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April 26, 2017, 02:32:38 PM
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*** and also obviously the short term pump to the moon and making a lot of profit.

Yes it at least justify some LTC pump and hype to replace BTC forever Cheesy.

Same time 16s block time in ETH works and not many miners are upset becouse of that.
Blockcain size - come on who cares from speculators. Most crypto not left exchange that is why that blocksize doesn't matter with coins that are PnD in short therm.

Most coins are designed to be short term pump kings and that is why no one give a fuck to blockchain size ^^.
I want long BTC so blockchain size matters to me.

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April 26, 2017, 02:50:41 PM
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When this happen will be an excellent test to see if BTC can adopt the same change in its protocol. LTC is doing what an altcoin should do, to provide a different way to tackle a problem and, if BTC changes to start to do the same, the better! If not, it will only make LTC more attractive to investors, increasing its value.

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I know LTC's creator has stated that LTC is not intended to replace BTC, but I can't help but wonder, what point is there in doing anything with BTC anymore?

To rephrase, what does BTC do that LTC doesn't do better?
define better!

a faster block generation time? that has led to a much higher number of orphaned blocks, that not only means you have to wait for much longer for your transactions to be "fully confirmed" but also it means miners lose more block reward each day due to orphan rate.
this also means the blockchain size should technically be bigger and grow faster. and we are already seeing a lot of people bitch and moan about bitcoin blockchain size being big. now imagine if it was 4 times bigger than this.
and also in the end litecoin is still the same altcoins that has been copying code from bitcoin.
activation of SegWit is great because it fixes the malleability problem and also opens up for more features but the most important thing is testing it for bitcoin. and also obviously the short term pump to the moon and making a lot of profit.

Average BTC 3 Orphans per day , 30 minutes
Average LTC 2 Orphans per day ,   5 minutes
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/ltc/#!extraction

Which kind of tells you BTC could have went to 5 minute blocks instead of lying and saying it was impossible for them.

LTC Currrent Blockchain :     ~7.62 GB          Born Oct 2011
BTC Current Blockchain : > 112  Gigabytes    Born Jan 2009

Looks like BTC is the bloated one.  Cheesy

Funny the malleability issue was so scary, that BTC Core did not hard fork immediately to fix it,
must be because it is not that big a deal until LN is involved.
Otherwise why introduce a soft fork that can take over a year before you even know if it will be activated or not.  Tongue


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Time you have to wait before a transaction can be consider safe.
BTC 3 confirms , 30 minutes
LTC  6 confirms,  15 minutes

BTC really just sucks compared to LTC.
 
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April 27, 2017, 06:53:49 AM
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Welcome to financial slavery 2.0 the Lightening addition.
Satoshi is rolling over in his grave, the Banking Cartels will have destroyed everything he set out to do.

That said, bitcoin (and yes, also LTC) contained this in its initial design anyhow.  This is why I claim that bitcoin's design wasn't set up to do what was claimed it would do.  Whether that was clumsiness or on evil purpose, I leave in the middle (though I tend to think the former).

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May 13, 2017, 05:08:51 AM
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Welcome to financial slavery 2.0 the Lightening addition.
Satoshi is rolling over in his grave, the Banking Cartels will have destroyed everything he set out to do.

That said, bitcoin (and yes, also LTC) contained this in its initial design anyhow.  This is why I claim that bitcoin's design wasn't set up to do what was claimed it would do.  Whether that was clumsiness or on evil purpose, I leave in the middle (though I tend to think the former).



The questions what everyone has wondered for years is...... What was Bitcoins real sole purpose and evolution in Satoshi's eyes when he created it, the communities involvement upon release, then his departure + what the Core Developers think with their ideas.

Was it just another one of those online Internet Tokens/Virtual Currencies that came and went in the early 90's - 2000's but this time by one of the said failed projects collaborators ?

Things back then on the internet were ahead of their time before the mass adoption of broadband internet..... just saying.

