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April 22, 2017, 05:29:37 AM
Last edit: November 15, 2023, 09:25:41 AM by HCP
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I just wish two things to happen.
One, someone make this script on dicebot so we could give it a try if we want to. Two someone do that and put up results, multiple people actually, that way we can know if it works or not, definitely luck plays a big shot but multiple results would be great.

No need for this “would work”, “no it wouldn’t” nonsense that way.

One: Done

Two: Done


My personal opinion, for what it is worth:

This, is a pretty aggressive/risky strategy... but has the matching returns. I made 6161 units profit in 1000 rolls with a 10 unit basebet. I don't think it is designed for small bankrolls, as you will need a fairly large balance to ride out the bad streaks. You can see from the chart that I dropped like 6500 units in the middle of that run... and that was betting with a base of 10 units (and increasing by 10 units as required by the strategy).

It probably isn't for the feint-hearted who don't like red streaks... or betting large when required.


Other points to note are:

  • I increase when backing out a level after losing a full cycle... it never said to do that in the original strategy as far as I could tell...
  • The script resets if it breaks even or makes a profit when a hit occurs. I'm considering adding in some code so that once the bets get above a certain level (maybe 10x baseUnit), being within 2 baseUnits of the break even point would generate a reset.
  • Dice has a lower edge than Roulette, so you can either have slightly higher chance to win for same payout as Roulette, or same chance to win with higher payout. This script chooses the first option, higher chance to win.
  • I can't seem to find what you're supposed to do if you are on the highest level, and you win, but it doesn't break even or profit? Huh Currently the script will just increase the bet and keep betting at the "Split" level (~5.5% chance of win)


That could be one way to prove or disprove it, but there are issues with that method, is anyone willing to put money behind a method they don’t know if it is going to work?, are you willing to download software from a third party you don’t trust? I suppose the answers to those two questions are no.
Sure... why not? It is all fun... which is the whole point of gambling right? Tongue

And the only software that you need to use is Seuntjie's DiceBot, which is open source, free, is coded by a well respected member of the dice community and is used by a LOT of people... and of course, the script, which is just a plain text file that runs within the DiceBot. Wink


PS. If anyone wants to contribute to my testing efforts: 1BtGWdpqNHmoHyoi9vxWcEkWiSkpqnBycr

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April 22, 2017, 06:04:36 AM
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This is a good stratedgy and its similar in a martingle stratedgy. I think it will not last longer as you said because there is no such stratedgy on the system of the gambling sites they will detect it and adjust some seed of a dice game . Dice games is a seed base game which adjusted when there is something unussual or such an error.

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April 22, 2017, 10:08:06 AM
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Interesting, could you pm me the script (or share it on here)? I would like to try this too. I always like to use risky or aggresive strategies in dice game. I guess you were betting with dogecoin?


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April 22, 2017, 10:38:16 AM
Last edit: April 22, 2017, 04:21:52 PM by CiderWaffles
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im glad your're here, i had a long post all prepped but now i can shorten it, yeah i realised 1250 faucet was a bit low, it just made the wins look bigger. Good work on that script!

As for everyone else, take a look at these posts from the dicebot programmer discussion thread:

Hi guys, congrats to us all for the wonderful forum.

Now first and foremost also like to thank Seuntjie for the WONDERFUL tool and programming language (already donated my friend Smiley ) that enable me to streak 200000 bets (more than 24 hours)  in a row without loosing my bankroll.

The trick has Seuntjie stated is to low bet with high bankroll. The marvelous part of Seuntjie's bot is that one can make a strategy based on prebetting and then fish for the long loosing strike.

I've programmed a version of one of Seuntjie's script that basically I can leave running for days and have a very low probability of loosing (about 0.84% in a 500 bet streak) My script can make profits of 60/70% of current balance and withstand 100+ loosing strikes. Slowly but surely, I've been getting steady profits and IT WORKS on the long run, despite the house edge (and what other people say).

There is always a way to beat the house edge, its mathematical. Of course that using simple Martingale strategies and Labouchère on the long run you will ALWAYS loose. Even with high bank roll the math does not play in our favor.

I've taken few hours in making the math and fine-tuning the script but it has guaranteed results. Now I'm not trying to sell anything here with this post but also please don't ask to give the script for free since I lost about 1.5 BTC in fine-tuning it... Sad Investigate, loose money yourself - I'm the living proof that IT WORKS.

This post is just a testimony that house does not always win and IT IS possible to win while sleeping on the long run!

Seuntjie - you're a God. Congrats for the marvelous tool.






I myself shared a script, a modification of a previous script, that's prebetting all the times you want at the chance you want and others have shared them. You are playing a martingale with a certain amount  of prebetting and multipliying and at some point if you don't achieve the earnings, you just start over. That's fine, when you are 1.5 btc up just share your screenshot again.
Maybe when you are 1000000 btc up you might want to share your script with the rest of the world from your private island Wink And again, if you are in the opensource community still makes less sense to me that you do not want to share anything so the rest of the people can learn by themselves.



