Namecoin: DNS and ICANN solution

[Alexoz]

Let's build something from here. Namecoin is the first fork of Bitcoin, and has been under development since 6 years now.

Looking forward to see a Slack and talking to all of you guys!

[Yakelo]

There is a telegram group: NameCoin. Not sure how official it is though

[Alexoz]

Nice!

Original Thread by the Creator of Namecoin - Vinced:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6017.0

Info about Namecoin:http://dns.dot-bit.org/#what, http://namecoin.info/
Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/namecoin.bit
Forum: https://www.namecoin.org
Bct:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=236375.360
Reddit:https://www.reddit.com/r/Namecoin/new/
Last meeting in Copenhagen: https://schedule.icann.org/event/9nqD/emerging-identifiers-technology
News:https://www.namecoin.org/2017/04/17/icann-58-summary.html
Happy .bit and name Registering (squatting) - currently low price Smiley easy way to view .bit https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=205026
Latest Namecoin News will go here:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=236340.0, or http://dot-bit.org/forum/index.php
Telegram:https://telegram.me/namecoin
Twitter:https://twitter.com/Namecoin

More infos:
-https://dotbit.me
-http://dns.dot-bit.org
-https://bit.namecoin.org

"Avoiding CPU power fragmentation is no longer a reason. Independent networks/chains can share CPU power without sharing much else. See: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1790.msg28696#msg28696 and https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1790.msg28715#msg28715"

Wiki:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.bit

More discourse about ICANN here: https://github.com/namecoin/namecoin.org/commit/00a1e211e647d482fb31aecfd15f6740734ee15d

[koorioucitie]

... http://dot-bit.org/FAQ ...

That page has a 404 error, but the same site does have http://dns.dot-bit.org/#what

It looks like that person tried to facilitate the coin but moved on a few years ago http://register.dot-bit.org/

There is good info at the site though

It allows you to :
* register domains (.bit currently)
* be the only person to be able to modify it (no possible external control)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz

http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/squarezooko

Just found this piece from Aaron Swartz, Jan 2011.

Sounds like he is describing namecoin ... I wonder, could he have?

Also read his comments in the FAQ .... https://squaretriangle.jottit.com/faq

 

[alani123]

Namecoin is one of the forgotten technologies that failed to latch onto bitcoin's success. A revival would need to be something really innovative but likely wouldn't come from ICANN. They might have hinted that they wouldn't interfere but such an org couldn't get involved with the promotion of a single crypto.

[koorioucitie]

Namecoin is one of the forgotten technologies that failed to latch onto bitcoin's success. A revival would need to be something really innovative but likely wouldn't come from ICANN. They might have hinted that they wouldn't interfere but such an org couldn't get involved with the promotion of a single crypto.

ICANN  is an organization that decides whether you can use a particular domain, and of course they are ultimately forced to cede to the wishes of more powerful organizations, like governments, in various matters.

Namecoin is a process that allows any individual to use any available domain within its realm, without asking permission and without worrying about whether a government will seize their domain if they speak offensively regarding the interests of people who profit from a specific government.

'Reviving' seems like it should only need making .bit domains completely useable as .com .net .org etc. When I type a .bit address into my browser nothing happens. It appends 'www' automatically then says 'server not found'. It would be necessary to visit icann with a suitcase full of cash and some lawyers, and convince them to 'normalize' the .bit extension I guess. If it ever happens that .bit registered through Namecoin is accessible to everybody without having to load a blockchain or even know what Namecoin is, the way you can use a .org without knowing what icann is, Namecoin will be significant. It will change politics in many countries and more. 

[alani123]

Namecoin is one of the forgotten technologies that failed to latch onto bitcoin's success. A revival would need to be something really innovative but likely wouldn't come from ICANN. They might have hinted that they wouldn't interfere but such an org couldn't get involved with the promotion of a single crypto.

ICANN  is an organization that decides whether you can use a particular domain, and of course they are ultimately forced to cede to the wishes of more powerful organizations, like governments, in various matters.

