - A new era of payments

[Dirtpaw]

@TeMHuK Is it true that after both blockchain Developers quit now  UX Designer AND Chief Strategist Officer both leave MinexSystem and get away from this  sinking ship overloaded with Boris's lies?
you know everything ...do you have answer on this?

Mate, I don't know what's going on in MNX office. Even if someone is leaving that mean someone is coming in. That is normal thing in any business. Minexsystems is big company, not startup in garage where leaving of any single person is critical.

Sure. Big company but no progress on roadmap and whitepaper. Dont tell me all 20 devs are working on "cards". I hope Mastercard bans them and Chain2pay loses its licences.  

No one can ban cards. Since the cards work officially with cryptocurrencies. You are a complete idiot with your friends trolls .. As soon as you see the inscriptions on the cards, you will close your mouth and hide in your hole .. 

Big man calling me names. Oh im so scared of mnx shills. Enjoy your lies and worthless coins and unbranded old technology. Soon your cryptocards will be useless anyway.

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[TeMHuK]

Minexcoin already sent cards to customers!

Do dot believe to anything what typing Jollycunt here. Making lies is his job. 

[akira128]

@TeMHuK Is it true that after both blockchain Developers quit now  UX Designer AND Chief Strategist Officer both leave MinexSystem and get away from this  sinking ship overloaded with Boris's lies?
you know everything ...do you have answer on this?

Mate, I don't know what's going on in MNX office. Even if someone is leaving that mean someone is coming in. That is normal thing in any business. Minexsystems is big company, not startup in garage where leaving of any single person is critical.

Sure. Big company but no progress on roadmap and whitepaper. Dont tell me all 20 devs are working on "cards". I hope Mastercard bans them and Chain2pay loses its licences.  

No one can ban cards. Since the cards work officially with cryptocurrencies. You are a complete idiot with your friends trolls .. As soon as you see the inscriptions on the cards, you will close your mouth and hide in your hole .. http://arcanumclub.ru/smiles/smile3.gif http://arcanumclub.ru/smiles/smile3.gif http://arcanumclub.ru/smiles/smile3.gif

Big man calling me names. Oh im so scared of mnx shills. Enjoy your lies and worthless coins and unbranded old technology. Soon your cryptocards will be useless anyway.

Why are these Trolls still posting? Dude, we get it, you have a negative outlook on MNX. You've said your piece and now it's time to move on.

[Dirtpaw]

@TeMHuK Is it true that after both blockchain Developers quit now  UX Designer AND Chief Strategist Officer both leave MinexSystem and get away from this  sinking ship overloaded with Boris's lies?
you know everything ...do you have answer on this?

Mate, I don't know what's going on in MNX office. Even if someone is leaving that mean someone is coming in. That is normal thing in any business. Minexsystems is big company, not startup in garage where leaving of any single person is critical.

Sure. Big company but no progress on roadmap and whitepaper. Dont tell me all 20 devs are working on "cards". I hope Mastercard bans them and Chain2pay loses its licences.  

No one can ban cards. Since the cards work officially with cryptocurrencies. You are a complete idiot with your friends trolls .. As soon as you see the inscriptions on the cards, you will close your mouth and hide in your hole .. 

Big man calling me names. Oh im so scared of mnx shills. Enjoy your lies and worthless coins and unbranded old technology. Soon your cryptocards will be useless anyway.

Why are these Trolls still posting? Dude, we get it, you have a negative outlook on MNX. You've said your piece and now it's time to move on.

Why? I tell you why. To warn future investors not to invest into this poopcoin that is filled with lies, deception and bad management. This whole project is fraudulent, ICO never should have finished and they should have returned everyones btc. But no some magical eu bank suddenly appeared and bought all mnx with btc. Bank buying shitcoins with btc in 2016. Sure. And i am santa claus.

[JollyGood]

@TeMHuK Is it true that after both blockchain Developers quit now  UX Designer AND Chief Strategist Officer both leave MinexSystem and get away from this  sinking ship overloaded with Boris's lies?
you know everything ...do you have answer on this?

Mate, I don't know what's going on in MNX office. Even if someone is leaving that mean someone is coming in. That is normal thing in any business. Minexsystems is big company, not startup in garage where leaving of any single person is critical.

