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April 23, 2017, 10:10:36 AM
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To my knowledge a registered agent doesn't have to work for the company, at least in my state.  Mine doesn't work for my corp.



Don't try to dismiss the obvious. A registered agent isn't going to have random people's LLCs registered to her home address. How hard you are trying to defend this scam seals the deal for me that you are the "mastermind" behind this. May I ask where did you find the suckers to do the video for you on the front page?
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April 23, 2017, 10:24:45 AM
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To be fully  clear anyone that buys this without me showing a demo unit that works is a Moron
They have yet to offer a unit to me for the demo.



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I did some digging...

https://businesssearch.sos.ca.gov/CBS/SearchResults?SearchType=LPLLC&SearchCriteria=foxminers&SearchSubType=Keyword

shows the foxminer llc is registered under

BRENDA MAE LEE MORTON
634 WEST PARR AVE UNIT 117
LOS GATOS CA 95032

According to public records there is a brenda mae morton living in los gatos:

https://www.beenverified.com/people/brenda-mae-morton/

Anything seems off? YES! The fact that her age is 62 years old! How likely is a 62 year old woman to all of a sudden be responsible for producing cutting edge ASICS?

hey that is not right I am 60 and a man.  While I can not produce a cutting edge Asic  I could get a 40 acre solar farm for mining built.  When I was in the Navy  in computer schools  there was a girl in one class that would be 61  she was a mad genius so I think a 62 year old woman could certainly get it done.

So Brenda if you are reading this thread  send me a pm and send me a unit to demo.

same to  you have her send me a demo unit.
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the seller below was not trusted everyone basically said fuck you

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1668461.0

I said this is simple I am well know dozens of people have my address and phone number.  Send me the gear upfront and I will demo it.

If I like it I will buy it.  If I don't like it I will send it back.

I wrote a long review I liked it I demoed it.  I purchased it.  I sold it to a local miner and made about 200 usd when all was said and done.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1733723.0  this is the review thread.

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April 23, 2017, 11:09:51 AM
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LOL.  Ah no.  I'm not your alleged scammer.  That research and recounting some of my learned life experience ain't hard.  Feel free to waste as much time as you want trying to prove it though.  I understand being completely objective is hard, especially in this particular 'world'.  I've always thought playing devil's advocate is an important tool in decision making.
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April 23, 2017, 12:12:28 PM
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EDIT 2 lines added:

To be fully  clear anyone that buys this without me showing a demo unit that works is a Moron
They have yet to offer a unit to me for the demo.



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Talking Devil's advocate.

A nvidia 1080 ti rig with 6 cards  will do 4200h of zec  

power = 1400 watts  at 10 cents about 100 usd a month

  it earns about 765 usd a month so net =  665 usd a month

A rig can be built for 4k

this gear is 4k
uses 1500 watts  about 110 usd a month

should earn around 1310 usd a month or 1200 profit.



The Nvidia is real and has 3 year warranties the 1080 ti cards  were here  and I get a 9% discount

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Zotac-Video-Card-ZT-P10810A-10P-GTX-1080-Ti-Founders-Edition-11GB-GDDR5X-352-bit-/132157486663?

Now none of us know about this gear  but  if I buy  t-9's  with psu's  I need 6

cost    = 8200 usd
power = 9000 watts
hash   = 75th

earns 1310  
power  648

net      552

I see something  and it :

 goes like this  20 billion usd in btc wallets   you only need a password to get the coin.

Nvidia  a 53 billion dollar company   is propping up Zec  as a way to access BTC wallets  legally and BTC owners are happy to trade away BTC.

This dynamic makes  people want to believe in The Foxminer.

Lets go one more step.  They send me a pm and agree to send me the miner.  And it really works!  What happens if this is the case?

All  miners are completely obsolete.  So how to compete against this Foxminer gear.  Simple bitmain floods the market with s-9's  We all know they could build more of them we all know they can sell well under 1000 dollars.  And if you have dirt cheap power  you can still be in the game.

So frankly I don't care if it is real or fake  I have zero public opinion if it is either.

But I can buy the nvidia  setup and get BTC cheaper then buying any real proven  asic miner in the world. FACT no BS

 So my position here is simple  I would not send anything to them upfront as I don't need the unproven gear.