So take that script and use it bro. I'm sure it won't be far from mine Smiley My private island is precisly that. Private. No sharing allowed, since I do that in the main land Wink

Well its better to make less sense than no sense! I guess you have different POV about this issue.

Yes i think we definitively have a different POV about that Wink Nevertheless, I respect your position and I hope you can make a huge profit with the script. It will be nice if you can share your chart in a while thought. Here you have mine in the month of march:





Hi everyone,

@The passenger - Here is my all time static screen chart. Notice that until the 1 milllion bet range there are variations since it was during my tests with the scipts I've created. From 1 million foward they are fine tuned. This all time is about 23 days since my bet rate is about 1 per second. This is the result of 3 scripts that I use. Smiley

From the 1 million bet mark until the 2 million its about a 10/12 day span.



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April 23, 2017, 03:33:14 PM
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  • I can't seem to find what you're supposed to do if you are on the highest level, and you win, but it doesn't break even or profit? Huh Currently the script will just increase the bet and keep betting at the "Split" level (~5.5% chance of win)

You just keep betting, maybe you can raise by .1 of a unit for example, since you are using 10 as the base bet
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April 23, 2017, 03:43:19 PM
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I researched it on Google and found the strategy, and I think it's quite formidable considering it's the possibility of winning in the long run. I haven't tried it in dice, but I believe that it could be done and be done with it.

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April 23, 2017, 11:16:49 PM
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You just keep betting, maybe you can raise by .1 of a unit for example, since you are using 10 as the base bet
I'm not sure increasing by .1 would enable you to get out of "debt" tho... that is my only concern with this strategy, I noticed a couple of times that you can end up in a bit of a vicious cycle, where you win on the first bet after backing out a level, increase, move in and then lose the cycle, then win on the first bet after backing out, increase, move in... lose the cycle etc etc...

For that cycle to break, you need a bit of a lucky streak where you hit a couple of the lower chance rolls (ie, corners, streets and splits) almost consecutively...

In any case @CiderWaffles... thanks for the heads up on the strategy... I like trying new and interesting strategies other than straight Martingales with different payouts/increases...

Also, trying to code different strategies in the dicebot can be a challenge and helps exercise the brain Wink I'm actually thinking I might try and sell my dicebot coding skills, coding custom scripts for people for a minimal fee to help cover my time and "testing" Wink

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April 23, 2017, 11:32:06 PM
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Lop I can't believe you take that long and that many calculations to write this post but yet can't figure out that this is impossible ? I will never understand how people can lie to themselves about this and try trick themselbes into believing this. Guys don't be so desperate for money.
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April 23, 2017, 11:54:27 PM
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  • For that cycle to break, you need a bit of a lucky streak where you hit a couple of the lower chance rolls (ie, corners, streets and splits) almost consecutively...
  • In any case @CiderWaffles... thanks for the heads up on the strategy... I like trying new and interesting strategies other than straight Martingales with different payouts/increases...
  • I'm actually thinking I might try and sell my dicebot coding skills, coding custom scripts for people for a minimal fee to help cover my time and "testing" Wink

thats where the 1, 3, 2, 4 betting system comes in, you can probably add parts of the current code to it.

no problem, you might as well, the masses need to learn how to scrape profit ( ͡ᵔ ͜ʖ ͡ᵔ )

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So this was all to introduce some betting scripts? and you idiots posted it publicly for any casino admin-staff to see and go to change their system to counter these strategies?
Anyone here ever went to school or college to learn at least the basics of math?
Which part of mathematically impossible to beat the house in long term didn't you understand?

If you bet $1 and win 3 times then if you don't increase the fourth bet to $5 if you win then next bet should be back at $1 again but if you lose you then need to bet $1 as next bet and after that make a $7 bet if won then next bet $1 and if you lose make two $1 bets and make the third bet $15 if won go back to $1 once again and if lost then place three consecutive $1 bets and place $25 as the fourth bet of course if you'd like to try my strategy you'd be needing large bankroll

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I researched it on Google and found the strategy, and I think it's quite formidable considering it's the possibility of winning in the long run. I haven't tried it in dice, but I believe that it could be done and be done with it.

You should understand one simple think that if it is working method then no one will post to public and you will not find from google. Don't waste your money in trying all these methods. Instead, if you want to get some fun then just try yourself playing and check your luck. If these methods works then most of the gambling sites should close.
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So this was all to introduce some betting scripts? and you idiots posted it publicly for any casino admin-staff to see and go to change their system to counter these strategies?
Anyone here ever went to school or college to learn at least the basics of math?
Which part of mathematically impossible to beat the house in long term didn't you understand?
Now who is being an idiot hmmm???  Roll Eyes

Do you actually understand the concept of "Provably Fair" and the basic fundamentals of the dice game and random number generation?  They CAN'T change anything because 1. There is nothing to actually change and 2. There is no need to change anything.  Random numbers are random numbers... not quite sure how you can change that??  Huh Unless you're suggesting that all the dice games are rigged, don't generate random numbers and are somehow able to circumvent the maths involved in SHA256/SHA512 cryptography...  Tongue

We all know that it is mathematically impossible for everyone to beat the house in the long term, it's baked into the system using "House Edge" and the maths of probabilities and large numbers. The only thing a strategy is really useful for is minimising your individual risk... note: NOT eliminating, as that is impossible... but minimising...

