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April 14, 2017, 08:21:37 AM
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NASA has new evidence that the most likely places to find life beyond Earth are Jupiter's moon Europa or Saturn's moon Enceladus. In terms of potential habitability, Enceladus particularly has almost all of the key ingredients for life as we know it, researchers said.
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April 14, 2017, 10:21:03 AM
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Enceladus really found good conditions for life. We need to conduct research and populate a new planet.
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April 14, 2017, 10:31:45 AM
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This whole idea is a fun idea, from a science fiction stand-point.

There is no known way that people even have a remote chance of going to another solar system without some gigantic breakthrough in science that is not even being hinted at.

If you are looking for some kind of hope, or freedom from the limitations set on us in life, your better bet is to get into the fields of nutrition-with-a-touch-of-medicine, and longevity (anti-aging). There are a lot of nutritional things around right now that can impart a better life in old age, and maybe even extend life somewhat.

If you are able to sell yourself on the idea of science fiction, there are a lot of sci-fi books around that talk about things like settling other worlds. Why not look at them? Because the idea of really doing it is so far beyond us that it will take life-times to figure out how to do it. And we will all be dead and gone before anybody will ever come close to going to the stars.

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April 14, 2017, 10:43:42 AM
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Maybe there life is possible for some bacteria, but for human organisms there are no conditions for a normal existence.
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April 14, 2017, 10:49:24 AM
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This whole idea is a fun idea, from a science fiction stand-point.

There is no known way that people even have a remote chance of going to another solar system without some gigantic breakthrough in science that is not even being hinted at.

If you are looking for some kind of hope, or freedom from the limitations set on us in life, your better bet is to get into the fields of nutrition-with-a-touch-of-medicine, and longevity (anti-aging). There are a lot of nutritional things around right now that can impart a better life in old age, and maybe even extend life somewhat.

If you are able to sell yourself on the idea of science fiction, there are a lot of sci-fi books around that talk about things like settling other worlds. Why not look at them? Because the idea of really doing it is so far beyond us that it will take life-times to figure out how to do it. And we will all be dead and gone before anybody will ever come close to going to the stars.

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Jupiter and its moons are in our solar system. The distance to Jupiter from Earth is constantly changing as both planets move in an elliptical orbit around the Sun. When both planets are closest to each other, the distance between them is about 590 million miles. But in the extreme point relative to the Earth Jupiter is 970 million kilometers from our planet.
In 2006, the Land left automatic interplanetary station NASA "New horizons", which in 2007 passed near Jupiter. The unit managed to do in just 13 months.
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April 14, 2017, 11:03:08 AM
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I highly doubt the research because first and foremost they only sent back pictures, The best way to prove that the research will really work is if they sent someone there to check the facts and am sure its going to be a one way journey and no one will i think waste about 15 years to go to and from back Enceladus in that period.
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April 14, 2017, 11:09:13 AM
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This whole idea is a fun idea, from a science fiction stand-point.

There is no known way that people even have a remote chance of going to another solar system without some gigantic breakthrough in science that is not even being hinted at.

If you are looking for some kind of hope, or freedom from the limitations set on us in life, your better bet is to get into the fields of nutrition-with-a-touch-of-medicine, and longevity (anti-aging). There are a lot of nutritional things around right now that can impart a better life in old age, and maybe even extend life somewhat.

If you are able to sell yourself on the idea of science fiction, there are a lot of sci-fi books around that talk about things like settling other worlds. Why not look at them? Because the idea of really doing it is so far beyond us that it will take life-times to figure out how to do it. And we will all be dead and gone before anybody will ever come close to going to the stars.

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Jupiter and its moons are in our solar system. The distance to Jupiter from Earth is constantly changing as both planets move in an elliptical orbit around the Sun. When both planets are closest to each other, the distance between them is about 590 million miles. But in the extreme point relative to the Earth Jupiter is 970 million kilometers from our planet.
In 2006, the Land left automatic interplanetary station NASA "New horizons", which in 2007 passed near Jupiter. The unit managed to do in just 13 months.
Yes indeed, but to be able to start a new world even in our solar system, travelling there would be a hard task not only because of time, but also because of supplies.
For example, if we would start a station on one of the moons of Jupiter, we would need supplies for humans living there.
That would means, we need to invent some kind of endless source of oxygen,food and water, or there is also another way- to send neccesary recourses every month or so.

