Solution to immigrant crime?

[Okurkabinladin]

I have been thinking about issue with migration, legal and other. Specifically, its criminal, urban element.

Obviously, certain level of migration has been natural through out history. In some cases beneficial both for those migrating and their hosts.

What we are seeing today in western Europe are gangs of disenfranchised second and third generation migrants breaking laws, attacking property and bystanders in tragically misguided bravado as to somehow give their life some meaning.

Now, as living standarts in the west have been stagnant for the past several decades and affirmative action already took its toll on natives, it is obvious we simply cannot just provide limousines, whores and cocaine to every deprivated young man, who feels entitled to such "high standard".

What we can do is to respect culture these men from middle East, Africa and Asia came from.

Those cultures are all still clan based, scoffing upon individualism as a sign of weakness and decadence.

In historical Japan, peace and stability was upkept through collective guilt. If someone from your family committed serious crime, it was not only him but also the head of family (that failed to keep in line) who was held responsible. Through, individually perhaps unjust, the system after decades of civil war brought upon peace that lasted for hundreds of years. Your family, your responsibility.

There is only one thing, unruly yougsters in the west fears today and it is not police. It is not debts aswell, as you cannot take away from someone who owns nothing. They fear each other, their parents and cousins.

What I propose is value system, that rewards individuals for their personal archievements and punishes the clan for failures and crimes.

Your thoughts are most welcome, gentlemen.

EDIT: Just highlighted the focus, so not everybody will start to order mortar for sky high walls.

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[BigBall]

The solution for this is to send them to their couintries after stoping war in their couuntries, but before that it is best to dont give them freedom for walking in country in which they comed I mean they can just be in camps and fast returned to own countries.

[leopard2]

Easy.

What I propose is a wall. A superwall.

Build a fucking 300ft wall, mines, cameras, machine guns around Europe and Canada/US. Where there is water, treat any unlicensed entry into our waters like an armed attack, and open fire after a couple of warning rounds.

Anyone who is not a EU citizen and is suspicious? No problem. Just shove them thru a gate, and whatever happens outside the wall is not our fucking business.


----> this way there will be no more immigrants with a criminal history, none at all. Those with a criminal history will be outside the wall.

[BigBall]

Easy.

What I propose is a wall. A superwall.

Build a fucking 300ft wall, mines, cameras, machine guns around Europe and Canada/US. Where there is water, treat any unlicensed entry into our waters like an armed attack, and open fire after a couple of warning rounds.

Anyone who is not a EU citizen and is suspicious? No problem. Just shove them thru a gate, and whatever happens outside the wall is not our fucking business.


----> this way there will be no more immigrants with a criminal history, none at all. Those with a criminal history will be outside the wall.

Hehe I like your idea but we cant create wall in ocean and seas because it is very deep ,tahausands of meters so it will never be possible.Mabye you think army wall I didnt understanded you but I really like your idea.

[markj113]

The big problem with your theory is that it is not families migrating to the EU.  Its single military aged men mostly so collective guilt wont work.

The end solution will be civil war in several EU countries and they will be exterminated.

Its starting to happen already:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/749189/Polish-rioters-smash-kebab-shop-arab-men-stab-young-local-Elk-male

Would love to see Merkel swinging from a lampost when they are done.

[Okurkabinladin]

The big problem with your theory is that it is not families migrating to the EU.  Its single military aged men mostly so collective guilt wont work.

The end solution will be civil war in several EU countries and they will exterminated.

Its starting to happen already:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/749189/Polish-rioters-smash-kebab-shop-arab-men-stab-young-local-Elk-male

It is not a theory, but model, that worked for many generations among european aristocracy and still works in most of the Asia. You can call it "shared responsibility".

Those young men indeed do travel alone and when they get admitted in, government provides them with so called "family reunion" meaning that single military age man serves as a opening for many family members. It is also well researched that vast majority of those people only marry inside their own social, ethnic and religious group. We call those places "no go zones" but effectively, especially the bigger ones are colonies of foreign nations.

