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May 04, 2017, 12:21:26 PM
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While world attention is focused on the war in Syria is heating up the new/old point of confrontation between the US and Russia – Afghanistan. Moscow and Washington and then exchanged a barrage of serious accusations. The white house believes that Russia supports the Taliban, the Kremlin rebukes the administration of Donald trump's "inconsistent display of power, like the explosion of a heavy duty bomb." Against this background, the political and military situation in Afghanistan escalates, and the country plunged into chaos, partly comparable with the Syrian catastrophe.
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May 04, 2017, 12:40:48 PM
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While the rich and powerful are sitting at the table drinking coffee and sheltering, what the afghanistan people are doing








Religious fanatics are manipulated by the powerful and continue to destroy the country and take people's lives


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May 04, 2017, 04:06:32 PM
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If Washington's accusations are true then that would be funny considering it used to be America that trained and armed the Taliban. They did that to prevent Russia conquering the country but then when the invasion it ended completely fucking up the place since the Talibans are tablet-thumpers.

BUT then again, maybe things wouldn't have been better if Russia was just allowed to invade and annex Afghanistan. It could still be fucked up (though we know Russia would have likely not tolerated fundamentalists).

Sigh "the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must," still hold true. Afghanistan was just a board where powers played.

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May 04, 2017, 07:36:54 PM
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If Washington's accusations are true then that would be funny considering it used to be America that trained and armed the Taliban. They did that to prevent Russia conquering the country but then when the invasion it ended completely fucking up the place since the Talibans are tablet-thumpers.

BUT then again, maybe things wouldn't have been better if Russia was just allowed to invade and annex Afghanistan. It could still be fucked up (though we know Russia would have likely not tolerated fundamentalists).

Sigh "the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must," still hold true. Afghanistan was just a board where powers played.

Let me remind you that the Russians lost the war in Afghanistan. I think that Russians remember about it and will never agree to walk into Afghanistan. Besides, you are exaggerating the role and opportunities of Russia.
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May 05, 2017, 05:47:14 AM
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It is ridiculous to accuse Russia of supporting the Taliban. Russia was the main sponsor of the Northern Alliance, and they still maintains good relations with that group. On the other hand, Taliban was created by the CIA during the early 1980s to fight the Russians.

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May 05, 2017, 06:07:50 AM
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Ahahah! First remove the propaganda: this is afghanistan:



What you see is very high dry mountains with only rocks and dust (and snow in the off season) and fertile valleys below. Some people thaught they could steal the land to extract what ever there is while polluting and drying the little water and as such terminate any chance of survival for the locals.

As the same looters support the criminalization of a plants like this one



And as the final product of this plant is quite valueable. They were confronted by well financed and physically fit locals who don't want to lose it all to foreigners.

So are those armed men fighting the glabilsts? First the soviet (worldwide united workers) amd then the crony capitalists?

Americans or russians wills are irrelevant long term in this conflict... let's say that in the tao of the flower, the dragon will rest in their parfums produced by the watered soils bath in the heavens lights.

Over forgotten dry graves they bloom feeding of the dust of the once proud.


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May 05, 2017, 07:01:06 AM
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While the rich and powerful are sitting at the table drinking coffee and sheltering, what the afghanistan people are doing








Religious fanatics are manipulated by the powerful and continue to destroy the country and take people's lives


Slow death you are right, I don't know what is wrong with poor people from the third world countries. Poverty is steering them on the face and the world elites are sitting at the table drink coffee and eating salads and discussing on how to use politic and social media to brain washing them to create enemy between them, as a result they keep killing themselves.American and Russian should live Afghanistan and Syrian alone to decide they political future.


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May 05, 2017, 03:57:05 PM
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If Washington's accusations are true then that would be funny considering it used to be America that trained and armed the Taliban. They did that to prevent Russia conquering the country but then when the invasion it ended completely fucking up the place since the Talibans are tablet-thumpers.

BUT then again, maybe things wouldn't have been better if Russia was just allowed to invade and annex Afghanistan. It could still be fucked up (though we know Russia would have likely not tolerated fundamentalists).

Sigh "the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must," still hold true. Afghanistan was just a board where powers played.

Let me remind you that the Russians lost the war in Afghanistan. I think that Russians remember about it and will never agree to walk into Afghanistan. Besides, you are exaggerating the role and opportunities of Russia.