Sure. Big company but no progress on roadmap and whitepaper. Dont tell me all 20 devs are working on "cards". I hope Mastercard bans them and Chain2pay loses its licences.  

No one can ban cards. Since the cards work officially with cryptocurrencies. You are a complete idiot with your friends trolls .. As soon as you see the inscriptions on the cards, you will close your mouth and hide in your hole .. 

Big man calling me names. Oh im so scared of mnx shills. Enjoy your lies and worthless coins and unbranded old technology. Soon your cryptocards will be useless anyway.

As you say, they can enjoy their lies, worthless coins and this outdated technology along with their unbranded cards for now because Mastercard will take action when they find out about this scam

[Bgbolahan]

i'm up to date 999 blocks
now that we have mnx wallet, why we can not transfer the coins from ICO in wallet? the coins from bounty?
who and how gave us the % of XCoin parked?
so many questions!

Wait for 2nd August.

you are brainwashed by them. why to wait till 2nd August? why the coin is not released a few days ago like they promised? why minexbank its not official released?
why to wait to be on exchange to transfer my coins from ICO? whats the point?
i have coins from ICO? i have!
I have the wallet? I have!
so why dont let us to transfer our coins? i want technical explication!
its nonsens!

Hello!

We have official news, which we quite often publish in our official channels and here in the thread.
The release of the MinexCoin was on Friday, 21th of July.
The MNXCore released on Linux and on Windows (64bit)
We previously said that the exchange will be available two or three weeks after the end of the test version. The test version ended on July 25th. We are planning to be listed on exchange already 2th of August.
If you have ICO coins you can move your bounty mnx after 1-2th of August, when we will be launched on exchange. In your account you will see special tab for move your bounty coins to your wallet. And then you can transfer your mnx to exchange.
All the work is done consistently and it is impossible to release everything at once in one day. You should understand this.
We have deadlines and we try to adhere our deadlines.


Don't worry, please.
Thank you for patience.

Just look at these Minexcoin/Minexpay/Minexsystem scammers. Their problems have been going on from day one of their existence.

This is no way to run a company especially that has an ICO. Playing with investment that other people sent is disgraceful.

No Minexpay cards have been created

No Minexpay cards have been sent out

No Minexpay cards have been received

There is no contract between Minexpay/Minexsystem/Minexcoin/Chain2Pay and an authorised VISA/Mastercard program manager to create and potentially send out Minexpay branded cards.

There are not confirmed stories that third party non-Minexpay branded Mastercards have been sent out to fool gullible investors and newbies but they will be terminated by Mastercards when they find out that Minexcoin/Minexsystem/Minexpay have tried to go around their strict rules that are designed to protect innocent people from thieves and scammers such as Minexcoin/Minexsystem/Minexpay and all its inner circle scammer alliance consisting of Temhuk and Racquemis1 along with paid trolls such as Jedgar, yurez83, akira128 among others.

Card was sent on Saturday and how can you expect them to receive today?

[akira128]

@TeMHuK Is it true that after both blockchain Developers quit now  UX Designer AND Chief Strategist Officer both leave MinexSystem and get away from this  sinking ship overloaded with Boris's lies?
you know everything ...do you have answer on this?

Mate, I don't know what's going on in MNX office. Even if someone is leaving that mean someone is coming in. That is normal thing in any business. Minexsystems is big company, not startup in garage where leaving of any single person is critical.

Sure. Big company but no progress on roadmap and whitepaper. Dont tell me all 20 devs are working on "cards". I hope Mastercard bans them and Chain2pay loses its licences.  

No one can ban cards. Since the cards work officially with cryptocurrencies. You are a complete idiot with your friends trolls .. As soon as you see the inscriptions on the cards, you will close your mouth and hide in your hole .. http://arcanumclub.ru/smiles/smile3.gif http://arcanumclub.ru/smiles/smile3.gif http://arcanumclub.ru/smiles/smile3.gif

Big man calling me names. Oh im so scared of mnx shills. Enjoy your lies and worthless coins and unbranded old technology. Soon your cryptocards will be useless anyway.

Why are these Trolls still posting? Dude, we get it, you have a negative outlook on MNX. You've said your piece and now it's time to move on.

Why? I tell you why. To warn future investors not to invest into this poopcoin that is filled with lies, deception and bad management. This whole project is fraudulent, ICO never should have finished and they should have returned everyones btc. But no some magical eu bank suddenly appeared and bought all mnx with btc. Bank buying shitcoins with btc in 2016. Sure. And i am santa claus.