Having walls, armed guards and screening migrants is nice and puffy idea. Something, that should have been in place from the get go, Id say. But I am not talking about this on purpose, since Trojan horse is already behind (as of yet still non-existing) walls. What I am offering is alternative to the extermination war you mentioned.

Because you know, there is no guarantee, that you or me wont be its victims aswell.

[Lancusters]

You need to build a camp for women and children in Syria to guard the camp, and life even equip themselves. Until the war is over. To let them on the territory of Europe it is a big mistake Merkel

[Jannn]

You need to build a camp for women and children in Syria to guard the camp, and life even equip themselves. Until the war is over. To let them on the territory of Europe it is a big mistake Merkel

Thats a good idea but it still not safe for them.
Like if they bomb that camp.
The good option of this is to transfer them to one habitable island that far far way from Syria.

[darkangel11]

The best solution for this crisis is for the Western world to stop receiving migrants from the Middle East.
We all know certain cultures are prone to certain behavior. For instance the Italians are known for being hot-blooded and the Japanese are reserved and rarely show their feelings. When you invite a person to your home, you should be prepared to deal with their behavior. In the Middle East people have their own laws where women are treated like slaves and beaten for disobedience and you can be killed for disrespecting a religious figure. Whoever took this people in should take responsibility for their actions. Politicians, who invited refugees to their countries, like Angela Merkel, should be held responsible for all the acts of terror these migrants are now committing.

[trollercoaster]

Want to stop third worlders being third worlders? Then there needs to be brutal punishment to set an example.
What happened to European creativity? sheesh.

[ClaraLuV]

What we are seeing today in western Europe are gangs of disenfranchised second and third generation migrants breaking laws, attacking property and bystanders in tragically misguided bravado as to somehow give their life some meaning.

First and foremost we have to understand why these people are migrating in the first place and it is mainly because of war and other local and political issues that they are forced to shift from their home town and they might be leaving everything because of the situation at home and when they come over if they are not able to land a job then they will turn to violence and that is what is happening. 

[Xester]

I have been thinking about issue with migration, legal and other. Specifically, its criminal, urban element.

Obviously, certain level of migration has been natural through out history. In some cases beneficial both for those migrating and their hosts.

What we are seeing today in western Europe are gangs of disenfranchised second and third generation migrants breaking laws, attacking property and bystanders in tragically misguided bravado as to somehow give their life some meaning.

Now, as living standarts in the west have been stagnant for the past several decades and affirmative action already took its toll on natives, it is obvious we simply cannot just provide limousines, whores and cocaine to every deprivated young man, who feels entitled to such "high standard".

What we can do is to respect culture these men from middle East, Africa and Asia came from.

Those cultures are all still clan based, scoffing upon individualism as a sign of weakness and decadence.

In historical Japan, peace and stability was upkept through collective guilt. If someone from your family committed serious crime, it was not only him but also the head of family (that failed to keep in line) who was held responsible. Through, individually perhaps unjust, the system after decades of civil war brought upon peace that lasted for hundreds of years. Your family, your responsibility.

There is only one thing, unruly yougsters in the west fears today and it is not police. It is not debts aswell, as you cannot take away from someone who owns nothing. They fear each other, their parents and cousins.

What I propose is value system, that rewards individuals for their personal archievements and punishes the clan for failures and crimes.

Your thoughts are most welcome, gentlemen.

EDIT: Just highlighted the focus, so not everybody will start to order mortar for sky high walls.

That is a nice suggestion but that would create rebellious factions which is also bad for the nation. But my proposal is I think much better than yours and it is culture acceptance. When people wanted to migrate in a certain area then they need to let go of their old culture, religion and beliefs and accepts the doctrines and beliefs of the land. That way we are only adding people to the country without destroying the foundations and culture that the country is made of.

[Sithara007]

Want to stop third worlders being third worlders? Then there needs to be brutal punishment to set an example.
What happened to European creativity? sheesh.

Your idea is excellent. But personally, I would prefer the methods used by Emperor Wlad of Wallachia, to prevent the Muslim hordes from invading the European territory. Or perhaps, we could use a mix of these methods.

