Who wants these Bitcoin scaling wars to end?

[BitcoinerXX]

seems the best solution would be segwit followed by a guaranteed block size increase to 8mb, would that make most people happy?

[FiendCoin]

For months now, we have seen a verbal battle raging between Bitcoin Core and BU teams and supporters. We have seen personal attacks on people that were at one stage, crucial to the growth of Bitcoin. Some of these people made some big sacrifices to strengthen this experiment. < both in time & money >

~ How can we come together and find some common goal to resolve these issues?
~ Can we leave our personal vendettas behind and move forward?
~ Can we forget about greed and personal interest and put this experiment first again?
~ What would be the white flag moment for both parties to this fight?

Yes, Bitcoin was developed in such a way to make room for these kinds of battles, but things are getting out of hand and personal attacks are quite common these days. We are not civil anymore and most debates are getting very personal and heated.

A lot of power and money are at stake, but let's be civil about this and see if we can appreciate each others opinion without having to resort to "dirty" tactics to destroy the other person or team.

Be the first person to shake the other persons hand and you will see what will happen. ^smile^

Edit : Please DO NOT turn this into another scaling debate, but rather focus on ways to come together to solve these ugly battles.

Good post.  Some folks here already couldn't resist to try to debate in this thread.

And then you bring up the core devs to blame for stagnation, trying to bait someone to come on and say that its the miners not the devs that are blocking progress 

[jonald_fyookball]

I'm not arguing here for a specific solution.  just saying shouldn't we have some urgency like the op

[Amph]

you should tell all that to miners, they are the one refusing to scale correctly, and they are the most greedy here, they only care about profit, and i can understand this, because when i mine altcoin, i also only care about the revenue

but i would choose the optimal and fastest way to solve a problem, and since we have no other choice now, segwit is the way to go, many other altcoin have already activate it

i'm still open for new solution, what about that block extention possibility that was brought not long time ago? it's seems already forgotten

[jubalix]

The fall out from this scaling *war* is the accelerated ascendancy of the Alts. Eth particularly shows how strong dev can make up for a litany of sins including the DAO roll back . The promise going forward that there will be room for dev to progress appears to be a major factor of value in a blockchain.

BTC maybe an exemplar of how the first mover effect can be squandered.

Ultimately it may be a function of how mining has panned out in the division of power.

I *feel* that pos and pos like is a better solution to some extent with correctly incentivized nodes, (this can be quite a task to get right of course).

On this note has any pos chain ever been double spent, forked or attacked?

[LFC_Bitcoin]

I think we all want the scaling/block size debate/war to come to an end. It's frustrating & it's holding bitcoin back, stopping bitcoin from reaching its potential which in turn is costing all of us money.

[Wapinter]

~ How can we come together and find some common goal to resolve these issues?

The common goal is to scale.  Unfortunately, some people don't even recognise that the other side is scaling Bitcoin too, thinking that it's impractical/doesn't count as scaling.

Goal may be common but method to achieve is different and thats where all difference begins

~ Can we leave our personal vendettas behind and move forward?

Some of us can.  If anyone lets their guard down though, they feel attacked, and then they put it up again which is the main problem I'd say.

I think it is where moderation should come into play.Any stary from a healthy discussion should be dealt strongly

~ Can we forget about greed and personal interest and put this experiment first again?

Probably not.  Too much money involved.

Agreed.Not possible

[PremiumCodeX]

I want it to end, but I can understand why it goes on (personal interest). As it was pointed out, both sides idea is worth to consider, the goal is good too, but the implementation is important and too different. Now, there are good arguments on both sides.  There should be an independent moderator group and an "official" platform to put the arguments into use.

[Kprawn]

Wu needs to stop being malicious and accept segwit like he did with litecoin. Enable Segwit and make bitcoin great again.

Scariest thing about this whole situation.. One twat gets to decide the fate of Bitcoin !?.. That's not cool.

Concur.

Scariest thing for me is that there is so much hatred and ignorance about this whole situation. The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is

for good men to do nothing. OP, has not kept quite about the "evil" that infiltrated this community. People are turned against each other, where

before this.... there were one common goal ---> " Bitcoin to the moon "  .... What a sad part of history this is.  

The problem is everyone thinking that they're above the idea of respect.  No one could really respect Jihan Wu or Roger Ver, but soundbites on a thread about unification (this thread) are really pointless, and we've got at least two already.  Whenever someone decides to throw in the towel, the fighters just keep beating each other up.

Pointless? Why would it be pointless? Who will be the asshole or the bully in a scenario where someone give the opposition the white flag and

then gets beaten down for it? All of us will leave a legacy behind and you will be remembered for something you have done. People like Jihan Wu

and Roger Ver will be remembered for what? The good or the bad things they have done?

[victory1]

BTC Dominance drop to a new low of 61% today.

We need to end this scaling war with a sense of urgently please.

