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April 10, 2017, 04:53:26 AM
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Hi, I've been lurking around the Trollbox in Poloniex for awhile and heard about this site so I decided I'd join in order to engage in more coherent and substantive discussion than can be found in a chatroom.

I've been spending the last month or so doing research on bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies because I see an opportunity to take an active role in growing my capital savings rather than letting it sit in a bank or treating it like disposable income. I have a nontechnical office job that allows me to maintain a positive cash flow, which I would like to leverage by investing and trading cryptocurrencies as I see that there have been several opportunities in the last few months alone to earn a substantial return on investment for those who got involved early. For example there have been giant upswings in Ethereum, Monero, Dash, and Ripple. I did read the stickied "newbie thread" in this forum, which to my disappointment dismissed "almost all" altcoins as "pump and dump" schemes built on hype. This seems to be quite cynical to me, as from my observations most of the coins that get "pumped" end up stabilizing at levels far above their initial value, even after the correction.

I am interested in learning how identify opportunities for swing trading these currencies by using research in conjunction with discussion on forums like these. I have found that on this forum in particular the amount of content and depth of discussion is vast, and most of those who participate seem to have extensive knowledge and experience both in the technical aspects of different altcoin and blockchain technologies as well as perspective on the history, present, and potential of these coins. The sheer number of different altcoins and the amount of information and discussion about each, both on this site and the web in general, is quite vast and somewhat intimidating. I would like to develop a strategy to apprise myself of the cryptocurrency landscape and get up to speed on the existing and upcoming altcoins so that I may learn how to evaluate them for potential trading and investment opportunities.

I have wired a sum of fiat currency (US) onto Kraken and am ready to begin evaluating profitable trades, but first I understand that I need to come up with a plan for what to read up on in a logical manner, rather than just choosing random subjects without having a definitive goal in mind. Any thoughtful insight and suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
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April 10, 2017, 10:07:22 AM
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This seems to be quite cynical to me, as from my observations most of the coins that get "pumped" end up stabilizing at levels far above their initial value, even after the correction.
This can't be true for every altcoins specially the one that have bounced back after being dead for so much time. Also this can't be true for coins that have just finished their ICO and got listed on trading platform quite late than they have promised.

I am interested in learning how identify opportunities for swing trading these currencies by using research in conjunction with discussion on forums like these.
Yes this forum is good to get in depth knowledge and updates about different alts and bitcoin but not all the information shared here can be real. You may get trapped by FUD created by whales. Do your own research and analysis before investing in anything.

I have wired a sum of fiat currency (US) onto Kraken and am ready to begin evaluating profitable trades, but first I understand that I need to come up with a plan for what to read up on in a logical manner, rather than just choosing random subjects without having a definitive goal in mind. Any thoughtful insight and suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
Kraken is good for bitcoin trading, but if you like to make good amount you should try altcoin trading which is available in poloniex and bittrex. Check them, but first go through all terms and condition they have.

Few more suggestions:
1. Don't buy anything that is pumping like hell in last 24 hour.
2. Don't sell anything you hold if price goes down by 10-20% overnight, it is normal swing for alts.
3. Don't follow any suggestions you may get from trollbox in trading platform or in twitter handles.
4. Don't panic on small pump and dump.
5. Wait for some correction in price to buy the alt that is pumping steadly in last few days. And only trade coins that have high marketcaps.
6. Invest in alts during ICO that have lots of potential and very competent developers behind.

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April 10, 2017, 01:48:29 PM
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I did read the stickied "newbie thread" in this forum, which to my disappointment dismissed "almost all" altcoins as "pump and dump" schemes built on hype. This seems to be quite cynical to me, as from my observations most of the coins that get "pumped" end up stabilizing at levels far above their initial value, even after the correction.
I don't think you understand just how many altcoins there are.  There are literally thousands of completely terrible altcoins being created all the time which are just rip offs of Bitcoin or rip offs of another specific alt.  All of them think they're better than they are, many of them die very quickly, many of them scam everyone and take the money, many of them get pumped and dumped before they die.  You'd be surprised how much money goes into those from naive investors thinking they'll get rich.  Poloniex only lists at least slightly legit coins, they don't list every little coin but still the majority of the coins on there get pumped and dumped a lot, and it's very hard for you to profit from those or predict when they're going to happen.