Then compare the scenario to that of Charlie Lee and Litecoin with the eruption of Bitcoin and putting a real Name & Face to a Coin.

Satoshi..... Charlie.....

One is said to be a descendant of Asian Heritage & the other has been confirmed as to being from Asian Heritage..... Coincidence ? Cheesy
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May 13, 2017, 07:56:15 AM
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Why does the price of LTC go down all the way?
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Welcome to financial slavery 2.0 the Lightening addition.
Satoshi is rolling over in his grave, the Banking Cartels will have destroyed everything he set out to do.

That said, bitcoin (and yes, also LTC) contained this in its initial design anyhow.  This is why I claim that bitcoin's design wasn't set up to do what was claimed it would do.  Whether that was clumsiness or on evil purpose, I leave in the middle (though I tend to think the former).



The questions what everyone has wondered for years is...... What was Bitcoins real sole purpose and evolution in Satoshi's eyes when he created it, the communities involvement upon release, then his departure + what the Core Developers think with their ideas.


My take on that is that whatever were the *intentions* of whoever was Satoshi, doesn't really matter.  My personal opinion is that it was a quite bright guy in his basement, but it can be just anything, from the Chinese government to a terrorist organisation.  It doesn't matter.
Satoshi did some brilliant things, and set up a system which has its own dynamics.  That dynamics does not correspond to what Satoshi claimed he made it for, but are the natural consequences of how it was designed.

When we see that, there are some logical possibilities about intention:

a) Satoshi knew perfectly well how this system would evolve, but needed to tell something else to trick people into using it (conspiracy view)

b) Satoshi, bright as he was, made some fundamental mistakes and had some fundamental misunderstandings (my personal opinion)

c) Satoshi came as close as one can get to what was doable at that point, and anything seriously different would not have worked ; in other words, at that point, it was simply impossible to have a system as he pretended, and he came as close as was possible, but no cigar.

I say this, because bitcoin is based upon a totally flawed economic understanding of ideal money, inspired by the "gold bugs" doctrine of sound money ; and has as its core, a deflationary spiral like rarely one has seen any.   As such, bitcoin can never be a mainstream currency, because there is no system included that will provide sufficient elasticity in its offer for its value to remain constant, which is a requirement of ideal money (which will be also a unit of account) ; on the contrary, it is heavily publicized as something that will strongly grow over time, and will make you rich if you adopt soon enough.  Bitcoin is hence designed as a very strongly speculative asset, to be hoarded and to be traded, with high volatility, and high deflation (=gain in value).

Many choices in the design of bitcoin make that it is not going to be a widespread, largely decentralized, generally used payment system ; however, it has everything to be a speculative asset that would make the toxic derivatives that caused the 2007 crash to look like stable money compared to it.

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Was it just another one of those online Internet Tokens/Virtual Currencies that came and went in the early 90's - 2000's but this time by one of the said failed projects collaborators ?

I think bitcoin was a kind of next logical step, and it had the right timing, after the financial crisis of 2007-2008.  Note that this financial crisis had nothing to do with the fiat payment system ; but rather with the reckless speculation of financial institutions on "virtual" complex derivatives.  The ironic thing is that bitcoin took as economic model, exactly something that leads to a highly speculative asset, while pretending to replace the "broken" fiat payment system.  It is this irony - the fact of being able to speculate heavily (which was the main cause of the 2007 financial crisis) while pretending to cure a non-broken system (the fiat payment system) - that was the success story of bitcoin.

On the other hand, without the lure of high speculative prospects, to turn $27 investors in future billionaires, something like bitcoin would never have taken off (hinting at my (c) option above).  So maybe it was necessary to have this irony, of pretending to make an "honest robust payment system" based upon the most heavily charged greater fool speculative asset one has seen in ages ; as no truly honest payment system would ever have taken off.

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May 14, 2017, 06:11:50 AM
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Why does the price of LTC go down all the way?

