Got scammed on localbitcoins.com

[sardasa]

I was selling bitcoin on localbitcoins.com for Neteller.
Sold BTC for $87 to this guy https://localbitcoins.com/accounts/profile/rafaelramos2819/ on April 24th which got reversed on April 29th.
As usual, Neteller and localbitcoins were not helpful in their replies at all.

Neteller txn getting reversed: http://prntscr.com/f4qvrg
Id he sent me of his partner: http://prntscr.com/f4qvvx
His partner's name: Omar Dario Ciprian Brito
His facebook which is not very real: https://www.facebook.com/omardario.ciprianbrito
Card with which funds were uploaded (as per him): http://prntscr.com/f4qw7p 4173********9083

His other e-mail from which he sent me funds in our second trade on April 25th: empresasrafael@gmail.com

Anyone can please help to track him down?

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My chat with him on 1st trade:

May 6, 2017, 12:28 p.m.

sardasa : You are NOT going to refund me my BTC?
May 2, 2017, 11:14 a.m.

sardasa : So you will not reply now?
April 29, 2017, 11 p.m.

sardasa : When will you send me my btc?
April 29, 2017, 6:46 p.m.

sardasa : You got BTC now? Can you send it to me or ask admin to transfer funds from your wallet to mine?
April 29, 2017, 6:45 p.m.

rafaelramos2819: Ok sr
April 29, 2017, 6:27 p.m. ADMIN

peter.localbitcoins: rafaelramos2819, your account is suspended. Please resolve your trades.
April 29, 2017, 3:24 p.m.

sardasa : Arrange BTC from some one
April 29, 2017, 3:11 p.m.

rafaelramos2819: My friend told him that I will pay the brc but if I do not have btc now what do I do
April 29, 2017, 2:57 p.m.

sardasa : What no. Send me my btc back pls. Neteller have reversed your payment. I have sent you screenshot. What else are you waiting for?
April 29, 2017, 2:56 p.m.

rafaelramos2819: No
April 29, 2017, 2:54 p.m.

sardasa : What you dont have right now?
April 29, 2017, 2:33 p.m.

rafaelramos2819: I do not have it right now but I will have it from the moment I have them
April 29, 2017, 2:19 p.m.

sardasa : Are you sending me btc now?
April 29, 2017, 2:06 p.m.

sardasa : You'll have to return my BTC. There is no other option for you.
April 29, 2017, 2:05 p.m.

rafaelramos2819: Quiet I'm going to open it's account, and if I do not return your btc
April 29, 2017, 2:03 p.m.

sardasa : $87 got reversed from my account. It's a loss for me now.
April 29, 2017, 2:03 p.m.

sardasa : Yes, open the screenshot I have attached. Your payment got reversed .
April 29, 2017, 2:03 p.m.

rafaelramos2819: And you leave balance to your account
April 29, 2017, 2:01 p.m.

rafaelramos2819: If there are no problems, what happened?
April 29, 2017, 12:47 p.m.

sardasa : PFA Neteller txn that got reversed.

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April 29, 2017, 11:18 a.m.

sardasa : As expected your payment got reversed. Can you refund my bitcoin please?
April 24, 2017, 11:50 p.m.

sardasa : Escrow released. Thanks for the trade!
April 24, 2017, 11:50 p.m.

rafaelramos2819: thank sr
April 24, 2017, 11:49 p.m.

rafaelramos2819: sr send pay
April 24, 2017, 11:47 p.m.

sardasa : Pls send me payment at ************@gmail.com
Pls dont write anything on your payment.

I will take the risk.
April 24, 2017, 11:46 p.m.

rafaelramos2819: cancel?
April 24, 2017, 11:46 p.m.

rafaelramos2819: No sir for security I can not do that if you want to make the deal you will not have problems
April 24, 2017, 11:44 p.m.

sardasa : I don't accept payments uploaded using credit card unless you show me picture of this credit card also.
April 24, 2017, 11:43 p.m.

rafaelramos2819: ready
April 24, 2017, 11:42 p.m.

rafaelramos2819:

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April 24, 2017, 11:40 p.m.

sardasa : I dont need your e-mail id. i need your account screenshots.
April 24, 2017, 11:39 p.m.

rafaelramos2819: my email rafaelramx01@gmail.com
April 24, 2017, 11:39 p.m.

sardasa : Pls send me the screenshots then
April 24, 2017, 11:39 p.m.

rafaelramos2819: My account is verified
April 24, 2017, 11:38 p.m.

rafaelramos2819: yes
April 24, 2017, 11:38 p.m.

sardasa : Can you pls meet the requirements?

LocalBitcoins.com retains chat messages for 180 days after the trade closes.
Trade info
rafaelramos2819 security information

The advertisement payment method is high risk.

 User has verified email address.

 User has verified phone number.

User real name is RAFAEL RADHAMES RAMOS MARCHENA (verified)

 Users who have publicly verified the real name of this trader:

    marcostkd17 (3000+; 100%) 7 months, 3 weeks ago
    viermart (500+; 99%) 3 weeks, 4 days ago
    Natalie777 (500+; 100%) 3 weeks, 4 days ago
    tiger82 (30+; 95%) 1 week ago
    sb85 (500+; 100%) 9 months, 2 weeks ago
    Holyboss (23; 91%) 1 week, 2 days ago

 User account is older than two weeks.

User has LocalBitcoins trades. Show feedback.

You have prior trades with this user.