They can send me a demo I will run it and show it. If I like it I will buy it. If I don't like it I will ship it back to them.

In the meantime I will be building Nvidia gpu rigs  to mine Zec to cash to BTC.

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April 23, 2017, 02:15:09 PM
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Hey guys, we just got a C&D letter from their supposed lawfirm.

You know who send out chickenshit C&D's like this ? It's people who have something to hide, that's who.

Keep fighting the good fight, TheMerkle !

Crapping on new cryptocurrency advances is very popular.  The zillion new 'journalists need something to do.

Crapping on new "cryptocurrency advances" that fly in the face of physics and engineering is nothing new. We see these scams all the time, offering outrageous order-of-magnitude increases in hash-rate, over the closest legitimate vendor.

I've lost count of these sort of schemes I've seen, since ASICs became a thing in Bitcoin.

Seems like Cointelegraph did a much better job of structuring their language as opinion when they don't have proof.  They might still get a C&D too, who knows.

Dear Transparent Shill,

Please fuck off back under the bridge where you belong.

Love,

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April 23, 2017, 03:00:27 PM
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NotFuzzy had it right in the first place... IGNORE this moronic shill. 

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April 23, 2017, 06:36:58 PM
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Talking Devil's advocate.

A nvidia 1080 ti rig with 6 cards  will do 4200h of zec  

power = 1400 watts  at 10 cents about 100 usd a month

  it earns about 765 usd a month so net =  665 usd a month

A rig can be built for 4k

this gear is 4k
uses 1500 watts  about 110 usd a month

should earn around 1310 usd a month or 1200 profit.



The Nvidia is real and has 3 year warranties the 1080 ti cards  were here  and I get a 9% discount

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Zotac-Video-Card-ZT-P10810A-10P-GTX-1080-Ti-Founders-Edition-11GB-GDDR5X-352-bit-/132157486663?

Now none of us know about this gear  but  if I buy  t-9's  with psu's  I need 6

cost    = 8200 usd
power = 9000 watts
hash   = 75th

earns 1310  
power  648

net      552

I see something  and it :

 goes like this  20 billion usd in btc wallets   you only need a password to get the coin.

Nvidia  a 53 billion dollar company   is propping up Zec  as a way to access BTC wallets  legally and BTC owners are happy to trade away BTC.

This dynamic makes  people want to believe in The Foxminer.

Lets go one more step.  They send me a pm and agree to send me the miner.  And it really works!  What happens if this is the case?

All  miners are completely obsolete.  So how to compete against this Foxminer gear.  Simple bitmain floods the market with s-9's  We all know they could build more of them we all know they can sell well under 1000 dollars.  And if you have dirt cheap power  you can still be in the game.

So frankly I don't care if it is real or fake  I have zero public opinion if it is either.

But I can buy the nvidia  setup and get BTC cheaper then buying any real proven  asic miner in the world. FACT no BS

 So my position here is simple  I would not send anything to them upfront as I don't need the unproven gear.

They can send me a demo I will run it and show it. If I like it I will buy it. If I don't like it I will ship it back to them.

In the meantime I will be building Nvidia gpu rigs  to mine Zec to cash to BTC.

I don't want to build or buy either.  I stick with my trading strategies.  As with conventional company stock trading (haha, there's the real scam for most now IMO) I learn as much as I can about the currencies and relationships of other things to what I trade.  That's why I'm here.  I have research on ZEC and what you stated is roughly part of it.  It's a risk AND an opportunity to me.  I mitigate my highest risk on several cryptocurrencies as well trading, I just don't buy or build rigs.  I think they're cool, and I used to build stuff a long time ago, but lost interest in actually doing it when life just got too damn busy.  

Is that the newest bestest brightest Nvidia card that has been discussed briefly in your 4-part rig mega-thread?  I'll take it on your rep that you pretty much know you can build THAT rig, despite a glitch or 5 as sometimes occurs when performing such an activity for the first of 19th time.  My guess is you are a bit concerned about nearly quadrupling (guess from memory) your usual rig investment given the usual obsolescence period of most computing devices and the fact that you aren't in real control of the currency exchange rates.  I recall you mitigate that risk in a couple ways, but 4K isn't pocket change to me either.

