BTC MINER uses MASSIVE HASHING POWER to CURE CANCER!

[jimhsu]

Still, it's very much centralized (at least at the start). I've been proposing a system that transitions into a decentralized scheme as time goes on, but centralization and consensus of what proteins need to be solved will have to be in place at the start.

[cygnusxi]

Personally, i dont mind a small amount of centralization if it is going to be controlled by doctors and scientists at one of the best universities in the world. (currently we trust in our governments to hold our money LOL, which would u rather have... GW bush? obama? or a scientist? no comparison!!!)

oh, just got a call from my mother. she wants me to go look at a dog with her she might buy 

Keep the posts coming guys we need and the ideas and criticisms we can get to make something like this happen!

[Mooshire]

Intro CureCoin (CRC)

[gramma]

I feel a little like the turd in the punchbowl here, but I feel I gotta say it:  While I am happy, giddy, to contribute a significant amount of my hashing to a project for the good of humanity, I am not happy to contribute to a project that will result in our mutual discovery being patented and/or sold or licensed.  I am not a profit-hating "socialist" by any means.  I do want the charity of our community respected by not trying to profiteer from it.

Are there any assurances from Stanford that this is pure research, with no restricted rights upon the knowledge gleaned, nor expectation of bottom-line-enhancing performance from these discoveries?

[wachtwoord]

Personally, i dont mind a small amount of centralization if it is going to be controlled by doctors and scientists at one of the best universities in the world. (currently we trust in our governments to hold our money LOL, which would u rather have... GW bush? obama? or a scientist? no comparison!!!)

oh, just got a call from my mother. she wants me to go look at a dog with her she might buy 

Keep the posts coming guys we need and the ideas and criticisms we can get to make something like this happen!

Please don't blindly trust universities especially the rich ones.

Otherwise very cool idea. Centralistic bootstrapping can be useful but minimize it as much as possible.

[btceic]

oh, and on their stats page it looks like about 75% of their network is being helped by cpu's .... bitcoin miners could really show these guys how computing power is done... and think about this too... if we broadcast to the world that the bitcoin community is going to use its power to possibly cure cancer, it could mean more media and respect for the bitcoin / altcoin, meaning a possibly much higher value and interest in bitcoins and the people that mine them.

+10000000000

[cygnusxi]

Personally, i dont mind a small amount of centralization if it is going to be controlled by doctors and scientists at one of the best universities in the world. (currently we trust in our governments to hold our money LOL, which would u rather have... GW bush? obama? or a scientist? no comparison!!!)

oh, just got a call from my mother. she wants me to go look at a dog with her she might buy  

Keep the posts coming guys we need and the ideas and criticisms we can get to make something like this happen!

Please don't blindly trust universities especially the rich ones.

Otherwise very cool idea. Centralistic bootstrapping can be useful but minimize it as much as possible.

well, technically the centralization would be rather low. the proposed two different kinds of blocks would ensure that. the low difficulty mining blocks would be much more abundant than the high difficulty folding blocks. so the p2p network would still be responsible for checking its own security exactly the way bitcoin does now. the only difference is that the work to be done in the folding block would not be random crypto but something useful.

I dont think stanford is gonna try to steal your couple of cure coins considering the increased computing power they would gain would have them busy solving new cures.

[skull88]

"If we better understand protein misfolding we can design drugs and therapies to combat these illnesses."

Problem there lies in the fact that, when looked in the big picture, illnesses are not bad - they are neccessary. It is how nature works. So no thanks, I won't participate.

BTW, religion and science are the two sides of the same coin - you should not go crazy after any of them.

My wifes uncle has a few months to live, is around 50 years old, terminal liver cancer, want to trade places with him to see if you still have the same opinion then?

Diseases are a natural way of control the human population, but it fails miserably, so curing people and informing people that taking kids is a stupid idea would probably be better than let nature solve it on her own.

[cygnusxi]

I feel a little like the turd in the punchbowl here, but I feel I gotta say it:  While I am happy, giddy, to contribute a significant amount of my hashing to a project for the good of humanity, I am not happy to contribute to a project that will result in our mutual discovery being patented and/or sold or licensed.  I am not a profit-hating "socialist" by any means.  I do want the charity of our community respected by not trying to profiteer from it.

