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September 17, 2023, 08:08:22 AM
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Just because the owner is willing to spend money, that doesn't mean that the club will get better, if you misspend that money then you are going to stay a terrible team. Doesn't mean that you can do wonders without spending neither, Pep spent hundreds of millions of dollars to be this good, but at least he did the right moves while spending it.

So, you can't be like United and Glazers family and just not spend anything you do not have to, they basically spend the bare minimum to keep them competing, but you can't be like Chelsea and Todd which would be spending money way more than you should, on players that do not even deserve that much money, and expect good results neither. The only way to get better is to spend right amount of money to the right players.

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September 17, 2023, 08:46:03 AM
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Just because the owner is willing to spend money, that doesn't mean that the club will get better, if you misspend that money then you are going to stay a terrible team. Doesn't mean that you can do wonders without spending neither, Pep spent hundreds of millions of dollars to be this good, but at least he did the right moves while spending it.

So, you can't be like United and Glazers family and just not spend anything you do not have to, they basically spend the bare minimum to keep them competing, but you can't be like Chelsea and Todd which would be spending money way more than you should, on players that do not even deserve that much money, and expect good results neither. The only way to get better is to spend right amount of money to the right players.
That's absolutely true, I think the effect will also be to end the cooperation more quickly. About Man United there is something that makes me surprised, Ten Hag recruited Hojlund and Sofyan Amrabat while injured. I think the Dutch coach is quite brave in taking risks, but it seems that so far his moves have not produced results. The latest defeat to Brighton really disappointed United fans, especially losing at home. I'm waiting for the match between Chelsea and Bournemouth, whether they will have the same fate as The Red Devils.

The young squad built by Pochettino, almost the same as Ten Hag, has yet to show signs of revival. However, in terms of players recruited by Man United, they are better than Chelsea. I think both United and Chelsea will find it difficult to finish in the UCL zone at the end of the season.

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September 17, 2023, 08:52:54 AM
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Just because the owner is willing to spend money, that doesn't mean that the club will get better, if you misspend that money then you are going to stay a terrible team. Doesn't mean that you can do wonders without spending neither, Pep spent hundreds of millions of dollars to be this good, but at least he did the right moves while spending it.

So, you can't be like United and Glazers family and just not spend anything you do not have to, they basically spend the bare minimum to keep them competing, but you can't be like Chelsea and Todd which would be spending money way more than you should, on players that do not even deserve that much money, and expect good results neither. The only way to get better is to spend right amount of money to the right players.

That is right and I think Pep Guardiola is a great role model for a manager who is massive resources available but yet a well-considered and reasonable approach to building a really strong squad.

Since 2016 Guardiola has spent roughly £1 billion for new players with Grealish being the most expensive for £100 million. He also got Haaland for only £52 million. He made a number of high quality transfers and knew exactly what player he needs for a specific position, but also for the consistency and balance within the team in terms of character, quality and strength.

But this isn't the end of the story. Guardiola also let go players and his net spending since 2016 is £478 million. They have won 14 trophies including the treble.

Manchester United has had a net spending of £835 million over the same period of time.

And over the last five years Manchester City's net spending ranks 10th among the Premier League teams. Respect!

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September 17, 2023, 09:12:27 AM
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Jadon Sancho refused to apologise to Erik ten Hag you know and it doesn't look like the problems between them will be solved. Right now it is just said that Jadon Sancho wants to leave at the earliest opportunity. It would be the best for his career as well honestly because he has been performing really poorly since he came to the Red Devils.

There is like a huge difference between his effort here and at Dortmund. There were some rumours in the latest transfer window like he would return to Dortmund. Maybe in January we might see a move from Dortmund too who knows.  Smiley  But if a Saudi Arabian team intervene then the player might choose to make much more money.
It seems like the Man United squad this season is more busy with player scandals and internal commotion at the club, Ten Hag focus has definitely been a little diverted by this. Jadon Sancho refusal to apologize to his manager will make his career at United even bleaker, Ten Hag seems to no longer consider Sancho an important player in his squad. Reportedly, Sancho has been separated from The Red Devils main team, and of course the best option for conditions like this is to move.