Your rough analysis of the Nvidia gpu rig (that you build) vs this Foxminer which is currently vapor seems to mean  it COULD be done, and if the thing isn't a scam you'd roughly double monthly profit using it.  My question to you is this:  Is the sole technical objection here about different transistor sizes, leads, etc between the specs for these chips in the two rigs, in relation to speed of light, moore's law, signal bleed at an ultramicroscopic scale, roughly?

I'm outta time, didn't ignore the s-9 bit.  Maybe more later.
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April 23, 2017, 07:06:52 PM
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delicopsch56 - what the hell are you talking about? 2+2 = SCAM.

and philipma1957 - why are you trying so hard to defend this dirty scammer? Did your old brain buy into this scam?

The moron is using a lawyers credentials thats FRAUD
The moron registered an LLC under a stolen identity FRAUD
The moron took a ZEUS Miner and slapped a sticker on it. FRAUD


Go and visit the Los Gatos headquarters. Otherwise if you keep on mentioning how it might be legit go and buy their 20k machine.

This forum seems full of idiots who can't even do basic google research.
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Obvious scam is obvious, take a look at their checkout page address generation code for proof.

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They don't even bother to generate unique payment addresses for orders like any legitimate business would do, they just randomly select an address to show the user from a preloaded list in javascript. They wouldn't even be able to see who paid for an order since it's all done client side in javascript.
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April 23, 2017, 10:16:39 PM
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I don't care if it is real or fake.
I am not sending any coin to them.
If you read what I said I said please  pm me and send me a demo unit.

They have not sent me a pm.

So draw your own conclusions.  Based on my track record  they have zero reason to think I will run off with the machine.

If it is real they have 4000 reasons X their stock to send me a demo.

So far no offer to send a demo.

Last company in this spot sent me a demo that was pandaminer  they now sell out instantly.

So once again if this is real gear they would contact me and arrange for the demo unit to show it is real gear .

They did not  make the arrangement {b] so draw a conclusion from that.[/b]

BTW this has occurred about 20 times  with gear.  2 people send me working gear  18 did not.

the 2 sending me gear had real gear
One was  the panda miner
one  was a guy selling red fury usb sticks in 2013.

 all the other did not sell any gear.
They ripped people off.


So this offer I make has been pretty good at sniffing out real gear.

So far no pm or contact from them.

I don't care about anything but them sending me the demo unit for zero cost for the demo. I will pay them once it arrives and works okay. Or I will send it back to them if I don't like it.  If I send it back I will pay to ship it back and I will pay what they spent to ship it to me. So they will not lose out if I return it.

Once again no offer for the demo.

I am taking all science away as to if it works or if it does not work.

I am asking for the demo machine. to test it for all to see.




To be fully  clear anyone that buys this with out me showing a demo unit that works is a Moron


A suggestion to everyone see the line above  add it to the top of your posts every post I did now has that line.

If you want to you could put it this way

To be fully  clear anyone that buys this with out ( insert  a trusted name me , -ck, OgNasty , NotFuzzyWarm)   showing a demo unit that works is a Moron

You do not need to call it fake  just be honest and ask for a demo unit to be sent on every post. Put in a top notch name to demo it. I no longer say someone is fake I just ask for a unit to demo.

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***  Foxminers LLC If someone buys this miner without a well-known and trusted Forum User 1st getting one for doing a review and posting it here then well, you have been warned ***

Frankly, the clincher of this being a fraud should be that their spec sheet is a near exact copy of SFARAD's https://github.com/sfards/ASIC-SF3301/blob/master/SF3301_Datasheet_v0.51.pdf Logic structure, commands and even the ball map of the chip is identical.

The only differences is the cover art, the chip name, and what they claim specs are. Oh, and the COPYRIGHT notice. They erased SFARAD's and put in one for them. Now THAT takes some balls especially since they have tried a C&D on TheMerkel.

Now, MAYBE these folks bought the rights to the SFARAD's chip and marketing info. Fine. That they would have found a miracle cure for why the chip failed - eg found a way to massively increase speed while dropping its power usage and then have the financial resources to have the modified chip manufactured much less those specs being even possible at the 28nm node is what I refuse to accept without hard proof.

Original specs for the SF3301:
BTC mode up to 80GH/s with 0.31W/GH
LTC mode up to 1.89MH/s with 2.0W/MH

If they present a product claiming to be so far ahead of current tech they damn well either need to prove it or have asbestos underwear to take the heat. Provide a demo unit to a trusted person here for them to review.

