Crowdfunding for nude photos/videos

[HostFat]

I had this idea in chat, while we were joking by asking to a woman how much she could accept to give us their nude photos.


The website should give the possibility (anonymously), to upload normal photo (or more than one) of a woman (or even men, in another section) and a way to contact here (email, facebook page ...) of which want their nude photos.

So there will be a list of all those women.

Then it will be possible to donate money to those women, to their photos.

The donated money will be public visible (not their donators), so everyone (the listed women also), will be able to see how much is on the table for their nude photos.
It can even be possible to donate for more specific things, like breasts, ass, video, ...

Those money could also be withdrawn, maybe after a while, if they were not used for any woman.
Like after 30 days.

The website will be not about porn, only nude photos. No sex, no masturbation, no toys ...

When a woman will think that the money deposited on the website for their photos are enough, then she will make a nude photo of herself, with some things to be sure that it is real/authentic.

Competition
The donators will be able to put their money on more women at the same time.
So the women will know that if they don't put out their nude photos early, another woman will probably get them (the money)
From the other point of view, donators will hardly put their money on every possible woman on the website.

The website should also show some stats about how much money are shared between every single women.
So, the woman will be able to see at any time that there is a higher risk that another woman will take the money. (shared with them)

How does the website earn money?
The website will take likely the 1% of the money that the women win when they upload their nude photos.
The job of the website is to verify the authenticity of the photos.

The website will be obviously global.


Original italian discussion:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1880107.0


EDIT:
There will be 3 choices for the woman/man:
- Giving the photos only to the higher donator (private)
- Giving the photos to all the donators (the sum of all their money, but photo will still be "private")
- Giving the photos to the public (the sum of all the money from the donators AND the money donated to push her/him to make public nude photos)

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[nakedbitcoins]

Excellent idea! If you need a domain I'm not using NakedBitcoins.com at the moment. Let me know what kind of help you need

[p3ppymon]

Although the idea is cool, this might turn up bad as so many depraved will join.
Good luck anyway.

[PremiumCodeX]

Omg, you have figured out this project for me hehe!

Now, what I wonder is, what if one of the donators shared the pictures? You and I know that there would be people who do this.

Even in the "highest donator" case. There should be a reputation system to spot malicious donors.

[Kprawn]

There will be 3 choices for the woman/man:
- Giving the photos only to the higher donator (private)
- Giving the photos to all the donators (the sum of all their money, but photo will still be "private")
- Giving the photos to the public (the sum of all the money from the donators AND the money donated to push her/him to make public nude photos)

This part is a bit flawed.... Once those photos are out there.... the "higher donator" can re-publish it to everyone. I would rather suggest that the

photos be displayed to everyone that donated to attract more people. The "stripper" can just pre-configure his or her "Go full Monty" threshold

and once it is reached... he or she has to deliver. The moderators of the site will serve as a escrow to make sure both parties get what they

want.  

[HostFat]

@PremiumCodeX @Kprawn
I don't think that it is flawed, because the service simply doesn't care about what the higher donator or donators are going to do after receiving the photos/videos

Maybe this is an incentive for the woman to just give the photo to all the donators, to get all the money, because she knows that after this, it is easy that the photos will go public anyway.

[Kprawn]

@PremiumCodeX @Kprawn
I don't think that it is flawed, because the service simply doesn't care about what the higher donator or donators are going to do after receiving the photos/videos

Maybe this is an incentive for the woman to just give the photo to all the donators, to get all the money, because she knows that after this, it is easy that the photos will go public anyway.

Yes, true.... the service provider are not influenced ...but should they add such an option in the first place? Would it not be better to place the

bounty out there and have people collectively crowd fund for a specific goal... { to get that women or man naked }  ... If you exclude the

other donators and one donator gets the "prize" ... then people might not "donate" again. { or will other donators not be able to donate, if one

donator pay the full bounty from the start? } ....Still a very interesting idea... How are you going to regulate underage participation? { any

verification of age to prevent that from happening? } 

[HostFat]

then people might not "donate" again.

They will get they money back without any fee.
They can just put again the photo of the woman on the website and request her nude photo again

How are you going to regulate underage participation?

If the girl is underage, the website will give back the money to the investors but with a huge fee less, like 10% or more. (maybe all the money)
The girl/woman/man should give a photo of her document that show her age to get the money, also to confirm her identity.