And no, this was not to introduce some betting scripts... Someone mentioned it might be a good idea to try coding it up for the dicebot... so I did because I enjoy the challenge... and I've had several people contact me previously with regards to creating custom dicebot scripts for whatever crazy strategy they've come up with... I was just thinking out loud that I might be able to trade my dicebot script coding skill for some spare change so I can waste it all gambling Tongue

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April 24, 2017, 05:14:39 AM
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I researched it on Google and found the strategy, and I think it's quite formidable considering it's the possibility of winning in the long run. I haven't tried it in dice, but I believe that it could be done and be done with it.

You should understand one simple think that if it is working method then no one will post to public and you will not find from google. Don't waste your money in trying all these methods. Instead, if you want to get some fun then just try yourself playing and check your luck. If these methods works then most of the gambling sites should close.

Not really, all strategies have limitations, and there will always be, whether, at a moment in time that you lost, you reached that point, there was a limit. It's not always what can happen, but you can see that you can experiment with things so it's not always that you would spend your bitcoins there.

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April 25, 2017, 02:52:22 AM
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I researched it on Google and found the strategy, and I think it's quite formidable considering it's the possibility of winning in the long run. I haven't tried it in dice, but I believe that it could be done and be done with it.

You should understand one simple think that if it is working method then no one will post to public and you will not find from google. Don't waste your money in trying all these methods. Instead, if you want to get some fun then just try yourself playing and check your luck. If these methods works then most of the gambling sites should close.

Not really, all strategies have limitations, and there will always be, whether, at a moment in time that you lost, you reached that point, there was a limit. It's not always what can happen, but you can see that you can experiment with things so it's not always that you would spend your bitcoins there.

How will you know that whether that method reached the limit or not? You telling that method also still based on your luck and will come to know only after checking the method and money. If any method is not full proof then it is not called any strategy instead just trying your luck. This game works only based on luck so don't fall for these traps and waste your money.
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April 25, 2017, 03:09:59 AM
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Lop I can't believe you take that long and that many calculations to write this post but yet can't figure out that this is impossible ? I will never understand how people can lie to themselves about this and try trick themselbes into believing this. Guys don't be so desperate for money.
its another gamble for someone who will use this aside from hoping that your bankroll will increase you are also gamble and hope that the script will works for you, as we knew that we do have different results and one works for some players will not work for everyone as the results still depend from the site system itself.
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April 25, 2017, 07:56:56 AM
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Interesting to see that so many of you have tried this strategy.

Looks like the results are quite ok for most as well. The huge dips are scary for the average gambling though. That is not something you can recover from without the correct bankroll. Which means that bankroll management will be as important as ever.
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April 25, 2017, 11:23:55 AM
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Interesting to see that so many of you have tried this strategy.

Looks like the results are quite ok for most as well. The huge dips are scary for the average gambling though. That is not something you can recover from without the correct bankroll. Which means that bankroll management will be as important as ever.

exactly, and setting client seed yourself and not changing it for a very long time.
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April 25, 2017, 02:45:12 PM
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Do you think that it will work here: https://www.onehash.com/dice

Huh
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April 25, 2017, 04:57:58 PM
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So this was all to introduce some betting scripts? and you idiots posted it publicly for any casino admin-staff to see and go to change their system to counter these strategies?
Anyone here ever went to school or college to learn at least the basics of math?
Which part of mathematically impossible to beat the house in long term didn't you understand?
Now who is being an idiot hmmm???  Roll Eyes

Do you actually understand the concept of "Provably Fair" and the basic fundamentals of the dice game and random number generation?  They CAN'T change anything because 1. There is nothing to actually change and 2. There is no need to change anything.  Random numbers are random numbers... not quite sure how you can change that??  Huh Unless you're suggesting that all the dice games are rigged, don't generate random numbers and are somehow able to circumvent the maths involved in SHA256/SHA512 cryptography...  Tongue

We all know that it is mathematically impossible for everyone to beat the house in the long term, it's baked into the system using "House Edge" and the maths of probabilities and large numbers. The only thing a strategy is really useful for is minimising your individual risk... note: NOT eliminating, as that is impossible... but minimising...

And no, this was not to introduce some betting scripts... Someone mentioned it might be a good idea to try coding it up for the dicebot... so I did because I enjoy the challenge... and I've had several people contact me previously with regards to creating custom dicebot scripts for whatever crazy strategy they've come up with... I was just thinking out loud that I might be able to trade my dicebot script coding skill for some spare change so I can waste it all gambling Tongue
They don’t need to change the way the number are calculated if they are going to make a change they are going to change the game to benefit them, just look at roulette, at first the roulette had only one zero but then the casinos added another zero, the double zero, and that is enough to double their house edge in the game, if the strategy works they are going to change the game.

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April 25, 2017, 05:01:34 PM
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I think you should not make this public gambling site owner is watching lol
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