Forgive me for being a bit cynical. It's just so hard to believe that there are all these genuinely good people with good intentions that feel the need to warn all of these 'gullible' investors -- that are just lining up to dump their life savings into MNX. But thank God that your here on the front lines ready to save them from themselves. It's much more plausible that you lost money on MNX, now you want to bitch and moan for all eternity.

[JollyGood]

Well, physically the cards already exist or have not yet been printed? if there can be a couple of photos of what they look like in the real world, not from photoshop.

No,they are not existing. Actually, for months ,Minex is advertising payment cards  with specific features, known fees&limits ,despite they have never had any contract with bank or card issuer.

Well for months I've seen you and the other fudders advertising MNX  as scam without hard evidence either. There is absolutely no difference. Your doing the exact same thing. Hypocrite.

Hard evidence is there.

You are rejecting reality and substituting it with your own flavour of bullshit as you're the main Minex pool operator.

As thunderjet said, how the fuck are you even giving card limit amounts and fees when you don't even have a bank or card issuer.

That's already false advertising straight off the bat.

coupled with that Novarise clusterfuck and the CSOB crap.

You might be able to rally some gullible investards but those of us who've been around this forum long enough know how to detect bs.

And Minex's full of it.

 

Their false advertising is going to get them in trouble.

On their website no mention is made of unbranded Minexpay cards and they show their photoshop cards instead. In reality they say away from the Minexpay website that they will be sending out third party unbranded cards.

With no deal in place with any authorised card program manager, they are just buying existing third party cards in bulk and passing them off as "our cards" when all they will do is use an API to bypass VISA/Mastercard protocols to add balance to this third party card and it means the cards will be cancelled by VISA/Mastercard and the company that colluded with Minex to get the cards will lose their licence.

Shame on these scammers at Minexcoin/Minexsystem/Minexpay and all its inner circle scammer alliance consisting of Temhuk and Racquemis1 along with paid trolls such as Jedgar, yurez83, akira128 among others.

[Dirtpaw]

@TeMHuK Is it true that after both blockchain Developers quit now  UX Designer AND Chief Strategist Officer both leave MinexSystem and get away from this  sinking ship overloaded with Boris's lies?
you know everything ...do you have answer on this?

Mate, I don't know what's going on in MNX office. Even if someone is leaving that mean someone is coming in. That is normal thing in any business. Minexsystems is big company, not startup in garage where leaving of any single person is critical.

Sure. Big company but no progress on roadmap and whitepaper. Dont tell me all 20 devs are working on "cards". I hope Mastercard bans them and Chain2pay loses its licences.  

No one can ban cards. Since the cards work officially with cryptocurrencies. You are a complete idiot with your friends trolls .. As soon as you see the inscriptions on the cards, you will close your mouth and hide in your hole ..

Big man calling me names. Oh im so scared of mnx shills. Enjoy your lies and worthless coins and unbranded old technology. Soon your cryptocards will be useless anyway.

Why are these Trolls still posting? Dude, we get it, you have a negative outlook on MNX. You've said your piece and now it's time to move on.

Why? I tell you why. To warn future investors not to invest into this poopcoin that is filled with lies, deception and bad management. This whole project is fraudulent, ICO never should have finished and they should have returned everyones btc. But no some magical eu bank suddenly appeared and bought all mnx with btc. Bank buying shitcoins with btc in 2016. Sure. And i am santa claus.

Forgive me for being a bit cynical. It's just so hard to believe that there are all these genuinely good people with good intentions that feel the need to warn all of these 'gullible' investors -- that are just lining up to dump their life savings into MNX. But thank God that your here on the front lines ready to save them from themselves. It's much more plausible that you lost money on MNX, now you want to bitch and moan for all eternity.

The thing with ponzies is that when you get in early you cant lose money. I milked minexbank over a year and sold all throughout the year so no I didnt lose any money from this shitcoin. I just milked it and moved on. Same was with masternode coins. Get in, milk it as long as it is profitable and then dump shitcoins to next fools trying to get rich with shitty altcoins.