Are there any assurances from Stanford that this is pure research, with no restricted rights upon the knowledge gleaned, nor expectation of bottom-line-enhancing performance from these discoveries?

are there any assurances?

no, nothing in life is certain. except death. and for a lot of us that death is cancer. that is certain.

i do understand fully your concern for how big medical companies will possibly make money from this research

Big corporations have been making 99% of the money in the world since the day you were born - CureCoin changes NOTHING ABOUT THAT.

there was another post in which someone was slamming the idea of curecoin making money for the "big corps"

so this next statement is directed at that guy, not the turd in the punchbowl.

If youre worried about big corps screwing the people of the world maybe you should run for a seat in congress or the senate... and vote no against the rape of people by "big corps" that has been happening since before youre great great great grandpa right here on the planet I thought most of you lived on. to think that curecoins would be the thing that enables big corps to really screw us... then your eyes have been shut your whole life because its been happening since as far back as recorded history goes.

[cygnusxi]

"If we better understand protein misfolding we can design drugs and therapies to combat these illnesses."

Problem there lies in the fact that, when looked in the big picture, illnesses are not bad - they are neccessary. It is how nature works. So no thanks, I won't participate.

BTW, religion and science are the two sides of the same coin - you should not go crazy after any of them.

My wifes uncle has a few months to live, is around 50 years old, terminal liver cancer, want to trade places with him to see if you still have the same opinion then?

Diseases are a natural way of control the human population, but it fails miserably, so curing people and informing people that taking kids is a stupid idea would probably be better than let nature solve it on her own.

subSTRATA - your view on this seems like a taoist response, i am / was a bit of a taoist . if you are a taoist or buddhist then i know exactly why you would say that. HOWEVER , if you are a taoist or buddhist then maybe should read.... whats the name of that book... There is a very old taoist book that talks about the 360 degrees of life (not to be confused with the newer book tao 365). basically it says that tao comes in all forms. alchemy, botany, physical training, mathematicians, and a long list of sciences and other things. basically the flow of the tao is supposedly inside anyone who does what they do with passion, even if your a bitcoin miner or a doctor trying to make a cure.

by saying "religion and science are the two sides of the same coin -you should not go crazy after any of them" that sounds like a very taoist standpoint.
if youre not a taoist and youre saying that.... well, not nice. either way... try to wrap your head around "basically the book says that tao comes in all forms. alchemy, botany, physical training, and a long list of sciences and other things"   ... if you have no idea what tao is ... it is a reference to flow of life. great reading that tao stuff.  

long story short, dont just come by and say something negative like " blah blah cancer i wont help", especially without anything real to back it up. your explantion is taoist wanna be empty logic at best. and if are a taoist you a learner just as much as the rest of us.

some of us are trying to accomplish something much bigger than yourself. spare the lame comments.

skull88 thanks for keeping it real and putting this guy in check... sorry about fam member. ive lost a couple in my fam to cancer. my gf's dad died from pancreatic cancer.. bleed to death in her arms . as you can imagine thats traumitic. for her, and the dad that died... people tend to think they are ... limitless

and hold me back skull, im trying to help put the right people together with the right ideas and people are stating science/religion is the same thing dont bother........ next he will be telling us we cant teach evolution, even in its "theoretical" form. hold me back skull!

FYI i also do sorta believe in all gods, just incase anyone took any offense from anything here. i call it being omniist. the belief in all Religions And Sciences being caused simultaneously be the collective conscience of the world... its all real , even aliens.

[iPaulito]

Do someone know what is the computational power of bitcoin network compared to the current fastest computer http://top500.org/featured/systems/titan-oak-ridge-national-laboratory/?
Of course it must be much higher but what scale? Thanks

[Mooshire]

If someone actually makes a CureCoin, I claim some for coming up with the name 

[jimhsu]

Do someone know what is the computational power of bitcoin network compared to the current fastest computer http://top500.org/featured/systems/titan-oak-ridge-national-laboratory/?
Of course it must be much higher but what scale? Thanks

Doesn't really translate because bitcoin is not floating point ... but:

That computer: 17.6 pflops
Bitcoin network: 918 pflops (http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/)

In fact, Bitcoin is fasterhas more processing power than all of the computers on that list, combined. Times 5. This is also 100x the computing power of the entire BOINC network. That's the magnitude of computing power we're talking about here. Bitcoin is on track to becoming the first exaflop distributed computer in the world (most likely ahead of NSA).

