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April 26, 2013, 09:29:58 AM
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Hello everyone!

My name is Samuel. I am currently working on my thesis proposal for my master's degree in order to prepare myself for my transitory year for the PhD. I am studying political philosophy and normative economics as part of my subject of interests in academia. Although I have been a lurker for a short time and been mining for a while with my shitty graphic card, I have lost bitcoins in the past for idiotic reasons. Nonetheless, Bitcoins interest me greatly for more than financial reasons. They interest me for philosophical reasons.

As such, I proposed a thesis to my supervisor that would be on Bitcoins. More precisely, about the effect of a cryptocurrency -more precisely bitcoins- in elaborating political philosophies. Although I want to focus on libertarian and/or anarcho-capitalists theory for now (Nozick, Hayek, Mises, Rothbard etc.), I would like to work on other theories as well, ranging from anarchism to marxism as I believe those theories would be deeply affected by the change in "online" currencies; notably with currencies such as Bitcoins.

There is little information on the subject; it has been discussed very little out of economics' departments (and even there...) and I believe that something original that needs to be worked on fits well the definition of Bitcoins.

Hence, would there be anyone or someone particularly good at explaining bitcoins? I have read the wiki of course but I am looking more at someone who knows the Bitcoin system on the tip of its fingers, able to answer my questions to the extent of explain why some choices have been made in the elaboration of bitcoins over other potential choices. A lot of people would be able to explain me how things work but I need to also know why and why not. Ideally that person would have a fair understanding of the Central Banking System as well. I am looking for that person, so is there any one who could help? Some forums discuss such matters but in this case, I would like someone in particular (or a few people - either way) that could be answering narrow questions if necessary. If you know or think you could be that person, I would greatly appreciate the help. It is difficult to find original thesis topics nowadays and the whole project is something to be carried on further in academia by eventually being published in peer-reviewed journals. I know the Bitcoin community strongly believes in the Bitcoin project and I believe making it a subject of scrutiny in academia would be something moving it forward.

Also, I am trying to obtain grants for my project but unfortunately, my supervisor as well as the few grant committees I have presented my project to believe that Bitcoin is bound to fail and/or doomed from its beginning and as such; my project is not worth spending the time on. As I hit a wall with the older generation in academia, I am having a hard time funding the subject and if I am unable to garner support, I would have to change topic and miss an opportunity of being part of the Bitcoin discussion within academic circles. As such, I also welcome any donations, if one wishes to do so, toward funding my thesis. When one writes a thesis, it is either interests groups or the government that funds it. Government has rejected my grant applications and various interest groups as well... As such, I am turning myself toward Bitcoin's interest groups: its users.

I would appreciate any donation to the wallet below but of course, it is simply a form of help since what I need the most if I want to keep trying to find grant money as well as write the thesis is a knowledgeable individual to elaborate my project in more details. I am already elaborating the literature I will need as well as my detailed proposal so the help I am requesting is in order to complete the part I am not as knowledgeable about.

Donation toward a grant to work on Bitcoins: 1PG3nBfxeFr4u723qC9WuHkwPvVFj1jdrb

I thank anyone who brings any kind of help! Be it in knowledge, contacts, donations or suggestions!

Samuel
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April 26, 2013, 04:20:47 PM
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Depending on just how focused your questions are, you are likely to find that either no single person can answer every question with the detail you desire, or that there is know way of knowing the "why" with any certainty, and that any answer you receive is speculation and opinion to a certain extent.  As such, it might be better to simply post your questions to this Forum as they come up.  This will allow you to get answers from whoever happens to be an expert in the particular topic you are questioning, and will allow you to have a selection of opinions/speculation on answers that have no certainty.
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April 29, 2013, 07:11:42 AM
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Hello,

Thanks for the answer!

I was hoping to maybe come across someone particularly specialised but I understand the reasoning behind.

I would like to know a few things first, then:

-Why was 21 000 000 choosen as a "maximum" for the number of bitcoins?
-Why the rate of Gold? In other words, were people behind Bitcoins interested in bringing back the Gold Standard?
-Despite optimism saying that the government cannot do much for Bitcoins...In reality, what can it possibly do?
-Could a government actually control prices by buying and selling bitcoins? In theory, yes but doesnt that show that bitcoins could possibly be a threat to itself since the government could easily manipulate the currency to make it more unstable?

Just a few pointers at first, and from there, I will add more questions! I know some of those questions have partial answers on wikipedia but I would appreciate more details and it will be  way for me to direct questions in a direction that will help me!

Thanks!

Samuel
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April 29, 2013, 03:03:36 PM
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I don't think I'd consider myself an "expert" on these topics, but I'll offer what I can until someone with more knowledge joins the conversation:

-Why was 21 000 000 choosen as a "maximum" for the number of bitcoins?