Namecoin is a process that allows any individual to use any available domain within its realm, without asking permission and without worrying about whether a government will seize their domain if they speak offensively regarding the interests of people who profit from a specific government.

'Reviving' seems like it should only need making .bit domains completely useable as .com .net .org etc. When I type a .bit address into my browser nothing happens. It appends 'www' automatically then says 'server not found'. It would be necessary to visit icann with a suitcase full of cash and some lawyers, and convince them to 'normalize' the .bit extension I guess. If it ever happens that .bit registered through Namecoin is accessible to everybody without having to load a blockchain or even know what Namecoin is, the way you can use a .org without knowing what icann is, Namecoin will be significant. It will change politics in many countries and more. 

I'm not sure is cooperating with ICANN would be that compatible with cryptocurrenty ethics. The fact that namecoin is a peer to peer currency promotes decentralization while ICANN is an organization that centrally manages procedures behind domain approvals. I don't know how namecoin would benefit from making .bit a tld.

[Alexoz]

We have to adapt, even tho we are anarchist. Take them gently, then take over them!

[koorioucitie]

Namecoin is one of the forgotten technologies that failed to latch onto bitcoin's success. A revival would need to be something really innovative but likely wouldn't come from ICANN. They might have hinted that they wouldn't interfere but such an org couldn't get involved with the promotion of a single crypto.

... When I type a .bit address into my browser nothing happens. It appends 'www' automatically then says 'server not found'. ...

I'm not sure is cooperating with ICANN would be that compatible with cryptocurrenty ethics. The fact that namecoin is a peer to peer currency promotes decentralization while ICANN is an organization that centrally manages procedures behind domain approvals. I don't know how namecoin would benefit from making .bit a tld.

I agree. But if a person goes to a computer and types in a .bit address and nothing happens... ?

Most people are not interested in browser extensions or downloading blockchains etc.

There has to be a portal that seamlessly interconnects .bit with icann and other government controlled webs like tor.

[koorioucitie]

We have to adapt, even tho we are anarchist. Take them gently, then take over them!

Having good values, being a civilized person, is not the same as being of a particular political flavor like anarchist.

It is not "anti government" to simply not want the government and other organizations to control speech.

You want to promote Namecoin, and you are welcome to, but how many people or whatever do you need? What is it that you cannot do on your own? If you explain that then it will be easier.

[Alexoz]

Will be nice to have a place where we can get along with the dev. Something better than IRC... "Slack"!

[omarabid]

Namecoin is one of the forgotten technologies that failed to latch onto bitcoin's success. A revival would need to be something really innovative but likely wouldn't come from ICANN. They might have hinted that they wouldn't interfere but such an org couldn't get involved with the promotion of a single crypto.

ICANN  is an organization that decides whether you can use a particular domain, and of course they are ultimately forced to cede to the wishes of more powerful organizations, like governments, in various matters.

Namecoin is a process that allows any individual to use any available domain within its realm, without asking permission and without worrying about whether a government will seize their domain if they speak offensively regarding the interests of people who profit from a specific government.

'Reviving' seems like it should only need making .bit domains completely useable as .com .net .org etc. When I type a .bit address into my browser nothing happens. It appends 'www' automatically then says 'server not found'. It would be necessary to visit icann with a suitcase full of cash and some lawyers, and convince them to 'normalize' the .bit extension I guess. If it ever happens that .bit registered through Namecoin is accessible to everybody without having to load a blockchain or even know what Namecoin is, the way you can use a .org without knowing what icann is, Namecoin will be significant. It will change politics in many countries and more. 

I'm not sure is cooperating with ICANN would be that compatible with cryptocurrenty ethics. The fact that namecoin is a peer to peer currency promotes decentralization while ICANN is an organization that centrally manages procedures behind domain approvals. I don't know how namecoin would benefit from making .bit a tld.

It'd benefit "bigly" and I mean it: A really major change. First, most users are not going to install an extension to be able to access .bit domains. It means, for now, people are not going to use .bit domains. Remember that domains are not "free" and namecoin domains are the closest to free as possible. So if browsers could access .bit domains, I'm pretty sure thousands or maybe hundreds of thousands of people will start using them.

