if 10,000 libertarians moved to Nauru, ron paul could be president

[Anon136]

Of nauru of course =P

But seriously if just 10,000 libertarians could afford to purchase citizenship there than we could take over the government (since it has a population of less than 10,000 we could outvote everyone). Peter schiff as secretary of the treasury. David friedman could sit on the supreme court. just imagine. What the heck are we waiting for. Everyone contact your favorite big name libertarian and pitch this idea. I couldn't just start a crowed funding project and get anyone to sign up, im a nobody, but if we could get doug casey behind it who knows how much we could raise with crowed funding + a big name.

Just think of it like the free state project except instead of taking over the city council we could take over a sovereign state.

of course the elite on nauru surely value their position and so would only allow us to take over their island if we payed more than a fair price for it. Really it would just be a little bit of a trick, they sell us citizenship and then we vote them out so really its just an underhanded way of getting them to sell the island. But we may be able to raise more money than you would at first expect for the aforementioned reasons so who knows, and your account would only get dinged if we raised enough to convince them to sell. And just look how much has been raised just to get krugman to debate murphy, imagine how much we could raise for the cause of buying our own totally legit sovereign nation. And if the crowed funding goal goes through you actually get something, you get citizenship to another country, even if we dont manage to take over the government that would have value in and of its self to most libertarians.

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[Anon136]

bump

cmon guys this is a great idea. Don't leave me hanging.

[liberty90]

Nauru doesn't' have open immigration policy.

Seasteading is more realistic.

[Anon136]

Nauru doesn't' have open immigration policy.

Seasteading is more realistic.

im suggesting that we crowed fund an initiative to buy citizenship in bulk.

[liberty90]

Unfortunately, there is something called "patriotism", you know. They will not sell.

[liberty90]

There are people who work full-time on this problem, for years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patri_Friedman

Such simple ideas as "buying citizenship" were analyzed by them thousand times. It's not feasible.

[manfred]

Unfortunately, there is something called "patriotism", you know. They will not sell

Oh yes they do sell. "Nauru had sold about a thousand for a reported $1500 each."
Interesting read about Nauru http://www.quadrant.org.au/magazine/issue/2013/1-2/the-naughty-nation-of-nauru

[zeroday]

Much easier will be using some SR stuff to build your own libertarian reality around you  

[Anon136]

Lets say we offered them 10,000 per person for 10,000 immigrants. That would be a single bulk payment of 100million dollars. They have a total gdp of 36 million. Holy crap yes they would accept that offer. And i would gladly pay 10000 if i knew for a fact that we would have a population of majority libertarians, and crowedfunding could ensure that we would only have to pay if all the funding was raised. It cant lose! (unless the us government nuked us but there are good reasons to expect they wouldnt)

[Anon136]

im suggesting that we crowed fund an initiative to buy citizenship in bulk.

It's a great idea - but anywhere except Nauru please!

I realise the desperation of the Nauru people might make them amenable, but it's a small, hot, dull, humid, desolate, mosquito-ridden island in the middle of nowhere.

sure it is now, but it wouldn't be dull for long if all of us moved there! Surely true freedom is worth more to you than the cost of a little sun burn.

[wachtwoord]

... it wouldn't be dull for long if all of us moved there!

What's your plan for finding 5000 females who would like to be free?

Money?

[liberty90]

... it wouldn't be dull for long if all of us moved there!

What's your plan for finding 5000 females who would like to be free?

Money?

For many people from South America or Africa, even food would be sufficient ; )
This is not a problem.


I still think, however, that seasteading is better: they have existing organization, legal research teams, ect. No seastead currently exist, but many people are already committed to this cause; so this is simpler than starting from scratch.

http://www.seasteading.org/

http://blueseed.co/

[Anon136]

... it wouldn't be dull for long if all of us moved there!

What's your plan for finding 5000 females who would like to be free?

bring your wives?

[Anon136]

... it wouldn't be dull for long if all of us moved there!

What's your plan for finding 5000 females who would like to be free?

Money?

For many people from South America or Africa, even food would be sufficient ; )
This is not a problem.


I still think, however, that seasteading is better: they have existing organization, legal research teams, ect. No seastead currently exist, but many people are already committed to this cause; so this is simpler than starting from scratch.

http://www.seasteading.org/

http://blueseed.co/

sea steading doesnt seem as simple as land steading to me.

[Mike Christ]

Huh.  Considering the world's about 70% water, seasteading seems like a neat idea.

What happens when your city springs a leak, tho?

[liberty90]

sea steading doesnt seem as simple as land steading to me.

Blueseed needs "only" 20 million $ (148 000 BTC) to start.
And they claim to have profitable business model.

[ElectricMucus]

I support the idea of libertarians moving somewhere remotely. Especially if it is so remote that I will never be there. 

[myrkul]

I support the idea of libertarians moving somewhere remotely. Especially if it is so remote that I will never be there. 

Oddly enough, I agree with you. In particular the part about you never being there.

[Anon136]

I support the idea of libertarians moving somewhere remotely. Especially if it is so remote that I will never be there. 

I very strongly respect your right to get to gather with other authoritarians to create your hierarchical authoritarian paradise. I'm very glad to hear that you extend a very similar respect to me! 

[Anon136]

sea steading doesnt seem as simple as land steading to me.

Blueseed needs "only" 20 million $ (148 000 BTC) to start.
And they claim to have profitable business model.

i live by the rule of doubling my expectations. if i calculate that i will need 20 minutes to get ready in the morning i wake up 40 minutes early =P cuz there is always something that you didnt think about. Still 40million doesnt sound that bad. Any how many people they expect the stead to be able to hold? or more specifically the expected price per capita?