They disagree with what? They choose to reveal trade secrets and that is somehow evidence of disagreement? This doesn't even make sense. Do you even know what you're talking about?
This question has been answered countless times. The answer has always been no.
And has this ever been verified by any outside party? I understand Josh that you can say no. You have the books. I can't comment on it.
Again, what compulsion does BFL have to open their books? I ask this again. Post your tax returns and paystubs. Why are you evading the question? Why are not posting them?
Another question that has been answered countless times on this forum. This is what I'm talking about. Your questions are either already answered or completely ridiculous. This entire thread is basically an exercise in mental masturbation, resulting in blue balls for those involved. You are deluding yourself if you think the questions are legitimate and the chances of you getting answers to your unreasonable and completely ludicrous questions is so close to zero that it can't be measured with any known instruments known to man.
You ok? You seem a little red in the face? Don't you think asking if BFL has mined with their own product and to what extent is a little legitimate? You guys presold the units yet are holding on to them. Thus you can double dip by using them to mine until the margins lower and then ship the queue. I'm not saying you did that, but it is definitely an option and something the community would love to know. Also how did you do any form of reliability testing without mining for some window of time with the units?
So disagreeing with you and explaining why your questions are stupid = "red in the face" ... right. So basically this conversation is already over, you've given up after two posts and moved on to "Nya nya nya, it's this way because I say it is and your logic and common sense have no effect on me!" GG!
Your statement that "You guys presold the units and yet are holding on to this" is utter garbage. Do you have proof, or hell, even any EVIDENCE of this? No? Why not? Because it's idiotic, that's why. This whole question has been answered, ad naseum, on the forum. You failed to do you due diligence and now you're flailing around trying to justify your stupid questions.
I know you "feel" the questions are legitimate, but they aren't. Can you give a single compelling reason that BFL would open their financial books to anyone other than the tax man? Just because you "want to know" and "feel" that you deserve to know does not make it a legitimate reason. The entire premise is ludicrous.
I have no power to compel BFL to open their books. A court of law and a government agency can do that. And they will do that if your corporation continues to delay its shipments while still taking preorders. What I say and do has no impact on that reality. You can deny it, but it doesn't make it any less true.
That's right, you have no power to compel BFL to open their books. A court of law and government agency will laugh in your face when you try to get them to compel BFL to open the books. Here's the way that conversation will go:
Charles: There's this company, Butterfly Labs, that has taken preorders for a product and hasn't shipped mine yet. I want you to force them to publicly post an audit of their books.
Court: On what grounds do you request we compel an audit?
Charles: I think they are using preorder funds to develop their product.
Court: What evidence do you have for this?
Charles: Well, I don't have any evidence.
Court: So why do you think they are doing this, have they said they were? When did you make your preorder?
Charles: No, they said they wern't doing it. I made a preorder in January. I think they are a scam and a ponzi scheme.
Court: I see... So you ordered in January, when did you ask for a refund?
Charles: I've haven't asked for a refund.
Court: So, you think they are a scam, but you haven't requested a refund? Why not? Has anyone else requested a refund?
Charles: Well, I don't really have a good answer as to why I haven't requested a refund. Yes, other people have requested refunds.
Court: How many refunds were requested? How many were denied?
Charles: Well, I'm sure lots were requested. I haven't heard of any being denied.
Court: So... people have requested refunds and been given them. You have an order with the company and you haven't canceled it and requested a refund. You say they are scam, but have no evidence, no one has ever been denied a refund and they are a privately held company. Is that correct?
Charles: Well, yes, basically. But... they haven't shipped my order yet!
Court: Baliff, please escort this man off the premises. If he resists, I recommend holding him for psychiatric evaluation.
I'd wager that's a fairly accurate representation of what a court of law would say.
How about this: You post your last 3 years of tax returns, and your last twelve paystubs, as well as your marriage license if you're married, unredacted, on this forum. Are you willing to do that? No? Why not?
Well Josh, I for one never accepted millions of dollars of other people's money off of a promise to deliver something and then spent months delaying until I eventually delivered something that is an order of magnitude outside of spec. Also how exactly are you able to build a minirig running at 1500 GH/s with that kind of TDP? Didn't you sell a few of those over the last year? Surely that meant you guys had a working prototype that allowed you to infer a reasonable TDP for the size.
No, you've just made unfounded accusations and made ludicrous demands. I suggest you look up what "order of magnitude" means, since you clearly don't understand it. I have NFC what you are talking about with regards to building a 1.5 TH machine last year, are you insane, delusional or just confused?