I think it is better for Sancho to return to Dortmund, he can develop there better. Nottingham Forest is also reportedly monitoring Sancho, they are also rumored to be interested in recruiting him in January 2024. As for moving to the SPL, I think this is difficult to happen considering he is still very young.

I'm not sure about whether Nottingham would be a good choice for him. Actually Nottingham started the season decently and they even beat Chelsea away the last time. But still I think it would be better for Sancho to play for a team competing to qualify for the Champions League.

Dortmund would be the most ideal choice for him if they start to be interested in him again in January. He should think of going outside Europe as well if he gets a high level of salary offer. He can play for 1-2 seasons and then go back to Europe if he wants.

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September 17, 2023, 09:34:34 AM
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Just because the owner is willing to spend money, that doesn't mean that the club will get better, if you misspend that money then you are going to stay a terrible team. Doesn't mean that you can do wonders without spending neither, Pep spent hundreds of millions of dollars to be this good, but at least he did the right moves while spending it.

So, you can't be like United and Glazers family and just not spend anything you do not have to, they basically spend the bare minimum to keep them competing, but you can't be like Chelsea and Todd which would be spending money way more than you should, on players that do not even deserve that much money, and expect good results neither. The only way to get better is to spend right amount of money to the right players.
That's absolutely true, I think the effect will also be to end the cooperation more quickly. About Man United there is something that makes me surprised, Ten Hag recruited Hojlund and Sofyan Amrabat while injured. I think the Dutch coach is quite brave in taking risks, but it seems that so far his moves have not produced results. The latest defeat to Brighton really disappointed United fans, especially losing at home. I'm waiting for the match between Chelsea and Bournemouth, whether they will have the same fate as The Red Devils.

The young squad built by Pochettino, almost the same as Ten Hag, has yet to show signs of revival. However, in terms of players recruited by Man United, they are better than Chelsea. I think both United and Chelsea will find it difficult to finish in the UCL zone at the end of the season.
Chelsea is equipped with some young promising squad with a bright future if properly well managed and well coached by a good tactician like Pochettino unfortunately the clubs fans are hungry for an instant result which is absolutely not possible, the team needed some time for their players to gel with each other atleast next season, as for Man Utd it's seem their own problems is irredeemable despite the huge investment on the club by the Glaziers family yet the club hasn't live up to expectations, since the departure of Sir Alex Ferguson the club had never had it well in term of winning trophies which had been attributed to the poor performances of the managers exactly what is playing out presently with Erik ten Hag.

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September 17, 2023, 09:43:24 AM
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Just because the owner is willing to spend money, that doesn't mean that the club will get better, if you misspend that money then you are going to stay a terrible team. Doesn't mean that you can do wonders without spending neither, Pep spent hundreds of millions of dollars to be this good, but at least he did the right moves while spending it.

So, you can't be like United and Glazers family and just not spend anything you do not have to, they basically spend the bare minimum to keep them competing, but you can't be like Chelsea and Todd which would be spending money way more than you should, on players that do not even deserve that much money, and expect good results neither. The only way to get better is to spend right amount of money to the right players.

That is right and I think Pep Guardiola is a great role model for a manager who is massive resources available but yet a well-considered and reasonable approach to building a really strong squad.

Since 2016 Guardiola has spent roughly £1 billion for new players with Grealish being the most expensive for £100 million. He also got Haaland for only £52 million. He made a number of high quality transfers and knew exactly what player he needs for a specific position, but also for the consistency and balance within the team in terms of character, quality and strength.

But this isn't the end of the story. Guardiola also let go players and his net spending since 2016 is £478 million. They have won 14 trophies including the treble.

Manchester United has had a net spending of £835 million over the same period of time.

And over the last five years Manchester City's net spending ranks 10th among the Premier League teams. Respect!