[alani123]

Namecoin is one of the forgotten technologies that failed to latch onto bitcoin's success. A revival would need to be something really innovative but likely wouldn't come from ICANN. They might have hinted that they wouldn't interfere but such an org couldn't get involved with the promotion of a single crypto.

ICANN  is an organization that decides whether you can use a particular domain, and of course they are ultimately forced to cede to the wishes of more powerful organizations, like governments, in various matters.

Namecoin is a process that allows any individual to use any available domain within its realm, without asking permission and without worrying about whether a government will seize their domain if they speak offensively regarding the interests of people who profit from a specific government.

'Reviving' seems like it should only need making .bit domains completely useable as .com .net .org etc. When I type a .bit address into my browser nothing happens. It appends 'www' automatically then says 'server not found'. It would be necessary to visit icann with a suitcase full of cash and some lawyers, and convince them to 'normalize' the .bit extension I guess. If it ever happens that .bit registered through Namecoin is accessible to everybody without having to load a blockchain or even know what Namecoin is, the way you can use a .org without knowing what icann is, Namecoin will be significant. It will change politics in many countries and more. 

I'm not sure is cooperating with ICANN would be that compatible with cryptocurrenty ethics. The fact that namecoin is a peer to peer currency promotes decentralization while ICANN is an organization that centrally manages procedures behind domain approvals. I don't know how namecoin would benefit from making .bit a tld.

It'd benefit "bigly" and I mean it: A really major change. First, most users are not going to install an extension to be able to access .bit domains. It means, for now, people are not going to use .bit domains. Remember that domains are not "free" and namecoin domains are the closest to free as possible. So if browsers could access .bit domains, I'm pretty sure thousands or maybe hundreds of thousands of people will start using them.

People would start using the TLD, not necessarily Namecoin though. I don't see the necessity for a p2p currency involved if .bit became a regular TLD. Best hope for a decentralized system would be for that to actually NOT happen.

[koorioucitie]

Namecoin is one of the forgotten technologies that failed to latch onto bitcoin's success. A revival would need to be something really innovative but likely wouldn't come from ICANN. They might have hinted that they wouldn't interfere but such an org couldn't get involved with the promotion of a single crypto.

ICANN  is an organization that decides whether you can use a particular domain, and of course they are ultimately forced to cede to the wishes of more powerful organizations, like governments, in various matters.

Namecoin is a process that allows any individual to use any available domain within its realm, without asking permission and without worrying about whether a government will seize their domain if they speak offensively regarding the interests of people who profit from a specific government.

'Reviving' seems like it should only need making .bit domains completely useable as .com .net .org etc. When I type a .bit address into my browser nothing happens. It appends 'www' automatically then says 'server not found'. It would be necessary to visit icann with a suitcase full of cash and some lawyers, and convince them to 'normalize' the .bit extension I guess. If it ever happens that .bit registered through Namecoin is accessible to everybody without having to load a blockchain or even know what Namecoin is, the way you can use a .org without knowing what icann is, Namecoin will be significant. It will change politics in many countries and more. 

I'm not sure is cooperating with ICANN would be that compatible with cryptocurrenty ethics. The fact that namecoin is a peer to peer currency promotes decentralization while ICANN is an organization that centrally manages procedures behind domain approvals. I don't know how namecoin would benefit from making .bit a tld.

It'd benefit "bigly" and I mean it: A really major change. First, most users are not going to install an extension to be able to access .bit domains. It means, for now, people are not going to use .bit domains. Remember that domains are not "free" and namecoin domains are the closest to free as possible. So if browsers could access .bit domains, I'm pretty sure thousands or maybe hundreds of thousands of people will start using them.

People would start using the TLD, not necessarily Namecoin though. I don't see the necessity for a p2p currency involved if .bit became a regular TLD. Best hope for a decentralized system would be for that to actually NOT happen.

The 'currency' is not the issue.

Many people are not aware of current restrictions on the internet, some people are aware.

If you register a domain you keep that domain only at the pleasure of your government, and sometimes even foreign governments.