It was not called "graveyard of empires" for nothing. The terrain makes it hard to conquer and even harder to hold. Even NATO had a hard time putting it in order. Still the Russians dared enter it. I still think it was possible for the Russians to gain control of, at least the urban areas, had Americans not intervened.

The sad thing though was the group America supported to stave of the invasion were fundamentalists down to the marrow. We all saw what happened when the war ended and these people came to power. When I see old pictures from Afghanistan, I still find it hard to believe a country can be turned back into pre-industry so quickly.

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May 05, 2017, 04:35:35 PM
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It is ridiculous to accuse Russia of supporting the Taliban. Russia was the main sponsor of the Northern Alliance, and they still maintains good relations with that group. On the other hand, Taliban was created by the CIA during the early 1980s to fight the Russians.
I do think that the Mujahideen are all the same with whom to fight. This is a huge army of mercenaries who do not know and do not want to do but war. It seems to me that Russians will never enter more into Afghanistan. They still remember about the consequences of the war.
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May 05, 2017, 04:42:47 PM
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It is ridiculous to accuse Russia of supporting the Taliban. Russia was the main sponsor of the Northern Alliance, and they still maintains good relations with that group. On the other hand, Taliban was created by the CIA during the early 1980s to fight the Russians.

Yes, its just more posturing by both sides. Worthy of note is the fact, that Russia actually allows transfer of goods for US military in Afghanistan to fight Taliban there. Via its bases in central Asia.

Now, I dont think United States supports Taliban directly, not at all, however Pakistan close ally of both US and Saudi Arabia does. Given how Pakistan is important yet politically fragile country (just a week ago, student was stoned to death directly on university campus for "insulting" the prophet Mohammed), it is clear as day, that its problematic to deal with the main sponsor of Taliban.

So, in short no. There is no new front in Afganistan, as Russia sees it merely as part of its central asian buffer zone, while United States commited themselves to "democratize" country in which no democrats reside.

It is ridiculous to accuse Russia of supporting the Taliban. Russia was the main sponsor of the Northern Alliance, and they still maintains good relations with that group. On the other hand, Taliban was created by the CIA during the early 1980s to fight the Russians.
I do think that the Mujahideen are all the same with whom to fight. This is a huge army of mercenaries who do not know and do not want to do but war. It seems to me that Russians will never enter more into Afghanistan. They still remember about the consequences of the war.

Yes. Mentality of tribal aswell as quite religious warriors from Hindukush mountains is so alien to western eye, that its almost impossible to force order without anihilating the local population first. And what would either we or Afghans gain from such genocide? Even old Mongols had problems there.
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May 06, 2017, 04:33:16 AM
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It seems that the cold war begins between Russia and the United States of America, this can be used as a weapon. Surebet of the last century this conflict is more serious.
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May 06, 2017, 04:40:42 AM
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Chemicals in the plastic in that kid's water jug are poisoning him, ruining his life.


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Yes, its just more posturing by both sides. Worthy of note is the fact, that Russia actually allows transfer of goods for US military in Afghanistan to fight Taliban there. Via its bases in central Asia.

Now, I dont think United States supports Taliban directly, not at all, however Pakistan close ally of both US and Saudi Arabia does. Given how Pakistan is important yet politically fragile country (just a week ago, student was stoned to death directly on university campus for "insulting" the prophet Mohammed), it is clear as day, that its problematic to deal with the main sponsor of Taliban.

So, in short no. There is no new front in Afganistan, as Russia sees it merely as part of its central asian buffer zone, while United States commited themselves to "democratize" country in which no democrats reside.


This remind me of that time when the US broke into Bin Laden's house. It was in Pakistan, and quite near a Pakistani military base (Abottatbad if I remember correctly). I also remember Pakistani gov't protesting about the incursion but they shut up eventually. After all, how would they explain that the world's most wanted is just inside their border? And they've been given aid money to help fight these terrorists.

US need to come up with a new incentive system. Why exterminate the terrorists when you are being paid to keep them at bay? They're not stupid to kill the golden goose.