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*** If someone buys this miner without a well-know and trusted Forum User 1st getting one for doing a review and posting it here then well, you have been warned ***

Frankly, the clincher of this being a fraud should be that their spec sheet is a near exact copy of SFARAD's https://github.com/sfards/ASIC-SF3301/blob/master/SF3301_Datasheet_v0.51.pdf Logic structure, commands and even the ball map of the chip is identical.

The only differences is the cover art, the chip name, and what they claim specs are. Oh, and the COPYRIGHT notice. They erased SFARAD's and put in one for them. Now THAT takes some balls especially since they have tried a C&D on TheMerkel.

Now, MAYBE these folks bought the rights to the SFARAD's chip and marketing info. Fine. That they would have found a miracle cure for why the chip failed - eg found a way to massively increase speed while dropping its power usage and then have the financial resources to have the modified chip manufactured much less those specs being even possible at the 28nm node is what I refuse to accept without hard proof.

Original specs for the SF3301:
BTC mode up to 80GH/s with 0.31W/GH
LTC mode up to 1.89MH/s with 2.0W/MH

If they present a product claiming to be so far ahead of current tech they damn well either need to prove it or have asbestos underwear to take the heat. Provide a demo unit to a trusted person here for them to review.

Thank  you for the post.

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April 24, 2017, 02:36:41 AM
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*** If someone buys this miner without a well-know and trusted Forum User 1st getting one for doing a review and posting it here then well, you have been warned ***

Frankly, the clincher of this being a fraud should be that their spec sheet is a near exact copy of SFARAD's https://github.com/sfards/ASIC-SF3301/blob/master/SF3301_Datasheet_v0.51.pdf Logic structure, commands and even the ball map of the chip is identical.

The only differences is the cover art, the chip name, and what they claim specs are. Oh, and the COPYRIGHT notice. They erased SFARAD's and put in one for them. Now THAT takes some balls especially since they have tried a C&D on TheMerkel.

Now, MAYBE these folks bought the rights to the SFARAD's chip and marketing info. Fine. That they would have found a miracle cure for why the chip failed - eg found a way to massively increase speed while dropping its power usage and then have the financial resources to have the modified chip manufactured much less those specs being even possible at the 28nm node is what I refuse to accept without hard proof.

Original specs for the SF3301:
BTC mode up to 80GH/s with 0.31W/GH
LTC mode up to 1.89MH/s with 2.0W/MH

If they present a product claiming to be so far ahead of current tech they damn well either need to prove it or have asbestos underwear to take the heat. Provide a demo unit to a trusted person here for them to review.

Yeah, I definitely agree with you that the spec sheets are shockingly similar.  I did a comparison of the sheets on this site, lots easier than eye scan..
https://draftable.com/compare/hYFmXGvTJdxh .  Looks like their website said open source chip design, but if the 2015 thing didn't work or as advertised in the first place, there's a pretty strong sign, agreed.  I also noticed they pulled the power supply reference to another doc completely.  Somebody referenced a three year old document and I didn't understand what that meant, because I'd never seen the thing before today.

I've been somewhat involved in another emerging industry since 2008.  It isn't this complex but I did eventually learn it well enough I could smell a fraud or likely flop without full analysis.  The products were initially shitty and expensive, but the vendors\manufacturers did learn after a few years that they needed to do about the same thing, either sell betas at a very reduced rate, or send some out for free to trusted reviewers to build trust in their products.  But, I didn't really have a financial dog in the fight other than an informed consumer. 

So, I suppose I can understand why you guys are being so ... whatever offends you least to this new guy as I have seen my share of presale scams and vanishing funds from startups in other industries too.  I cannot speak this tech language precisely yet, so I've tried to write in higher level terms.  I'll learn it, with or without your help, but I'm just trying to learn more detail.  And I'll contribute on easier pieces that I know for sure while I'm here, as I already have.  I simply wasn't expecting this reception when I'm not the OP.  I saw some of the same stuff about this supposed new product on Google on the 21st I think, and came to check it out here.  The thread was here, I posted.  Sorry, in hindsight I'd likely have asked questions about a known working ASIC.