[veleten]

how will you check if the pictures are legit?
there will be hundreds of photos from internet that cannot be checked and validated to be genuine
also why connect a woman to a photo,especially through social networks?
make it anonymous,accounts connected to a wallet addy only
limit the number of pictures submitted by one account to prevent mass abuse
and yeah titsforbits.com or nakedbitcoins.com domains are awesome  

[HostFat]

how will you check if the pictures are legit?

As the usual KYC that you need to do on exchanges.
Video with her and her ID in his hands and maybe the newspaper of the day

limit the number of pictures submitted by one account to prevent mass abuse

While the service is anonymous for the donators, it isn't the same for the women/men that want the prize.
They will need to confirm their identity.
Then there is only needed a count down before the woman/man (verified account) can add other pictures.

[Araudan]

Why people will pay for pictures ? There are billion of free porn pictures and videos available on the net already

[HostFat]

Because people want to know more about the people that are close to them.

[Kakmakr]

Why people will pay for pictures ? There are billion of free porn pictures and videos available on the net already

Simply, because you are offered something that are not free. Imagine walking down the street and imagining how this or that person will look naked? I usually do this as entertainment in a Mall, while I wait for my family. In my case, it is not done for some erotic fantasy, but rather as a fun way to spend the time. < some people will actually make you laugh, if you think about it >

Other people will do this for erotic reasons or just to satisfy their curiosity. If something is given to you on a platter, you will not appreciate it, but if you have to work for it, you might appreciate it. ^smile^

This might even be someone you know. ^lol^

[veleten]

Why people will pay for pictures ? There are billion of free porn pictures and videos available on the net already

do you know that "amateur" section draws 3-4 times more viewers than the regular pro porn actors/actresses from the established studios?
erm....not that I know too much about it
but there is more appeal to see "the girl next door"

[Kprawn]

then people might not "donate" again.

They will get they money back without any fee.
They can just put again the photo of the woman on the website and request her nude photo again

How are you going to regulate underage participation?

If the girl is underage, the website will give back the money to the investors but with a huge fee less, like 10% or more. (maybe all the money)
The girl/woman/man should give a photo of her document that show her age to get the money, also to confirm her identity.

Oh, I misunderstood your idea then... I thought the "stripper" willingly offer his clothed pictures on their site and then people pay to see if they

can get the person to take off their clothes. { Your idea seems to be different - The "customer" place a clothed photo on the sites and then dare

the person in that picture to strip for donations? } Do I get it now?

Underage photos should not even reach the point you are saying. { being "published" on your site } .... You should screen these pictures, before

they are "published" on the site and only then post them online. The ToS should state that no underage photos would be allowed and that proof

of age will be requested, if those photos failed the screening process. 

[IGCGamers]

then people might not "donate" again.

They will get they money back without any fee.
They can just put again the photo of the woman on the website and request her nude photo again

How are you going to regulate underage participation?

If the girl is underage, the website will give back the money to the investors but with a huge fee less, like 10% or more. (maybe all the money)
The girl/woman/man should give a photo of her document that show her age to get the money, also to confirm her identity.

Oh, I misunderstood your idea then... I thought the "stripper" willingly offer his clothed pictures on their site and then people pay to see if they

can get the person to take off their clothes. { Your idea seems to be different - The "customer" place a clothed photo on the sites and then dare

the person in that picture to strip for donations? } Do I get it now?

Underage photos should not even reach the point you are saying. { being "published" on your site } .... You should screen these pictures, before

they are "published" on the site and only then post them online. The ToS should state that no underage photos would be allowed and that proof

of age will be requested, if those photos failed the screening process. 

once the nude photos are sent, why another person should pay to see that again?  once a person gets it he may publish it for free right?  secondly is it that easy to get women onboard to upload nude pics?

[Sex Video Chat VKcams.com]

how much she could accept to give us their nude photos

Hi, the usual price is about from 1 to 15 euro for any picture.
There are many who will accept such requests.

[nakedbitcoins]

.....and yeah titsforbits.com or nakedbitcoins.com domains are awesome  

Thanks! I agree

[pooya87]

you know there is this site that nobody knows about and it is totally not number 7 on alexa rank. it is called reddit.com!
there totally isn't a sub called /r/gonewild and there is nothing called gonewildrequests and no sub called /r/gonewildvideos and also there is no sticky on the sidebar of /r/bitcoin called /r/girlsgonebitcoin

[HostFat]

@pooya87
My idea works differently, likely the opposite.

On gonewild the girl come first with their offer, and then waiting for the demand.