The first ting to realize is that the actual number as far as the programming is concerned is 2 099 999 997 690 000.
I think that number is just a byproduct of the inflation schedule chosen.  The decision to start with issuing 50 BTC (5 000 000 000 as represented in the programming) per block was likely an arbitrary choice for a reasonable number that people would be likely to accept.  This decision was made entirely by the person or group known as Satoshi Nakamoto, and I'm not sure if he/they ever gave any specific reason why that number was chosen.  Next a decision was made to reduce the amount issued per block approximately every 4 years.  Again, this was an arbitrary choice made entirely by Satoshi Nakamoto.  I've seen some indication that 4 years was chosen as an amount of time for the markets and users to adjust before reducing again, but I don't believe there was ever any specifics given as to any calculations to justify the decision.  Finally a decision was made to reduce the amount issued by cutting it in half and truncating any decimal (as opposed to any other formula that might be chosen).  I strongly suspect that this decision was based largely on the ease of such a calculation in the programming.  The reduction can be simply accomplished by performing a "right-shift" operation on the binary representation of the amount issued.  When you work out the total after following that inflation schedule, you end up with 20 999 999.9769 BTC ( 2 099 999 997 690 000 as represented in the programming).

Note that the actual final amount isn't really important as long as it is adequately divisible.  Less units issued would result in higher value per unit, which would simply be divided into smaller pieces to represent smaller values.  More units issued would result in lower value per unit, which would be divided into less pieces to represent the same smaller values.

-Why the rate of Gold? In other words, were people behind Bitcoins interested in bringing back the Gold Standard?

I'm not sure what you mean here.  Bitcoin is not tied to the exchange rate of gold at all.  Clearly, the person or people behind the creation of bitcoin were interested in a currency that could not have it's inflation schedule arbitrarily changed to suit the whims of whatever government happens to be in power at the time. It shares this attribute of limited supply with gold.
 
-Despite optimism saying that the government cannot do much for Bitcoins...In reality, what can it possibly do?

The government? Which one?

I'm sure there are many things a government could try to do if they wanted, but it is difficult to predict how successful any such efforts might be, and whether or not the effort would be worth the associated costs.

A government could attempt to affect bitcoin miners by either overwhelming the system with their own government financed mining operation. It would be quite expensive to acquire enough hashing power to truly overwhelm the system.

A government could attempt to affect bitcoin miners by creating and enforcing laws that affect the mining process. This might drive mining out of the country, but miners would continue to operate in other jurisdictions where laws affecting the process either haven't been created or aren't enforced.  A large government such as the U.S. could attempt to leverage their relationship with other governments to get those other governments to enact and enforce similar laws, but it isn't clear if they could acquire enough compliance to significantly affect mining in the long term.

A government could attempt to affect price stability buy randomly purchasing or selling large quantities of bitcoin at the most popular bitcoin currency exchanges.  Each such cycle might reduce the population's faith in the ability to reliably use bitcoin as a unit of account.  However, those speculators who took advantage of the large swings in price would make a large profit at the expense of the government.  The government might delay the adoption of bitcoin as a currency, but would significanly increase interest in bitcoin as a speculation and short term investment vehicle.

A government could attempt to stop the use of bitcoin within their own borders by creating and enforcing laws that make it illegal to use or accept bitcoin as payment.  Meanwhile the use of bitcoin would continue outside that government's borders and a "black market" would likely form within the borders for those who are willing to risk prosecution.

Those are some of the most commonly stated potential government attacks.  There may be others that I haven't seen or have forgotten.

-Could a government actually control prices by buying and selling bitcoins? In theory, yes but doesnt that show that bitcoins could possibly be a threat to itself since the government could easily manipulate the currency to make it more unstable?

At the moment the total valuation and market liquidity is such that a large enough government that is willing to spend enough could potentially control the exchange rate.  As bitcoin gains popularity and usage, the liquidity in the currency exchanges and the total valuation will increase.  It is likely that it will eventually become extremely expensive for a government to try to maintain such controls.  To do so might require such a large portion of the government's resources, that they'd destroy their own currency through hyper-inflation in the attempt to create enough of their currency to influence the bitcoin market directly.


While we wait for additional responses from other "experts", let me know if anything I've said is unclear, mistaken, or needs additional discussion.
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May 01, 2013, 04:45:24 PM
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Thanks a lot! I appreciate the answers.

The question regarding "Gold" was a bit unclear. Probably because I wrote it so late at night. Let me rephrase it to express what I mean:

I have read that Bitcoins are supposed to be programmed to have a similar pattern as gold in a system using the gold standard. Difficulty per example represents the fact that in real life, gold was getting harder to mine and as such, affected gold mining, its price etc. It says so on the bitwiki page about well, bitcoins, too. I wondered if there was a particular reason for that. Is it simply a reference to gold to explain the idea or it was deliberate? etc.

Moreover, would fractional reserve banking be possible in a bitcoin system? What form would it take? Without a central bank or the possibility to emit IOUs per example, it does not seem possible. Would it mean that we could move away from a keynesian economic system in which institutionalised debt is central to the economy?

In case of economic crisis, is there any tools to be used? I would presume not; as such, what would the business cycle look like? Do we just "wait it through"?

Could a widespread use of Bitcoins mean the end of the Welfare State because it would be hard/logistically impossible to tax efficiently?
Would Bitcoins be a tool of the Bourgeoisie or potentially of the emancipation of the Proletariat? Although I am not a Marxist, what place does Bitcoin have? Is it something that is intrinsical to capitalism or not?

Thanks for any additional answers!

Samuel

I invite anyone to visit my indiegogo page as well!
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/philosophy-and-bitcoins/x/3001147
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May 01, 2013, 05:58:03 PM
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I'll be back to comment on this when I've got more time to write up a response.  I'm a bit busy today.
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May 01, 2013, 06:17:03 PM
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No problem! No one else seems interested so I greatly appreciate the time you take!
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