Manchester City has definitely been very careful about spending money. They have brought in the players that they actually need. They did not overspend at all. Well maybe we can say something different about Jack Grealish. I do not think he deserved that big of a transfer money. But I guess that’s okay. Considering how much money people are spending right now for players. They have actually brought in very good results for the amount of money that they have spent so far. I don’t think not a lot of clubs can actually say that. Especially not Manchester United. They have spent stupid money for a lot of players that did not give them almost anything.

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Source: https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1703312833629311140

We haven't heard from him for a long time, now Julian Draxler is confirmed to be joining Al-Ahli SC. It seems that at PSG he was isolated and was never included in the coach's list, even last season he was loaned to Benfica. He actually still has one season left on his contract with PSG, but considering there is an offer from Al-Ahli, it seems like there is an opportunity for PSG to sell him immediately. I think it is a shame that talents like Julain Draxler are not utilized properly in Europe. However, this is also the right decision for Julian Draxler to leave PSG and continue his career in the Qatar League. Julian Draxler signed a contract lasting until 2025 with Al-Ahli SC.

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Just because the owner is willing to spend money, that doesn't mean that the club will get better, if you misspend that money then you are going to stay a terrible team. Doesn't mean that you can do wonders without spending neither, Pep spent hundreds of millions of dollars to be this good, but at least he did the right moves while spending it.

So, you can't be like United and Glazers family and just not spend anything you do not have to, they basically spend the bare minimum to keep them competing, but you can't be like Chelsea and Todd which would be spending money way more than you should, on players that do not even deserve that much money, and expect good results neither. The only way to get better is to spend right amount of money to the right players.
Since Sir Alex Ferguson left Manchester United, the club has lost their status as one of the best clubs in Europe despite all the huge expenses by the management of the club that's led by the Glazers. So many managers has been hired and so many has also been fired because of lack of poor results which is why most people believes the club's main problem is from the owners of the club hence the call for the Glazers to leave the club.
I've tried to wrap my head around the popular opinion that the Glazers are the reason behind the club's decline but couldn't come with anything as to why they're considered as the reason behind United's poor performances despite all the huge money they've invested in the club.

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September 17, 2023, 10:17:27 AM
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Rafael could be valued at €80-100m but the tag of  175 million for a player of his kind is not worth considering the fact that his performance is not worth that amount and I trust Pep Guardiola to seek another alternative and probably get a very good youngster compared to or better than Leao for a cheaper price.
We never really know with the Premier League. For some reason, I see teams in the Premier League making a lot of expensive purchases even though in the end they end up being unsuccessful players in the new team. One example is Maguire, Sancho, or Keita where the price they received when recruited did not match what they could provide to the club. Somehow I think City will still consider getting Rafael Leao's signature.

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September 17, 2023, 10:41:28 AM
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Rafael could be valued at €80-100m but the tag of  175 million for a player of his kind is not worth considering the fact that his performance is not worth that amount and I trust Pep Guardiola to seek another alternative and probably get a very good youngster compared to or better than Leao for a cheaper price.
We never really know with the Premier League. For some reason, I see teams in the Premier League making a lot of expensive purchases even though in the end they end up being unsuccessful players in the new team. One example is Maguire, Sancho, or Keita where the price they received when recruited did not match what they could provide to the club. Somehow I think City will still consider getting Rafael Leao's signature.

I think that is not necessarily a problem for the Premier League. It is often times the players. Joao Felix failed at Atletico Madrid, then he went to Chelsea and failed there, and now we need to see whether he will again fail at Barcelona in La Liga. I know he scored one gaol now, but that doesn't mean he won't fail again.

But what is true is that the Premier League has more money available than any other league and for that reason also pay higher prices for players, which makes it even more look like a failure when they overpay players and they fail.