[dejan_p]

The thing with ponzies is that when you get in early you cant lose money. I milked minexbank over a year and sold all throughout the year so no I didnt lose any money from this shitcoin. I just milked it and moved on. Same was with masternode coins. Get in, milk it as long as it is profitable and then dump shitcoins to next fools trying to get rich with shitty altcoins.

yet again, your ONLY activity in the forum is in the mnx thread

hey, Robin Hood of btctalk, thou who shall protect others from investing in this ponzi, why don't you go to other coin threads which you milked so nice and tell everyone not to invest

we are very happy for your milking skills, from now on, you shall be referred to as "Dirtpaw the coin MILKER"

[Dirtpaw]

The thing with ponzies is that when you get in early you cant lose money. I milked minexbank over a year and sold all throughout the year so no I didnt lose any money from this shitcoin. I just milked it and moved on. Same was with masternode coins. Get in, milk it as long as it is profitable and then dump shitcoins to next fools trying to get rich with shitty altcoins.

yet again, your ONLY activity in the forum is in the mnx thread

hey, Robin Hood of btctalk, thou who shall protect others from investing in this ponzi, why don't you go to other coin threads which you milked so nice and tell everyone not to invest

we are very happy for your milking skills, from now on, you shall be referred to as "Dirtpaw the coin MILKER"

Roger that Dejan the stalker.

[thunderjet]

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- Two Mastercard Master service providers(they have license obtained directly from Mastercard) with worldwide license Epayments and Wagecan allowed that money related from selling cryptocurencies flows to some of theirs cards without getting Mastercard approval for that. Due to violations of agreement ,Mastercard revoked licenses given to them.

 

Tell this to my Epayments card that is working like a charm  

MNX card  is more advanced than any other and is design to work around any restriction imposed either by government or Mastercard/Visa.  

All your  efforts to learn how MNX cards  work and   prevent their integration into cryptoworld are for nothing.   _o|_o

You are stupid idiot. I said that Mastercard revoked licenses to Epayments and Wagecan to issue new cards.Old cards function ,but if you lost Epayments card you cant get  new again,because they lost license to issue new ones. If Mastercard did that to Epayments and Wagecan as theirs master service provider, you can only imagine what they will do with Boris little scheme

You are on Minex paylist. Simple and not to smart troll,working for Boris breadcrumbs.

Dont have any arguments,just bunch of insults and that is not sign of some IQ  

Bye!

[JollyGood]

Forgive me for being a bit cynical. It's just so hard to believe that there are all these genuinely good people with good intentions that feel the need to warn all of these 'gullible' investors -- that are just lining up to dump their life savings into MNX. But thank God that your here on the front lines ready to save them from themselves. It's much more plausible that you lost money on MNX, now you want to bitch and moan for all eternity.

The thing with ponzies is that when you get in early you cant lose money. I milked minexbank over a year and sold all throughout the year so no I didnt lose any money from this shitcoin. I just milked it and moved on. Same was with masternode coins. Get in, milk it as long as it is profitable and then dump shitcoins to next fools trying to get rich with shitty altcoins.

And that is the way to go because you played the scammers at their own game, made a profit and dumped their useless and worthless coins on to them before getting out before the house cards fell down.

Well done  

[pricasde]

Forgive me for being a bit cynical. It's just so hard to believe that there are all these genuinely good people with good intentions that feel the need to warn all of these 'gullible' investors -- that are just lining up to dump their life savings into MNX. But thank God that your here on the front lines ready to save them from themselves. It's much more plausible that you lost money on MNX, now you want to bitch and moan for all eternity.

The thing with ponzies is that when you get in early you cant lose money. I milked minexbank over a year and sold all throughout the year so no I didnt lose any money from this shitcoin. I just milked it and moved on. Same was with masternode coins. Get in, milk it as long as it is profitable and then dump shitcoins to next fools trying to get rich with shitty altcoins.

And that is the way to go because you played the scammers at their own game, made a profit and dumped their useless and worthless coins on to them before getting out before the house cards fell down.

Well done  

This is the right trading strategy. but most community members make mistakes and lose money.

[thunderjet]

Well, physically the cards already exist or have not yet been printed? if there can be a couple of photos of what they look like in the real world, not from photoshop.

No,they are not existing. Actually, for months ,Minex is advertising payment cards  with specific features, known fees&limits ,despite they have never had any contract with bank or card issuer.