The costs would be insanely huge, thats the first problem.
The second problem is that the supplies for inhabitants of this station would need to be somehow preserved, because that would take a really long time.

In my opinion, we should focus more on our planet, and improving our technologies, than looking for our place on the different planet.
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April 14, 2017, 11:21:06 AM
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Enceladus really found good conditions for life. We need to conduct research and populate a new planet.

Why you want to populate another planet? The humans have destroyed the earth with all the pollution and deforestation. IMO, we should never colonize Enceladus. That planet must be reserved for the non-human species.

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April 14, 2017, 01:14:50 PM
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It is possible. We already have these sort of environments here on earth, down our oceans. It's possible for life to develop under intense heat, pressure and without sunlight.

When I first saw those ocean vents in the news before, I found it really amazing. "Chemosynthesis"? Wow, didn't expect that's a thing and that could sustain an ecosystem down there.

I was wondering more on the implication on finding life down there. What would the human-centric religions of the world make of life developing in a planet other than Earth? What theological gymnastics would be needed to reconcile that with the idea that Earth is special?
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April 14, 2017, 03:01:38 PM
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Enceladus really found good conditions for life. We need to conduct research and populate a new planet.

Why you want to populate another planet? The humans have destroyed the earth with all the pollution and deforestation. IMO, we should never colonize Enceladus. That planet must be reserved for the non-human species.
I do not think that the plans of scientists included the colonization of another planet. It is very expensive and is not relevant, but should always be alternate. You never know what will happen. Maybe someday all the supporters of bitcoins decides to leave earth and establish his world.
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It is possible. We already have these sort of environments here on earth, down our oceans. It's possible for life to develop under intense heat, pressure and without sunlight.

When I first saw those ocean vents in the news before, I found it really amazing. "Chemosynthesis"? Wow, didn't expect that's a thing and that could sustain an ecosystem down there.

I was wondering more on the implication on finding life down there. What would the human-centric religions of the world make of life developing in a planet other than Earth? What theological gymnastics would be needed to reconcile that with the idea that Earth is special?

Religious people are just people. Most people don't think about a lot of deep things of life. That's why religious people miss the fact that angels are aliens. I mean, they aren't human, even though many pictures of them are of more or less human shape.

The Bible actually speaks about aliens in 2 or 3 places, even though it doesn't use the word aliens like we would use it.

The point isn't life on other planets. The point is that the other life didn't evolve. Evolution includes random coming together of material to form or change living cells. The odds of this happening are impossible in the extreme. There are too many components involved for natural, random chance to form life by evolution. Research it.

Since life couldn't have evolved, however it got there, and its purpose for being there, should wake us up to a whole lot of things regarding our purpose for being here.

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April 15, 2017, 04:07:35 AM
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Enceladus really found good conditions for life. We need to conduct research and populate a new planet.

Why you want to populate another planet? The humans have destroyed the earth with all the pollution and deforestation. IMO, we should never colonize Enceladus. That planet must be reserved for the non-human species.
I do not think that the plans of scientists included the colonization of another planet. It is very expensive and is not relevant, but should always be alternate. You never know what will happen. Maybe someday all the supporters of bitcoins decides to leave earth and establish his world.
It's all like a fairy tale and you really want to believe in it, but the bitcoin of users is only interested in the question of making money and the bitcoin rate on the market.
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This statement doesn't make sense to me. We all know we need water to survive, therefore ocean worlds. And what's the alternative to Nearby...far away? So did NASA think we all previously thought that the best bet for life beyond Earth would be dry planets incredibly far away?
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It is possible. We already have these sort of environments here on earth, down our oceans. It's possible for life to develop under intense heat, pressure and without sunlight.

When I first saw those ocean vents in the news before, I found it really amazing. "Chemosynthesis"? Wow, didn't expect that's a thing and that could sustain an ecosystem down there.

I was wondering more on the implication on finding life down there. What would the human-centric religions of the world make of life developing in a planet other than Earth? What theological gymnastics would be needed to reconcile that with the idea that Earth is special?