Basically, imagine protein folding with 1% of that power. That'll make a huge difference.

Prediction: by the time NSA gets their exaflop supercomputer (end of this decade), bitcoin will likely be at 100 exaflops. Conservatively.

[ihokamik]

I find this idea absolutely mind blowing.  Long before bitcoin I always was into distributed computing and I tried various scientific projects with BOINC.   While all these projects are all great and gratifying, the accepted shares or WU was always just a number on a web page.   Bitcoin started as a cool experiment for me but since it's worth something I got greedy and it's all my computers work for now.

If you can make a coin that is tradable and secure like Bitcoin with proof of work but that the same time produce something more tangible with all that processing power it would be totally awesome.   If such coin get on the exchanges, it means that people without the ability to mine can also invest in various scientific projects by buying coins which in turns encourage people to mine even more.   I can see a lot of people doing that as a sort of geeky donation and investment at the same time.

What I really like about your idea is also that this can be applied to all projects where a proof of work can be applied mathematically.  Folding@home is a great project but your idea could be applied to many more.   With some projects might even be easier to implement a proof of work concept.    Something like einstein@home where you find pulsars must be provable or something more basic like PrimeGrid which is simply searching for mega prime numbers.

Your idea applied to any project where the output is useful scientific data, could seriously change the world.   I can only see good thing coming out of this if someone make it true.  This could increase public awareness to various scientific projects in a way never seen before.

[BigJohn]

If what the proof-of-work does is calculate protein folding, then I would assume that the result, when found, would then be part of the blockchain would it not? Wouldn't that also necessarily make the results public knowledge? That seems to solve the problem of big corporations owning it as intellectual property, if it's in fact known to everyone.

[cygnusxi]

If what the proof-of-work does is calculate protein folding, then I would assume that the result, when found, would then be part of the blockchain would it not? Wouldn't that also necessarily make the results public knowledge? That seems to solve the problem of big corporations owning it as intellectual property, if it's in fact known to everyone.

yes, this could be another great benefit. Ive followed some of the links on the projects that are being done. it looks like the info is all made public... but i dont know enough about folding to know if there is anything not posted that should be.

A great point though! This would indeed prevent someone from being able to hide or hoard secrets.

If you havent voted yet about this matter please do so here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=192033.0

im doing some experimenting with folding and mining at the same time right now. With the beta 13.3 drivers im able to get high folding speed and also mine for coins with only about a 20% sacrifice to mining hashrate.
Ill share some results after the pc runs all night folding and mining. I recommend giving folding and mining at the same time a try.

EDIT * the older drivers are no good for folding and mining at the same time.

[mc_lovin]

folding@home cost me billions lol.  I was hardcore into f@h for yeaaaaars and years, right up until 2011 when I heard about Bitcoin.  I do NOT regret any of my processor cycles, hopefully the efforts were useful for them and I contributed to something useful.

But hearing after the fact, that a small portion of my power could have made 10's of millions if I knew about Bitcoin back then. Drat!

[abanker]

Hello everyone. First of all I would like to tell you that I am very excited to be part of your community. (This is my first post)
Do you think it would be possible to shift performance measurement to the client? For example by measuring flops in real time? Is there any other useful measurement of CPU and gpu performance?

[BigJohn]

Anything ever happen with this?

[markm]

Anything ever happen with this?

There is another thread.

But basically its kind of a fail because the whole blockchain concept is a pointless and exceedingly expensive bunch of overhead crap that is not needed for accounting benefits or rewards to give to people who do folding.

So mostly it is just another scamcoin taking advantage of the whole cancer/folding thing as an excuse for making another coin, not an actually efficient way to subsidise folding or curing diseases or anything else.

-MarkM-