On my idea anonymous users come first with the demand, and then they wait for the offer from the girl to cover the demand.

[Sex Video Chat VKcams.com]

for the offer from the girl to cover the demand.

A stalking accuse risk.

[HostFat]

Maybe, but if the photos used for the request are public, it shouldn't be a problem

[lockept93]

In an other forum (not bitcoin) there was a thread about funding an own porn. They raise money to rent a acter and a (the guy obv) free candidate.
But i think it never comes to finish.

This would be an idea for bitcoin.

[Sex Video Chat VKcams.com]

In an other forum (not bitcoin) there was a thread about funding an own porn. They raise money to rent a acter and a (the guy obv) free candidate.
But i think it never comes to finish.

This would be an idea for bitcoin.

Someone from webcam chat will be ready to acting online.

[Kprawn]

@pooya87
My idea works differently, likely the opposite.

On gonewild the girl come first with their offer, and then waiting for the demand.

On my idea anonymous users come first with the demand, and then they wait for the offer from the girl to cover the demand.

How will the girl know that her picture {clothed} was posted on the site? Will this be with or without her consent? I think it might still be illegal

for someone to post photos of someone {even if he or she is clothed} on a porn site? I think this must be done with the persons consent. The

person post a clothed picture and then configure a bounty price where he or she will strip. You could dare someone to do this and go head-to-head

with the other person to see who will first reach the bounty price to strip. This way "full consent" is given and nobody gets exploited by this.  

You can have different settings : 1st level - Topless / 2cnd level - Underwear / 3rd level - Full nudity ... for those people who do not want to go all

the way.  

[veleten]

imagine if the database of the site goes public 
the main problem will be security+finding the "models",think you overestimate the number
of women willing to undress for money online,think there will be same videochat cam models over and over

[lockept93]

In an other forum (not bitcoin) there was a thread about funding an own porn. They raise money to rent a acter and a (the guy obv) free candidate.
But i think it never comes to finish.

This would be an idea for bitcoin.

Someone from webcam chat will be ready to acting online.

There was mean a well produced real porn scene. This is what the funding was about.

[Sex Video Chat VKcams.com]

There was mean a well produced real porn scene. This is what the funding was about.

This is why some part of online performers need not more investors and producers.

[HostFat]

How will the girl know that her picture {clothed} was posted on the site?

If the website will be appreciated by the market, maybe one of her friends, or all the women will go every morning to see if someone has put them on the website

Will this be with or without her consent? I think it might still be illegal

The anonymous proposer should use public available photos of the woman. (or man) So, available on google search or public facebook photos.
It will be without her consent, but if they are public photos, it shouldn't be a problem.

for someone to post photos of someone {even if he or she is clothed} on a porn site? I think this must be done with the persons consent.

It will not working on this way, it will be without their consent.
Maybe the website should be open in some places where this isn't a problem, maybe some russian hosting.

You can have different settings : 1st level - Topless / 2cnd level - Underwear / 3rd level - Full nudity ... for those people who do not want to go all

Yes, this is already covered in the original idea

It can even be possible to donate for more specific things, like breasts, ass, video, ...

[nakedbitcoins]

HostFat time to get building buddy! 
Let me know how I can help.

[HostFat]

The problem is that I can't open this website, I've some responsibilities and this website can create many problems with italian laws.
So, I think that I will not be able to build this directly, but I can also give help, being an advisor

[Kprawn]

The problem is that I can't open this website, I've some responsibilities and this website can create many problems with italian laws.
So, I think that I will not be able to build this directly, but I can also give help, being an advisor

What part is illegal in regards to the Italian laws? You can always host this in a country with more open-minded laws on pornography or would you

still get into trouble if it is connected to you? Just CloudFlare it and stay anonymous.  ....Strictly speaking you are hosting a service with Adult

nudity and not pornography. 

[HostFat]

Maybe instead of naked women or men, you should try concentrating on the underwear side of the business, very popular in Japan I am told.
Buying worn panties, you get a picture of the face maybe, or the ass? who knows, my wife thinks you are all perverts lol

Well, yes, it's a good idea
I mean, adding even this possibility.

So the investors should be able to choose on which kind of photos putting their money.

[Sex Video Chat VKcams.com]

...
It will be without her consent, but if they are public photos, it shouldn't be a problem.
...
It will not working on this way, it will be without their consent
....

There are "public persons", but "public photos" exist not.