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September 17, 2023, 10:42:55 AM
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Since Sir Alex Ferguson left Manchester United, the club has lost their status as one of the best clubs in Europe despite all the huge expenses by the management of the club that's led by the Glazers. So many managers has been hired and so many has also been fired because of lack of poor results which is why most people believes the club's main problem is from the owners of the club hence the call for the Glazers to leave the club.
I've tried to wrap my head around the popular opinion that the Glazers are the reason behind the club's decline but couldn't come with anything as to why they're considered as the reason behind United's poor performances despite all the huge money they've invested in the club.
I think everyone will agree that the initial cause of the destruction of Man United's performance was certainly the policies of the Glazer family itself. If we are not selfish and want to let Man United go, maybe we will see well-organized club management and an adequate budget. If it continues, I think it's just a matter of time before the public, especially Man United fans, demands it. This season's purchases alone are enough to prove that the Glazer family does not want to take risks by spending money on the club's needs.

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September 17, 2023, 10:54:55 AM
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We haven't heard from him for a long time, now Julian Draxler is confirmed to be joining Al-Ahli SC. It seems that at PSG he was isolated and was never included in the coach's list, even last season he was loaned to Benfica. He actually still has one season left on his contract with PSG, but considering there is an offer from Al-Ahli, it seems like there is an opportunity for PSG to sell him immediately. I think it is a shame that talents like Julain Draxler are not utilized properly in Europe. However, this is also the right decision for Julian Draxler to leave PSG and continue his career in the Qatar League. Julian Draxler signed a contract lasting until 2025 with Al-Ahli SC.
Idk why does PSG coach was always distrust him. He deserves a chance to play in the main squad. Im happy to see he was taking the right decision to leave from PSG. He can be even more useful in al ahli. Ahli needs a new player but it surprises me that to see his news is just coming up this time. Julian has no choice but to join in al ahli as a team that needs his service since there was no EU club who was interested in signing him at this moment. He deserves better environment to play rather than he was always sitting on the bench.
That's why unused talent like him shall come to the saudi pro league and they will get a proper place to continue his career and receive good salary from SPL.
PSG thinks sell him now is much more better than keep him till his contract will be running out. I wonder how much his salary once he will join in al ahli.

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September 17, 2023, 11:49:59 AM
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Chelsea is equipped with some young promising squad with a bright future if properly well managed and well coached by a good tactician like Pochettino unfortunately the clubs fans are hungry for an instant result which is absolutely not possible, the team needed some time for their players to gel with each other atleast next season
Lol, Pochettino is nothing different to Potter.

Even though Potter were making many mistakes in big transfers, but there are some good players e.g. Enzo, Nkunku, and Sterling.

What Pochettino done in this season? nothing, there's no successful transfer until now. Signed Cole Palmer for 44 Million Euros, contribute nothing. Signed Robert Poor Sanchez for 23 Million Euros and lend Kepa to Real Madrid. Signed Caicedo for 128 Million Euros, and other young players that playing in an unknown league.
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Source: https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1703312833629311140

We haven't heard from him for a long time, now Julian Draxler is confirmed to be joining Al-Ahli SC. It seems that at PSG he was isolated and was never included in the coach's list, even last season he was loaned to Benfica. He actually still has one season left on his contract with PSG, but considering there is an offer from Al-Ahli, it seems like there is an opportunity for PSG to sell him immediately. I think it is a shame that talents like Julain Draxler are not utilized properly in Europe. However, this is also the right decision for Julian Draxler to leave PSG and continue his career in the Qatar League. Julian Draxler signed a contract lasting until 2025 with Al-Ahli SC.
With PSG Julian Draxler has been removed from Luis Enrique list of mainstay players and it seems like it was the right decision to leave PSG to play or seek title opportunities with another team, but unfortunately Julian Draxler had to join Al Ahli SC in the Qatar league instead of playing with a European team because Al Ahli SC has experienced a slump or decline in performance in the last few seasons.
At the start of the Qatar Stars League season Al Ahli SC performed very poorly and they couldn't even get a single win so the joining of Julian Draxler will probably only make him a player who is struggling to get a new achievement.