Religious people are just people. Most people don't think about a lot of deep things of life. That's why religious people miss the fact that angels are aliens. I mean, they aren't human, even though many pictures of them are of more or less human shape.

The Bible actually speaks about aliens in 2 or 3 places, even though it doesn't use the word aliens like we would use it.

The point isn't life on other planets. The point is that the other life didn't evolve. Evolution includes random coming together of material to form or change living cells. The odds of this happening are impossible in the extreme. There are too many components involved for natural, random chance to form life by evolution. Research it.

Since life couldn't have evolved, however it got there, and its purpose for being there, should wake us up to a whole lot of things regarding our purpose for being here.

Cool

So what are you proposing? That the Judeo-Christian god is some sort of a ruler of an advanced alien race that somehow decided to seed Earth with life? I believe that's the synopsis of Prometheus. I certainly thought of New Jerusalem as an alien mothership when I first read that part in Revalation Grin

I find it hard to believe that a technologically advanced race would be bothered with commanding us stuff like cutting off foreskins (which they shouldn't have added if they wanted to get rid of it) and slaying infidels.

Of course, unless they enjoy seeing us suffer. Who knows, maybe Earth is the biggest reality show in the universe and everyone else is laughing their ass of watching us.
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I think finding the most habitable planet would be the easiest part. How we're going to get people out there to populate that planet or whatever would be straight out of a science fiction movie. We may be decades from even making that a possibility

 
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NASA has new evidence that the most likely places to find life beyond Earth are Jupiter's moon Europa or Saturn's moon Enceladus. In terms of potential habitability, Enceladus particularly has almost all of the key ingredients for life as we know it, researchers said.

Still not conclusive to me. Although its looks promising at the scientist point of view, living out there is not easy as it sounds. It would take more than 20 years or more of scientific study and experiment before they can declare without a doubt that a human species that live and habituate in that kind of environment. Sadly to say, we might not see that in our life time. Maybe they should try like to bring a chimp to see if they can live there  Grin.

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April 19, 2017, 09:09:32 AM
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On other planets a person can not survive, because there is no atmosphere with suitable conditions for life. Is it just necessary to constantly walk in a spacesuit.
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On other planets a person can not survive, because there is no atmosphere with suitable conditions for life. Is it just necessary to constantly walk in a spacesuit.
Why do you think that on other planets there is no atmosphere? It all depends on the conditions on the planet. I do think that if on the planet there are appropriate conditions for life then it must appear the life. Planetary scientists, examined the chemical composition of rocks of Mars, in 2013, stated that 4 billion years ago on the red planet had the same amount of oxygen as on Earth. Planet Kepler 22b, This planet on which life can be. Because the surface temperature is about 25 °C despite the fact that the star is weaker than our Sun 8 times, but the planet is much closer to her. Is the planet in the constellation Sail in 36 light years from us. Planet Kepler 22b is Very distant planet at a distance of 620 light years. The temperature of the planet is consistent with the average temperature at resorts in Greece, only the structure is more reminiscent of Neptune, consists mainly of a vast ocean, so if there is life, in the aquatic environment. And such planets can be a lot. Recently been discovered presumably from 6 planets suitable for life
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April 19, 2017, 11:32:12 AM
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NASA has new evidence that the most likely places to find life beyond Earth are Jupiter's moon Europa or Saturn's moon Enceladus. In terms of potential habitability, Enceladus particularly has almost all of the key ingredients for life as we know it, researchers said.

It maybe a good news but not for us who are average and doesnt have the money, power and authority to travel to those places. Aside from that we can not benefit from space travel if it becomes existent in the future. But its good to know that there are already tentative or alternative areas for colonization in case the earth become inhabitable.
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April 19, 2017, 01:06:40 PM
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Enceladus really found good conditions for life. We need to conduct research and populate a new planet.

Why you want to populate another planet? The humans have destroyed the earth with all the pollution and deforestation. IMO, we should never colonize Enceladus. That planet must be reserved for the non-human species.

Man destroyed all the beauty of nature on earth and he is already not interested, you need to capture other people's planets and destroy everything there, or the aliens somehow live wrong Grin
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