" use an image of a recognizable person for advertising or promotional purposes ever, even if it was taken in a public setting, is available under a Creative Commons license, or is in the public domain, unless you have written permission. Using anyone’s image for commercial purposes violates that person’s right to publicity"

Any picture need be conform to this: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2257

[Uptrenda]

I think if this service existed it would get extremely bad PR. I don't really understand how you envision this would work in a social context? The service would allow you to tag random people and put bounties on seeing them nude which they can either accept or not? I think a lot of people would see that as sexual harassment. Although its an extremely interesting idea from a psychology persecutive -- how much would it cost -- will people even have a price? I'd be curious to see if anyone accepted this.

Crowd sourcing porn stars with Bitcoin is definitely out there as far as ideas go. If you do pursue this idea then you'll need some solid way to manage the security of funds. Maybe make a contract that lets everyone submit money to an address that is refunded with the approval of the majority or some expiry. To move money out of the contract have it so that something like majority approval is required.

... Although voting to move money is also difficult because if the girl actually delivers people could vote to get a refund or something. Maybe you could have community representatives responsible for the money. But then there is also the issue of fake photographs which are completely possible with photoshop... I dunno, I don't see an outcome that doesn't require some level of trust. Just something to consider from a hypothetical persecutive


Edit: FYI, I wrote about a very similar idea to this called "naked loans." In China students are taking out loans by using naked photographs of themselves as collateral. Which from a trust persecutive is actually ingenious because the students don't have any reputation, assets, or people who can vouch for them, so instead what they are doing is using their social credit as a form of collateral. I think in the future there's going to be a lot of bizarre financial innovations like the OPs that can't have been done with regular money but I can't help but see the darker side to all of this.

[HostFat]

@Uptrenda
There can be problem for fake photos, but the woman/man need to release a video where they confirm their identity with an ID in their hand and also the local news paper.

Maybe, if there is a high risk of fake photo, then only videos will be accepted.

If you do pursue this idea then you'll need some solid way to manage the security of funds. Maybe make a contract that lets everyone submit money to an address that is refunded with the approval of the majority or some expiry. To move money out of the contract have it so that something like majority approval is required.

Maybe it can just start by centralising the trust only on the service.
But anyway, if someone can do something better with multisig, good for him
Currently I don't think that it is possible/easy with Bitcoin.

I think a lot of people would see that as sexual harassment.

Maybe, but I know that this idea is controversial, but I don't care

Although its an extremely interesting idea from a psychology persecutive -- how much would it cost -- will people even have a price? I'd be curious to see if anyone accepted this.

Yep, see what will change on the world after this kind of service, it is really interesting, and this was my main incentive on creating this idea

[Ucy]

Titforbit, nakebitcoin are all down. I wonder why. Was it abused or something.?  Stuff like this should be documented for future reference

[Kakmakr]

Titforbit, nakebitcoin are all down. I wonder why. Was it abused or something.?  Stuff like this should be documented for future reference

Sites like these needs a lot of marketing to survive and it is targeted to a specific group, so this makes it even more difficult.  Titforbit Domain registration Expired on: 29-Sep-13, if we talking about the same site. You have to hope that there are enough people currently in Bitcoin, interested in this type of thing and if this is good enough that it might go viral and attract more non-bitcoiners.

You can add other payment options, but that will add a whole new complexity to this. ^hmmmmm^

[FLUX-project]

Well, seems to be interesting. Are you sure it is legal? Anyway, some of the content will not be appropriate in current regulation system

[Ukuhudu]

Great Idea b but the issue is when she give the nudes to donors and then the donors published it.

[Ukuhudu]

Better make it a dating platform with voice , pics and video call and a payments options for the lady in your particular currency.

[fathur.aza]

Maybe many are joining this because the idea is nice and cool, despite its badness.

[PremiumCodeX]

Titforbit, nakebitcoin are all down. I wonder why. Was it abused or something.?  Stuff like this should be documented for future reference

The rule that girls have to provide their free will in this is welcome.

But there is nothing new under the Sun. Even when BTC was young, I remember, some DW sites too that provided nudes for crypto. They were full of sneakily taken -R.A.T.-ed, SEd, betrayed (by ex-boyfriend...etc.)- pictures.

And do you remember Armin Meiwes's case with that certain "agreement"? His deed still was considered a crime even though his "victim" proved his free will in it.


However, as @Ukuhudu suggested, it could be casted into a +18 dating platform with the mentioned "special" features. It would help in getting it accepted by the community as well.