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September 17, 2023, 12:26:52 PM
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Since Sir Alex Ferguson left Manchester United, the club has lost their status as one of the best clubs in Europe despite all the huge expenses by the management of the club that's led by the Glazers. So many managers has been hired and so many has also been fired because of lack of poor results which is why most people believes the club's main problem is from the owners of the club hence the call for the Glazers to leave the club.
I've tried to wrap my head around the popular opinion that the Glazers are the reason behind the club's decline but couldn't come with anything as to why they're considered as the reason behind United's poor performances despite all the huge money they've invested in the club.
I think everyone will agree that the initial cause of the destruction of Man United's performance was certainly the policies of the Glazer family itself. If we are not selfish and want to let Man United go, maybe we will see well-organized club management and an adequate budget. If it continues, I think it's just a matter of time before the public, especially Man United fans, demands it. This season's purchases alone are enough to prove that the Glazer family does not want to take risks by spending money on the club's needs.
Man United's infrastructure did not experience development after the Glazers completely acquired Man United. Glazers' priority is investments that can fatten their own wallets so that academy development and recruitment do not make convincing progress. It's as if they don't care if on-field performance experiences a slump as long as their commercial side of the business is profitable.

I don't think Glazer using his own money to spend on players at Manchester United and it is very likely that the funds come from club revenue or it could be the funds he borrowed and charged to the club. If the owner's vision and point of view are like that, I think it will be difficult for Man United to escape their slump.

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September 17, 2023, 01:15:03 PM
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Chelsea is equipped with some young promising squad with a bright future if properly well managed and well coached by a good tactician like Pochettino unfortunately the clubs fans are hungry for an instant result which is absolutely not possible, the team needed some time for their players to gel with each other atleast next season
Lol, Pochettino is nothing different to Potter.

Even though Potter were making many mistakes in big transfers, but there are some good players e.g. Enzo, Nkunku, and Sterling.

What Pochettino done in this season? nothing, there's no successful transfer until now. Signed Cole Palmer for 44 Million Euros, contribute nothing. Signed Robert Poor Sanchez for 23 Million Euros and lend Kepa to Real Madrid. Signed Caicedo for 128 Million Euros, and other young players that playing in an unknown league.

I would say signing young players is a good idea for the future. As for current signings, I would say some big names and unnecessary spends. There are areas where they had to spend but they chose to spend in attack only. The management has no idea of what to sign in order to make the team strong.

Signing Cole Palmer was a nice idea because they need someone as an attacking midfielder but I think they should have gotten a much better name with bit more over that price. Again I will reiterate that Chelsea are making unecessary spends which is why they are making no progress at all.
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September 17, 2023, 01:22:34 PM
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Manchester City has definitely been very careful about spending money. They have brought in the players that they actually need. They did not overspend at all. Well maybe we can say something different about Jack Grealish. I do not think he deserved that big of a transfer money. But I guess that’s okay. Considering how much money people are spending right now for players. They have actually brought in very good results for the amount of money that they have spent so far. I don’t think not a lot of clubs can actually say that. Especially not Manchester United. They have spent stupid money for a lot of players that did not give them almost anything.

At first I thought the same and then yes, it was because all those prices for any players of any quality were suffering from inflation literally. The prices were irrational and nobody could understand them. It was about that time when Grealish was bought and unless players have a clause that they can leave the club for a fixed sum of money like De Bruyne and Haaland I think, Manchester City is a rich club and the others make them pay for it. But still the difference between Manchester City and Chelsea is that Grealish became an essential player for the team. He is important to the whole game and perfectly fits into the system that Guardiola wants. If you see it that way, Manchester City spends 100 million once and it is good. Chelsea spends 70 million four times and none of the players delivers.

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September 17, 2023, 02:06:23 PM
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I know Chelsea are not doing well at the moment,but I am optimistic that by the time Chelsea players will know themselves well,and blend well together,there will be a cahnge.They are not playing a bad football,they have a pattern of play,but it hasn't worked well for now,maybe Pochetino needs to introduce a new tactics because what makes one a good coach is when he uses multiple tactics to acquire a desired results.