Coins like Ethereum and Monero are different because they have actual purposes - Ethereum is more of an investment system as I understand it (but I don't understand it very well and a lot of people just treat it as another cryptocurrency) while Monero has much stronger anonymity than Bitcoin and is used a lot of the dark web.  Some of these coins have started crashing already though - DASH was crap from the beginning, it was clearly a pump with the sudden rise to about $100 and it's already fell to about $60.  With this kind of coin that isn't very good but is marketed well enough to be popular, you just need to get in early and sell as soon as the price flattens out a bit.  With some coins, you'll have to sell while the price is going up, and ignore the potential that it'll go higher because it's just too risky.

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-You need to research the coin and how they distinguish themselves from other cryptocurrencies (and why that'll bring them more investors).  Don't take meaningless explanations claiming that it has instant, anonymous transactions, and don't take explanations if you don't fully understand them.  You should also ideally research the developers' history and anything you can find out about them so that you know it's not a scam (to be fair, not a lot of altcoins with any significant marketcap are scams which aren't obvious).

-You need to find the altcoin's subreddit.  Reddit is huge on altcoins and the altcoin should have a subreddit where they're likely to post information often.  You should also find the altcoin's ANN thread - all good altcoins have ANN threads on Bitcointalk, often before they're even released, so that should help you to get in early to a good coin, but don't jump on the first coin that appears.  Wait for peer review and feedback from other forum members (is it premined?  Is it a copy of another coin?) and you can use that information to help you make your own decisions later on.

-Don't hold all of your money in an exchange, keep some of it in an offline wallet called a software wallet (research that yourself), because Bitcoin related exchanges are pretty notorious after what happened with Mt. Gox.

-Don't jump on altcoins that are rising if you don't understand the graphs.  Trust me, you'll fail.  I've tried it.

-If you want simplicity, you don't have to trade your altcoin with Bitcoin.  You can trade it with USD Tether (USDT) which is a cryptocurrency permanently tied to the value of a US dollar.  This way, it'll be clearer how the altcoin charts are moving because it'll be against something more stable.

If you find a legitimate coin's ANN thread, it might be an ICO (Initial Coin Offering) which will let you put money into the coin and end up getting coins when the coin is created.  This is getting in really early, and if you find a good coin, it could be profitable.  Be aware of ICO scams, which happen regularly.


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April 10, 2017, 02:08:53 PM
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Few more suggestions:
1. Don't buy anything that is pumping like hell in last 24 hour.
2. Don't sell anything you hold if price goes down by 10-20% overnight, it is normal swing for alts.
3. Don't follow any suggestions you may get from trollbox in trading platform or in twitter handles.
4. Don't panic on small pump and dump.
5. Wait for some correction in price to buy the alt that is pumping steadly in last few days. And only trade coins that have high marketcaps.
6. Invest in alts during ICO that have lots of potential and very competent developers behind.

1. But sometimes it's best to follow the trend. Since altcoins always have a behaviour like that especially the new one, it's good to take advantage of that pumping hell. That hell can lead to it's peak that can give an investor a decent return. Since all our risky, it's worth a shot if they can able to ride on that particular movement which is normal in altcoin price movement.

2. Depends on the alt, most alts when experience a onetime price decrease after their pump, will continously goes down and have a coorection price for up to 200% as base price. The best thing to do here is; try to limit the amount that will risk in minimizing the loss purposes. Also it will depend on the current of a specific alt.

3. Likely agree. It's better to hear speculations from experienced traders but remember to don't take it as primary advice to do and just use it as reference. Eventually as a trader will continue to pursue his trading career, they can make their own analyzations to help them in their future trades.

4. Yes try to make our hands a strong one and not a weak hands. But it doesn't mean we have to stick in the idea of strong hands as sometimes weak hands can save our asses in the upcoming price crash.

5. Waiting for the correction is really advisable only if a trader are eyeing for a long term holding with the specific alt. And no, it's also worth a shot to trade coins that have low market capitalization. Traders are here to profit anyways.

6. That is a hard thing to do. It's easy to say that a certain alt have future but we can't guarantee the future of it even there roadmaps are bright. But that can't be applied on new coins on ICO so still it's up to the investors if they will find their luck at those coins on ICO.

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April 10, 2017, 02:19:59 PM
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I am interested in learning how identify opportunities for swing trading these currencies by using research in conjunction with discussion on forums like these.

You need to use more than just this forum! A lot of info here has an agenda - you have people pushing coins, you have bagholders trying to get others to buy so they can sell, and you have well-meaning people who don't know what they are talking about.

You need to read more than one source to get a true picture of things. I recommend reading reddit as well (they have loads of subreddits devoted to specific coins).

You might also want to follow the daily threads in the bitcoinmarkets subreddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/

 
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