[jonald_fyookball]

BTC Dominance drop to a new low of 61% today.

We need to end this scaling war with a sense of urgently please.

if you support Core, please ask the core devs if they have urgency on this.

please

[chek2fire]

I dont want this "war" to end. Bitcoin works great as a digital gold and this difficulty to do changes means that is really decentralised and no one is in control.
In the other hand i like to troll guys like Ver or Jihan. This guys are a pure source of laughing  Especially with Ver i cant stop laugh with him. Every day and a new surprise from him

[jonald_fyookball]

I dont want this "war" to end. Bitcoin works great as a digital gold and this difficulty to do changes means that is really decentralised and no one is in control.
In the other hand i like to troll guys like Ver or Jihan. This guys are a pure source of laughing  Especially with Ver i cant stop laugh with him. Every day and a new surprise from him

if bitcoin dominance keeps decreasing, what do you think will eventually happen to the price? 

When price starts declining, what do you think will happen to the miner revenue?

What miner revenue declines, what do you think will happen to the network hashrate?

When network hashrate drops, I wonder if you will still think "Bitcoin works great as digital gold".

[chek2fire]

I dont want this "war" to end. Bitcoin works great as a digital gold and this difficulty to do changes means that is really decentralised and no one is in control.
In the other hand i like to troll guys like Ver or Jihan. This guys are a pure source of laughing  Especially with Ver i cant stop laugh with him. Every day and a new surprise from him

if bitcoin dominance keeps decreasing, what do you think will eventually happen to the price? 

When price starts declining, what do you think will happen to the miner revenue?

What miner revenue declines, what do you think will happen to the network hashrate?

When network hashrate drops, I wonder if you will still think "Bitcoin works great as digital gold".

miners act against their profits for months now. For the rest of us means cheap bitcoins and everyone want this.

[frodocooper]

miners act against their profits for months now. For the rest of us means cheap bitcoins and everyone want this.

$1,316.81 (at time of posting) doesn't seem cheap to me.

[jonald_fyookball]

I dont want this "war" to end. Bitcoin works great as a digital gold and this difficulty to do changes means that is really decentralised and no one is in control.
In the other hand i like to troll guys like Ver or Jihan. This guys are a pure source of laughing  Especially with Ver i cant stop laugh with him. Every day and a new surprise from him

if bitcoin dominance keeps decreasing, what do you think will eventually happen to the price? 

When price starts declining, what do you think will happen to the miner revenue?

What miner revenue declines, what do you think will happen to the network hashrate?

When network hashrate drops, I wonder if you will still think "Bitcoin works great as digital gold".

miners act against their profits for months now. For the rest of us means cheap bitcoins and everyone want this.

Regardless of whether you want small blocks or big blocks, declining bitcoin dominance isn't good.   The war isn't good.
You seem to be the only one in this thread that doesn't agree.

[Ayiranorea]

miners act against their profits for months now. For the rest of us means cheap bitcoins and everyone want this.

$1,316.81 (at time of posting) doesn't seem cheap to me.

Now the price is close to $1350. Soon this might even go higher and higher than the price expected. Miners are the one who concern much about the bitcoin scaling issues to get a conclusion. Because only based on that​ miners can make necessary changes with the investment plans.

[RoommateAgreement]

miners act against their profits for months now. For the rest of us means cheap bitcoins and everyone want this.

$1,316.81 (at time of posting) doesn't seem cheap to me.

if you only see in front you then yeah bitcoin is super expensive but the same answer i gave to you (and people saying bitcoin is not cheap) last year i will give you again: all these prices are super cheap when you compare it with a price in a couple of years.

you guys call bitcoin expensive when it is $200 then it goes to $600 then you still call it expensive then it passes $1000 then the same story.and you will continue saying the same thing in 6 months when price is $1800

[Harry Callahan]

you guys call bitcoin expensive when it is $200 then it goes to $600 then you still call it expensive then it passes $1000 then the same story.and you will continue saying the same thing in 6 months when price is $1800

For any newbie entering bitcoin the price will always be a problem if they are looking to earn through it as the risk factor while investing is really huge as you really do not know what the long term future of bitcoin or any alt coin will be and since the risk involved are higher people do hesitate to invest their bank roll and those who dare to invest are making a good profit.
@Kakmakr it is really difficult to get to a consensus simply because there are parties that invested millions and then there are purist who likes bitcoin for the simplicity and it is difficult to get a consensus between them.

[chek2fire]

fee are still cheap and will be still cheap if bitcoin price will double. This is a fact. And dont say anyone that 0.50$-2$ fee is a high price to transfer money around the world without the needing of the banking system and in many cases completely anonymous.
Is up to miners and to bitcoin ecosystem if they want to keep bitcoin as it is or if they want to do more innovation. And i dont think so that is a good strategy for miners to be against bitcoin developers and bitcoin community.