There have been lots of examples, very few have gotten publicity. A few years ago the U.S. government shut down some European tourist companies for competitive reasons by revoking their websites through icann, as I recall. At the time a lot of people were shocked. Today not, because you probably will not be able to find any mention of that incident online without searching a long time.

Tor is often considered a 'free speech' internet where you cannot be censored. But the truth is that there has been a lot of evidence that tor is one big censorship honeypot, in fact fully cracked from the start.

Very few people support using websites to sell drugs, hire hitmen, promote child pornography, etc. But a lot of people, generally people of little political power, support using websites to protest at a safe distance from dangerous entities. However those dangerous entities will use 'drugs, violence, predation' websites as an excuse to limit politically threatening websites.

What icann might be able to do, is provide the infrastructure to connect .bit with their internet.

You can use tor onions and imagine that "smart people are protecting your anonymity", or you can use a .bit like product and protect it yourself.

Young people should be smart and learn from history.

[alani123]

Ok, TLDs might not be truly free (as in freedom), but where does namecoin fit into the picture? Is there any correlation to be made between what you're asserting and OP's post?

[Alexoz]

We will start some PR and we will bring the attention on Slack soon!

[koorioucitie]

Ok, TLDs might not be truly free (as in freedom), but where does namecoin fit into the picture? Is there any correlation to be made between what you're asserting and OP's post?

If you mean when Alex said "Namecoin is the first fork..." yes.

Bitcoin lets a person create a currency that anybody can adopt or ignore or anything else they want. So far the only option was to use highly liquid currencies that were created by governments. If you chose to not use the local currency you would be attacked by legal predators trying to enforce the use of 'their' money, i.e., the money of their 'employer'.

Likewise Namecoin. So far, to make a public page that is visible to millions of people, a website, you must act through an entity that is forced to follow the short term wishes of people with political interests, i.e., icann, or you can make a site through tor, which caters more to criminal activity and at any rate would not be safe for political sites, despite what people think. Namecoin lets you register a domain that is kept not at the pleasure of somebody with political motives, but by a consensus that involves users of the coin.

So with Namecoin, and any similar coin that might be created in the future, you can register a website that only you are responsible for and have power over. The next step, decentralized hosting, has a lot of people ready, once the domain issue is free. Small internets can be created in a way that is safe from interference, the question is how to link them, so anybody can easily go to any internet through any browser.

...

Right now there are a lot of latecomers to the crypto party who have new solutions, which almost always involve an ico, a premine, or some other bullshit. Those coins will not last. Namecoin will.

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I'd like to resubmit my request to request, specifically:

- Any guidelines or protocols for ICE agents about the procedures for seizing domains
- Any communications between ICE and other government agencies with regard to the seized domains
- Any communications between ICE and intellectual property owners requesting domains be seized or discussing seized domains
- Any court filings requesting authorization to seize domains
- Any internal emails mentioning the seized sites
- Any legal memos mentioning the seized sites

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/02/senator-us-domain-name-seizures-alarmingly-unprecedented/

https://torrentfreak.com/u-s-government-shuts-down-music-sharing-sites-141022/

https://torrentfreak.com/us-copyright-law-doesnt-apply-worldwidedvd-ripper-tells-court-140424/

https://torrentfreak.com/uk-seize-popular-music-blog-arrest-operators-and-threaten-readers-120214/

https://www.indolering.com/chilling-effects-domain-names

https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/guidance-domain-seizures-07mar12-en.pdf

edit to add
I don't use torrent sites, I don't buy drugs online or anywhere else, I don't support any crimes etc. The fact is though that if you have a lot of money you can tell law enforcement what to consider as a crime. The entertainment industry invested heavily in purchasing U.S. law enforcement, so they, the industry, now control that aspect of the internet. Tomorrow some billionaire with some other odd belief may be deciding what a crime is.

[SkrillexLegit]

Name coin dead coin it seems to me

[Alexoz]

Name coin dead coin it seems to me

Hey troll! How are you today?

[cryptogasm]

"Namecoin is the first fork" ?

 Yes.