Chelsea has been playing good football because they have been dominating games and having high passing bit they lack final touches and that's the biggest problem the squad have. Pochettino is trying his best but he needs to do better because he isn't coaching a small team but a big team that has won multiple premier league and champions league trophies. I thought things would have changed with the introduction of Pochettino but it's looking like the club is bigger than him. Pochettino hasn't won major trophies in his career so it'll be hard for him to take Chelsea to silverware but we hope he gets the team to qualify for the champion league next season, atleast if we can achieved that this season, that'll be a great achievement because the club missed out of the competition last season and it has made us a mid team.

In fact, Chelsea mostly bought players they didn't really need, when Pochetino joined the teams they sold many players but still, I think spent money on players with low quality.
Pochetino tried to change the team but still, the Chelsea we see is not the team to be at the top of the table with the situation we see from them.

Chelsea sold players that weren't needed in the team but the mistake they made wasn't using the money wisely in signing quality players that can transform the fate of the club. They signed mostly young players that won't be needed until in the future. Chelsea coach Pochettino isn't helping matters because he's using the wrong formation. The game that's ongoing is quite interesting because he finally gave mudrky the opportunity to start and if he continues like this he'll give the guy some confidence to play well in other games. Pochettino isn't a bad manager but I guess he's under too much pressure that's why he's making mistakes on his formation but as the squad and the managers get to pay more games they'll get to know each other better.

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September 17, 2023, 02:12:54 PM
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Source: https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1703312833629311140

We haven't heard from him for a long time, now Julian Draxler is confirmed to be joining Al-Ahli SC. It seems that at PSG he was isolated and was never included in the coach's list, even last season he was loaned to Benfica. He actually still has one season left on his contract with PSG, but considering there is an offer from Al-Ahli, it seems like there is an opportunity for PSG to sell him immediately. I think it is a shame that talents like Julain Draxler are not utilized properly in Europe. However, this is also the right decision for Julian Draxler to leave PSG and continue his career in the Qatar League. Julian Draxler signed a contract lasting until 2025 with Al-Ahli SC.
With PSG Julian Draxler has been removed from Luis Enrique list of mainstay players and it seems like it was the right decision to leave PSG to play or seek title opportunities with another team, but unfortunately Julian Draxler had to join Al Ahli SC in the Qatar league instead of playing with a European team because Al Ahli SC has experienced a slump or decline in performance in the last few seasons.
At the start of the Qatar Stars League season Al Ahli SC performed very poorly and they couldn't even get a single win so the joining of Julian Draxler will probably only make him a player who is struggling to get a new achievement.
In fact, if we go back about 9 years, Julian Draxler was a phenomenal figure and he was also part of the German national team that won the 2014 World Cup. Since then he has continued to develop with two other German teams such as Schalke and Wolfsburg before PSG finally became interested in recruiting him in 2017. And since then he has been part of PSG for 6 years. Time feels so fast indeed and suddenly his name began to sink in the past few seasons. Whatever it is, what Julian Draxler needs now is to be able to play football again and get the minutes he deserves, I hope he can find his form again with Al-Ahli SC.

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September 17, 2023, 02:17:55 PM
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Source: https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1703312833629311140

We haven't heard from him for a long time, now Julian Draxler is confirmed to be joining Al-Ahli SC. It seems that at PSG he was isolated and was never included in the coach's list, even last season he was loaned to Benfica. He actually still has one season left on his contract with PSG, but considering there is an offer from Al-Ahli, it seems like there is an opportunity for PSG to sell him immediately. I think it is a shame that talents like Julain Draxler are not utilized properly in Europe. However, this is also the right decision for Julian Draxler to leave PSG and continue his career in the Qatar League. Julian Draxler signed a contract lasting until 2025 with Al-Ahli SC.

I don't know whether Draxer was overrated or whether he hasn't gotten the right chance at the right club, but in terms of achievements his career is a failure. He has made tons of money so no reason to complain for him, but he never really made it to the top players in any team and has never really been first choice. Now he is doing the same as everybody else, says goodbye to professional soccer and hello to oil money. Cheesy i wonder what his salary is, if anyone has some information I would appreciate if you share it. I wonder if they also pay salaries as high as the Saudi clubs.

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