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May 06, 2017, 06:29:25 PM
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It seems that the cold war begins between Russia and the United States of America, this can be used as a weapon. Surebet of the last century this conflict is more serious.
The cold war begins she is a long time coming. Putin is a former KGB officer and brought up in hatred of the Western world. He has set a goal of revenge after the defeat in the cold war and the restoration of the USSR. The West for a long time do not underestimate him, and given him a head start. Only now Western bureaucratic machine began to attempt to counter attack Putin.
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May 07, 2017, 05:14:32 AM
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When the Taliban was ruling Afghanistan, they had banned the cultivation of opium poppy. But the NATO-backed puppets not only removed the ban, but also introduced the cultivation to more areas as well. A lot of this opium is going to end up in Russia, in the form of Heroin. Putin is looking at various options to reduce the shipment of opium from Afghanistan.

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May 07, 2017, 07:57:48 AM
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When the Taliban was ruling Afghanistan, they had banned the cultivation of opium poppy. But the NATO-backed puppets not only removed the ban, but also introduced the cultivation to more areas as well. A lot of this opium is going to end up in Russia, in the form of Heroin. Putin is looking at various options to reduce the shipment of opium from Afghanistan.

exactly,the production of raw opium ,and it is only what they can track,increased 30-50 fold (according to different sources,western media sources)
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/02/10/afghan-opium-production-increases-35-fold-since-u-s-invasion/
http://www.mintpressnews.com/afghan-opium-production-increased-40-times-since-nato-us-invasion/57053/
etc. etc. you can find hundreds of articles like that if you google
in reality it increased 1.000 times if not more,since the population has no sources of income and is encouraged to grow poppies
under supervision and control of the "liberators" NATO and US forces
the money from drugs sales is used in the agenices' black ops around the globe

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May 07, 2017, 11:11:16 AM
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When the Taliban was ruling Afghanistan, they had banned the cultivation of opium poppy. But the NATO-backed puppets not only removed the ban, but also introduced the cultivation to more areas as well. A lot of this opium is going to end up in Russia, in the form of Heroin. Putin is looking at various options to reduce the shipment of opium from Afghanistan.
Until Afghanistan will not be an industry and people will not be able to earn money the problem with the poppy cultivation will not be solved.
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When the Taliban was ruling Afghanistan, they had banned the cultivation of opium poppy. But the NATO-backed puppets not only removed the ban, but also introduced the cultivation to more areas as well. A lot of this opium is going to end up in Russia, in the form of Heroin. Putin is looking at various options to reduce the shipment of opium from Afghanistan.
Until Afghanistan will not be an industry and people will not be able to earn money the problem with the poppy cultivation will not be solved.

so Taliban somehow managed to solve the problem,but democratic US unable to do so?
or them bombing their own infrastructure (tunnels) is somehow helping to restore peace and improve
the living standards of afgani people?

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May 07, 2017, 06:55:48 PM
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When the Taliban was ruling Afghanistan, they had banned the cultivation of opium poppy. But the NATO-backed puppets not only removed the ban, but also introduced the cultivation to more areas as well. A lot of this opium is going to end up in Russia, in the form of Heroin. Putin is looking at various options to reduce the shipment of opium from Afghanistan.
Until Afghanistan will not be an industry and people will not be able to earn money the problem with the poppy cultivation will not be solved.

so Taliban somehow managed to solve the problem,but democratic US unable to do so?
or them bombing their own infrastructure (tunnels) is somehow helping to restore peace and improve
the living standards of afgani people?

And who will develop the industry in Afghanistan? Who needs it except for the Afghans themselves? It is their country, their life and their responsibility. As for drugs from Afghanistan it is a problem of Russian and Europe. What does the United States?
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May 07, 2017, 07:23:26 PM
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When the Taliban was ruling Afghanistan, they had banned the cultivation of opium poppy. But the NATO-backed puppets not only removed the ban, but also introduced the cultivation to more areas as well. A lot of this opium is going to end up in Russia, in the form of Heroin. Putin is looking at various options to reduce the shipment of opium from Afghanistan.
Until Afghanistan will not be an industry and people will not be able to earn money the problem with the poppy cultivation will not be solved.

so Taliban somehow managed to solve the problem,but democratic US unable to do so?
or them bombing their own infrastructure (tunnels) is somehow helping to restore peace and improve
the living standards of afgani people?

And who will develop the industry in Afghanistan? Who needs it except for the Afghans themselves? It is their country, their life and their responsibility. As for drugs from Afghanistan it is a problem of Russian and Europe. What does the United States?

The industry is like no other and it can either be fought against or taxed. Both have multiple outcomes because of all the variables. I think that it should be legal to use in pure forms in hospitals

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