Perhaps at this level of complexity with the myriad of coins and algorithms and asics and coin features, phillipma has the most common sense solution.  Businesslike requests for demo units, loan, delayed payment, escrows, whatever to trusted guys that can tell for sure if it works from a real live run otherwise maybe just pitch the thread in an unconfirmed likely scam product thread. 

I frequent another forum that has immense power to recover actual unpaid monies through their long affiliation with the industry.  On the order of 350K a year for 15 years, and I believe them because I recovered money myself using their arbitration process.  Different situation, but big forums have power.  I saw that there is something of a scam process here, so the exact thing probably wouldn't work, these were companies that stayed in business, but I think this place could have the power to turn the tables on this kind of stuff and play offense rather than defense.
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April 24, 2017, 03:30:54 AM
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There are a lot of bad people  in the crypto game.

There are good people in the crypto game.

this is me

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=64507
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=64507

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they are good credentials I have been on other forums

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April 24, 2017, 04:45:58 AM
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Damn, looks like people are paying them

https://blockchain.info/address/1Ko6n7hC9aiHqbTDnSemfzAkrLUfh7i84N

Edit: and more

https://blockchain.info/address/19hgd15L8ZKWGtngEAXmiu5hVSr4wwSD1R
https://blockchain.info/address/178PUWErgp8VoSksLjxpLjC3Na3hXxTSvN
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Look at this video from Fox miners: https://vimeo.com/210288662
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The company Foxminers LLC was registered on the 6th April this year, you would think that they would have been registered for years in order to offset the huge losses incurred  in the development of this wonder product. If this tech was possible you would just create a farm yourself, it would be insanely profitable.

201710410399    FOXMINERS LLC
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Jurisdiction:CALIFORNIA
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Status:ACTIVE
Agent for Service of Process:BRENDA MAE LEE MORTON
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Entity Address:634 WEST PARR AVE UNIT 117
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The company Foxminers LLC was registered on the 6th April this year, you would think that they would have been registered for years in order to offset the huge losses incurred  in the development of this wonder product. If this tech was possible you would just create a farm yourself, it would be insanely profitable.

201710410399    FOXMINERS LLC
Registration Date:04/06/2017
Jurisdiction:CALIFORNIA
Entity Type:DOMESTIC
Status:ACTIVE
Agent for Service of Process:BRENDA MAE LEE MORTON
634 WEST PARR AVE UNIT 117
LOS GATOS CA 95032
Entity Address:634 WEST PARR AVE UNIT 117
LOS GATOS CA 95032
Entity Mailing Address:634 WEST PARR AVE UNIT 117
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Is it her https://www.facebook.com/brenda.m.morton ?
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April 24, 2017, 12:41:59 PM
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***  Foxminers LLC If someone buys this miner without a well-known and trusted Forum User 1st getting one for doing a review and posting it here then well, you have been warned ***

<snip>  
So, I suppose I can understand why you guys are being so ... whatever offends you least to this new guy as I have seen my share of presale scams and vanishing funds from startups in other industries too. <snip>
So glad you saw the light Smiley
Ja, there is little tolerance here for folks who may even unwittingly defend or help scams. Just be glad the *real* scam buster folks here did not pick up on this! They tend to foam at the mouth a lot, go offensively nuclear and really rip into folks. At least we were fairly civil about it. Blunt, sarcastic, and definitely giving no ground, but civil.

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April 24, 2017, 12:59:52 PM
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I sent a complaint to Secretary of State in California.  since they claim to be located in California, the Department of State has jurisdiction to comply with Business laws of California.





The company Foxminers LLC was registered on the 6th April this year, you would think that they would have been registered for years in order to offset the huge losses incurred  in the development of this wonder product. If this tech was possible you would just create a farm yourself, it would be insanely profitable.

201710410399    FOXMINERS LLC
Registration Date:04/06/2017
Jurisdiction:CALIFORNIA
Entity Type:DOMESTIC
Status:ACTIVE
Agent for Service of Process:BRENDA MAE LEE MORTON
634 WEST PARR AVE UNIT 117
LOS GATOS CA 95032
Entity Address:634 WEST PARR AVE UNIT 117
LOS GATOS CA 95032
Entity Mailing Address:634 WEST PARR AVE UNIT 117
LOS GATOS CA 95032
LLC ManagementMember Managed


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