Well for months I've seen you and the other fudders advertising MNX  as scam without hard evidence either. There is absolutely no difference. Your doing the exact same thing. Hypocrite.

Hard evidence is there.

You are rejecting reality and substituting it with your own flavour of bullshit as you're the main Minex pool operator.

As thunderjet said, how the fuck are you even giving card limit amounts and fees when you don't even have a bank or card issuer.

That's already false advertising straight off the bat.

coupled with that Novarise clusterfuck and the CSOB crap.

You might be able to rally some gullible investards but those of us who've been around this forum long enough know how to detect bs.

And Minex's full of it.

 

Their false advertising is going to get them in trouble.

On their website no mention is made of unbranded Minexpay cards and they show their photoshop cards instead. In reality they say away from the Minexpay website that they will be sending out third party unbranded cards.

With no deal in place with any authorised card program manager, they are just buying existing third party cards in bulk and passing them off as "our cards" when all they will do is use an API to bypass VISA/Mastercard protocols to add balance to this third party card and it means the cards will be cancelled by VISA/Mastercard and the company that colluded with Minex to get the cards will lose their licence.

Shame on these scammers at Minexcoin/Minexsystem/Minexpay and all its inner circle scammer alliance consisting of Temhuk and Racquemis1 along with paid trolls such as Jedgar, yurez83, akira128 among others.

You were talking how Boris&company will go in prison. You cant imagine how you were right,though the reason is not Minex ,but tax evasion.

I obtained Boris complete business dossier. He has 3 companies in Ukraine. Ukraine police during the raid siezed documentation in one company and found that Boris(his company Domostroy-7 ,Reg. number - EDRPOU 39486496)) and his business buddies made a ring of 23 companies which presenting false documentation about false expenses and made a damage to the state of $241.000.Prosecution opened a criminal case on 14th. September this year due to tax evasions No. 753/8599/18 against him and his buddies.

Boris also had 2 business lawsuits in recents years.In one case he took money($ 22000) in advance to make some work  which he never did(sound familiar   ),so company with who he had a contract sued him and got him on court,of course. Court made decision on 14th.May 2018,case No. 910/764/18 . Name of Boris company is FK BUD, Reg. Number 36529767

In other case ,his third company - EVROBUD Ukraine , Reg. No.  36800848 bought some machines and instruments worth about $25000 from Hilti company. Of course ,Boris didnt pay for it and Hilti company sued him and got on court - case No. 5011-41 / 1743-2012

I have so many documentation about it and I will present it in full with pictures, registration data, court data,etc.

[JollyGood]

You were talking how Boris&company will go in prison. You cant imagine how you were right,though the reason is not Minex ,but tax evasion.

I obtained Boris complete business dossier. He has 3 companies in Ukraine. Ukraine police during the raid siezed documentation in one company and found that Boris(his company Domostroy-7 ,Reg. number - EDRPOU 39486496)) and his business buddies made a ring of 23 companies which presenting false documentation about false expenses and made a damage to the state of $241.000.Prosecution opened a criminal case on 14th. September this year due to tax evasions No. 753/8599/18 against him and his buddies.

Boris also had 2 business lawsuits in recents years.In one case he took money($ 22000) in advance to make some work  which he never did(sound familiar   ),so company with who he had a contract sued him and got him on court,of course. Court made decision on 14th.May 2018,case No. 910/764/18 . Name of Boris company is FK BUD, Reg. Number 36529767

In other case ,his third company - EVROBUD Ukraine , Reg. No.  36800848bought some machines and instruments worth about $25000 from Hilti company. Of course ,Boris didnt pay for it and Hilti company sued him and got on court - case No. 5011-41 / 1743-2012

I have so many documentation about it and I will present it in full with pictures, registration data, court data,etc.

Thank you!!

A great piece of investigative work by you thunderjet

I will definitely read up on all those companies and tax evasions by Borys the scammer to see what he has been doing.

Just the thought of Borys and co finally getting what they deserve makes me very happy.

Hopefully the Minex investors who will lose everything they invested will be able to feel a sense of justice when Borys and co are in police custody.

Excellent work. Thank you.

[TeMHuK]

Just another portion of lies from paid FUDders which are getting money for lies on forum.

I want to remind to everyone. First batch of 1000 cards was send to customers. They should be received soon.