It was pumped when the news came out of the deal with the miners to adopt segwit - and then dumped when the whales decided to take their profits.

Nothing much is going to happen with litecoin until they can prove that people actually USE the coin. If they don't use it, segwit etc is useless.

 
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May 14, 2017, 06:23:38 AM
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Why does the price of LTC go down all the way?

It was pumped when the news came out of the deal with the miners to adopt segwit - and then dumped when the whales decided to take their profits.

Nothing much is going to happen with litecoin until they can prove that people actually USE the coin. If they don't use it, segwit etc is useless.

Further more, litecoin won't be the first cryptocurrency to add Segwit to their source code. Some minor coin that i noticed is groestlcoin and it has already adopted the change on their mainnet. it is still in its 3 years and it already has  a $1.6 million market cap. The trade is for less than three cents in $ but has been busy growing over the years. Earlier this year, groestlcoin admins inputed some code include Segwit, and probably i think in there 3rd anniversary near the end of March, Segwit was activated.
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May 14, 2017, 07:13:36 AM
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Why does the price of LTC go down all the way?

It was pumped when the news came out of the deal with the miners to adopt segwit - and then dumped when the whales decided to take their profits.

Nothing much is going to happen with litecoin until they can prove that people actually USE the coin. If they don't use it, segwit etc is useless.

Its getting stable if you ask me. People invested suddenly because they thought getting into the coinbase and segwit integration will be a great step for an altcoin, that too before its integration to BTC. LTC is for the long term now. will be similar to BTC with less complication.

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May 15, 2017, 02:22:32 PM
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SegWit is now locked in and Litecoin seems to have stopped rising. I just sold all of mine, we might end up seeing a big dump soon.
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Segwit has happened. But price has been going down. Looking for price to increase and not sure why it isnt. Whales perhaps holding it down low and then pump? Seems likely.

Lets hope segwit also is unhackable. Saw a 1 million bounty out out. Lets see!
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Litecoin and SegWit, two different word that has to come together.  Wink
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Segwit is officially implanted, and here comes the dump. Lets see how much it corrects.
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Segwit is officially implanted, and here comes the dump. Lets see how much it corrects.

Correction has been done imo.  Now we can moon with all the actual implementations (Like LN, CT, Rootstock, Omni, Tumblebit, etc)
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Segwit is officially implanted, and here comes the dump. Lets see how much it corrects.

Correction has been done imo.  Now we can moon with all the actual implementations (Like LN, CT, Rootstock, Omni, Tumblebit, etc)


Any of these will actually increase price and demand you think?  I'm worried about LTC repeating history... another loonnggg bear market Sad




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May 16, 2017, 05:38:23 PM
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Segwit is officially implanted, and here comes the dump. Lets see how much it corrects.

Correction has been done imo.  Now we can moon with all the actual implementations (Like LN, CT, Rootstock, Omni, Tumblebit, etc)


Any of these will actually increase price and demand you think?  I'm worried about LTC repeating history... another loonnggg bear market Sad

Yes, things are much much different for LTC now.
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Why does the price of LTC go down all the way?
Most of the traders only care about the profit and that is why they keep selling their litecoin when they see there is no movement in this coin at all. Segwit is just a news. We can not take that news and believe that the price will go up. In the realistic, litecoin is not accepted in any places ( accept online casino) and because of that reason, we can not believe that the price will rise. Moreover, litecoin has already increased 500% since early 2017



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May 16, 2017, 08:01:37 PM
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why is there no hype around ltc adding lightning network, smart contracts, anon and whatever shnoll sigs are?. On top of that you have the best dev teams in the world working on it.
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May 16, 2017, 10:01:58 PM
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I think the hype has just leaked  out like a car tyre with a very slow puncture.

The hype surrounding Litecoin over the last month or so has been astronomical
and with that there was possibly an over inflation of the value . . .

to be honest I had lost interest in the segwit implementation because of all the
good and bad hype, I actually didnt know we were locked in until I happened
across this thread  Shocked


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