[markj113]

Also all these discussions are always refering to one group of people.

In the UK we dont have issues with sikhs, buddists, hindus, jews, the chinese, indians, polish etc.

Every other group moves to this country, integrates, accepts the law of the land and just gets on with life.

The other group arrives, causes constant trouble with constant demands we change our way of life to suit them etc.

I would just end all migration from islamic countries immediately.

Every time there is an islamic attack you shut down and bulldose every mosque in their home town + deport all family members.

[dwieyani]

for I do not give kebesan for he who likes to walk in the country

[Barrymore]

Also all these discussions are always refering to one group of people.

In the UK we dont have issues with sikhs, buddists, hindus, jews, the chinese, indians, polish etc.

Every other group moves to this country, integrates, accepts the law of the land and just gets on with life.

The other group arrives, causes constant trouble with constant demands we change our way of life to suit them etc.

I would just end all migration from islamic countries immediately.

Every time there is an islamic attack you shut down and bulldose every mosque in their home town + deport all family members.

I completely agree with you. Only I'm wondering why the terrorist attacks committed in Europe? Europe is not involved in the war with Muslim countries. Maybe the Islamists are specially seeking the deportation of Muslims to increase the army of its supporters?

[Sithara007]

Also all these discussions are always refering to one group of people.

In the UK we dont have issues with sikhs, buddists, hindus, jews, the chinese, indians, polish etc.

Every other group moves to this country, integrates, accepts the law of the land and just gets on with life.

The other group arrives, causes constant trouble with constant demands we change our way of life to suit them etc.

I would just end all migration from islamic countries immediately.

Every time there is an islamic attack you shut down and bulldose every mosque in their home town + deport all family members.

Prevention is better than cure. Why wait until some terrorist incident occur? Why can't we deport these people before that? Muslims in the UK must be given the same choice faced by non-Muslims in the Muslim majority nations. They should either convert to some other religion, or go back to their homelands.

[Barrymore]

Also all these discussions are always refering to one group of people.

In the UK we dont have issues with sikhs, buddists, hindus, jews, the chinese, indians, polish etc.

Every other group moves to this country, integrates, accepts the law of the land and just gets on with life.

The other group arrives, causes constant trouble with constant demands we change our way of life to suit them etc.

I would just end all migration from islamic countries immediately.

Every time there is an islamic attack you shut down and bulldose every mosque in their home town + deport all family members.

Prevention is better than cure. Why wait until some terrorist incident occur? Why can't we deport these people before that? Muslims in the UK must be given the same choice faced by non-Muslims in the Muslim majority nations. They should either convert to some other religion, or go back to their homelands.

Don't forget that Syria was a city of Christians and they have lived for centuries in peace with Muslims. It seems to me that we have all witnessed the religious wars of the middle ages. Deportation on religious grounds is not right. There are other methods.

[Yuuto]

The solution for this is to send them to their couintries after stoping war in their couuntries, but before that it is best to dont give them freedom for walking in country in which they comed I mean they can just be in camps and fast returned to own countries.

I cannot agree with your point of view, according to it, we need to intervene into independent countries politics by sending army there or by threat.
Is it a way to make peace?

Many times happened that US army was send somewhere to " stop war and crime" (but the truth is different) and after they have overcame the rebeliant/enemy forces, there was no peace but even more people were starving, homeless and the civil war was still ongoing.


Intervention is not a solution, we shouldnt allow so many people to come into the Europe, there is simply no place for that many of people, who dont give anything in return.

[bryant.coleman]

Don't forget that Syria was a city of Christians and they have lived for centuries in peace with Muslims. It seems to me that we have all witnessed the religious wars of the middle ages. Deportation on religious grounds is not right. There are other methods.

With any other religion, I'd readily support you. But not with the Muslims. It is just impossible for non-Muslims to live in Muslim majority areas. Perhaps you've heard nothing about the plight of Hindus in Pakistan, or that of the Christians in Sudan. In such a scenario, deportation based on the religious background is the only solution.