[thunderjet]

You are stupid idiot. I said that Mastercard revoked licenses to Epayments and Wagecan to issue new cards.Old cards function ,but if you lost Epayments card you cant get  new again,because they lost license to issue new ones. If Mastercard did that to Epayments and Wagecan as theirs master service provider, you can only imagine what they will do with Boris little scheme

You are on Minex paylist. Simple and not to smart troll,working for Boris breadcrumbs.

Dont have any arguments,just bunch of insults and that is not sign of some IQ  

Bye!

Well, it follows if the license will be revoked to MNX cards issuer (which I must say is so likely as the collapse of sun) my MNX  card remains working, right , and it's all I need,  u son of bitch with IQ less than IQ  of your mother ass which spat out such bastard as yourself._o|_o

You forgot that Epayments and Wagecan were Master service Providers with worldwide licenses obtained from Mastercard directly and that only some of theirs card got money originated form selling cryptos.

Minex has no issuing contract ,license ,it is something completely illegal - Minex is using third party cards as theirs own, which Epayments and Wagecan never did.

Epayments and Wagecan made agreement breach, but Minex case is completely criminal due Minex has no agreement at all,so Minex cards will be banned without prior notice. You can count on it.

Cant blame me for your low IQ. It is not mine fault.

Iam sorry poor troll. I really am.

[zloy_hulk]

It is very sad when some company can't make a good product and begin to blame other one. Fudders, your job is very dirty and you are really shit people.

[thunderjet]

As I said in mine previuos post I obtained documentaion which will in detail present complete lack of business reputation of Minex CEO Boris Shulayev.How he took money and machines from other compaines and never did contracted work or paid for delivered equipment.He has 3 companies in Ukraine: Domostroy-7, EVROBUD Ukraine and FK BUD.



Few months ago Ukrainian police during the raid siezed documentation in one company and found that Boris(his company Domostroy-7 ,Reg. number - EDRPOU 39486496)) and his business buddies made a ring of 23 companies which presenting false documentation about false expenses and made a damage to the state of 6.638.120 UAH or $241.000.

Prosecution opened a criminal case on 14th. September this year due to tax evasions No. 753/8599/18 against him and his buddies.Documents and sites are on Ukranian language ,but you can use Google Translate and get pretty good transalation:


https://opendatabot.ua/c/39486496 - data about Boris ownership of company Domostroy-7


https://opendatabot.ua/court/76736195-c836655728df562e444f79dfcdd835cd - court document about criminal Case No. 753/17825/18 against Boris and his friends who formed ring of 23 companies,falsfied business documentation due to making VAT tax evasion and make a damage of  6.638.120 UAH or $241.000



















Boris second company FK BUD, Reg. No - EDRPOU 36529767, and registred for demolition activities had few Business court decisions due to taking money for never accomplished jobs or making damage to investors.

First court decision is from 7th.September 2018, Case No. 910/2770/18, where Transport Insurance Bureau of Ukraine sued Boris company due to property damage

Second court decision is from 14th.May 2018, Case No. 910/764/18, where company Spetsbud Monolit sued Boris company due to  taking money in advance 721294 UAH or $26300 for contracted works which Boris company never did


https://opendatabot.ua/c/36529767 - data about Boris ownership of company FK BUD


https://opendatabot.ua/court/75297522-c4afeb01c42bdef036c3d949a1c8af59 - court decision Case No. 910/2770/18 where Transport Insurance Bureau of Ukraine sued Boris company due to property damage


https://opendatabot.ua/court/74024139-f97b8e17857a51f3fc30c7d4a5f10cf0 - court decision  Case No. 910/764/18 , where company Spetsbud Monolit sued Boris company due to  taking money in advance 721294 UAH or $26300 for contracted works which Boris company never did












































Boris third company - Evrobud Ukraine, Reg.No. - EDRPOU 36800848 signed a contract in 2012 with Hilti company about buying equipment and instruments worth 188 760 UAH or $23600 at that time exchange rate.Boris company didnt paid for it and Hilti sued him and got on court Case No. 5011-41 / 1743-2012



https://opendatabot.ua/c/36800848 - data about Boris ownership of company EVROBUD Ukraine


https://opendatabot.ua/court/30654182-1fa3e35b9f25f305a962dbb2bebbc67c - court decision Case No. 5011-41 / 1743-2012