The user IP address is from Dominican Republic.

The user has verified phone number in Dominican Republic.

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My chat with him on 2nd trade where he disclosed about his partner Omar:

April 30, 2017, 1:45 a.m.

sardasa : Would you reply or shall I leak your friend on the interent?
April 28, 2017, 7:49 a.m.

sardasa : I cannot unless you provide me all proofs. More details you provide, better it is for us to develop trust and trade further
April 28, 2017, 12:08 a.m.

rafaelramos2819: Please sell me 77
April 27, 2017, 5:20 p.m.

sardasa : nope, i want you to go inside of your neteller transaction and show me the last 4 digits of the card that was used for adding money to your neteller account
April 27, 2017, 5:16 p.m.

rafaelramos2819: You want me to send you the photo of the card on the pc screen
April 27, 2017, 5:11 p.m.

sardasa : If you want to deal then send me the requested txn screenshot pls
April 27, 2017, 5:07 p.m.

rafaelramos2819: You're mad sir you're sent from all these asking for personal things nobody does that total look at the rate you have this high if you want to do business if not no you're not the only one
April 27, 2017, 7:48 a.m.

sardasa : Cool. Now send me inside details of your txn to show the card details from neteller
April 27, 2017, 6:29 a.m.

rafaelramos2819:

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April 27, 2017, 6:29 a.m.

rafaelramos2819:
Look sir after talking so much with omar gave me the selfie
April 27, 2017, 12:10 a.m.

sardasa : Send me proper proper proofs or else no trade.
April 26, 2017, 11:28 p.m.

rafaelramos2819: Brother if my balances were bad I will not send you my id do not make an account with my name
April 26, 2017, 11:27 p.m.

rafaelramos2819: What is carder
April 26, 2017, 11:24 p.m.

sardasa : I cannot do anymore business unless you verify the source of funds. As simple as this. I dont want to deal with a carder or scammer.
April 26, 2017, 11:23 p.m.

sardasa : So it cannot happen or send me funds from his Neteller account. Ask him to come online and talk to me
April 26, 2017, 11:22 p.m.

rafaelramos2819: We have 3 days doing business if you want to continue oh yes no no I can not do more than ahy
April 26, 2017, 11:22 p.m.

rafaelramos2819: Good brother he does not want nobody is putting his face on the internet for safety and he's done some things that I do not do

April 26, 2017, 11:11 p.m.

sardasa : holding his id also
April 26, 2017, 11:07 p.m.

rafaelramos2819: A selfie of omar
April 26, 2017, 11:01 p.m.

sardasa : Ask your partner to send me his selfie along with his id
April 26, 2017, 11 p.m.

rafaelramos2819: Because it belongs to my partner and we use it in my account sometimes because mine no longer has a balance I am waiting for the payday
April 26, 2017, 10:54 p.m.

sardasa : Card is on name of Omar Brito and your name is RAFAEL RADHAMES RAMOS MARCHENA. Why is there a difference?
April 26, 2017, 10:46 p.m.

rafaelramos2819:

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April 26, 2017, 10:29 p.m.

rafaelramos2819: For security
April 26, 2017, 10:29 p.m.

rafaelramos2819: Well I will cover the 8 middle digits
April 26, 2017, 10:20 p.m.

sardasa : Send me picture of these debit cards also which you use to add funds to your neteller accounts
April 26, 2017, 10:19 p.m.

sardasa : How many accounts do you have?
April 26, 2017, 10:18 p.m.

rafaelramos2819: I'm using my old account
April 26, 2017, 10:16 p.m.

sardasa : All your accounts are brand new. Why dont you continue to use old accounts?
April 26, 2017, 10:15 p.m.

sardasa : Whats the kind of money laundering that you are involved in?
April 26, 2017, 10:15 p.m.

rafaelramos2819: Is so you always see that I have no problems
April 26, 2017, 10:15 p.m.

sardasa : Sorry but why do you create one new account daily?
April 26, 2017, 10:15 p.m.

rafaelramos2819: NO sr
April 26, 2017, 10:14 p.m.

sardasa : Is this new account?
April 26, 2017, 10:14 p.m.

rafaelramos2819: LOOK AT ALL ACCOUNT MY RATING RAFAELRAM3@GMAIL.COM
April 26, 2017, 10:14 p.m.

rafaelramos2819:

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April 26, 2017, 10:14 p.m.

sardasa : Good. You did not tell me why will you buy btc daily for apecific $87 only.
April 26, 2017, 10:13 p.m.

rafaelramos2819: WELL ALSO
April 26, 2017, 10:11 p.m.

sardasa : I am fine. Thanks for asking. How are you?
April 26, 2017, 10:10 p.m.

rafaelramos2819: hello sr how are you
April 26, 2017, 10:07 p.m.

sardasa : Hello
April 26, 2017, 10:05 p.m.

rafaelramos2819: hey sr
April 26, 2017, 8:55 a.m.

sardasa : Why so?
April 26, 2017, 12:27 a.m.

rafaelramos2819: yes
April 25, 2017, 11:53 p.m.

sardasa : Ok. Will u buy $87 daily?
April 25, 2017, 11:49 p.m.

rafaelramos2819: Thanks for releasing
April 25, 2017, 11:48 p.m.

rafaelramos2819: Neglect you will not have problems with my balance my dear friend
April 25, 2017, 11:47 p.m.

rafaelramos2819: yes
April 25, 2017, 11:46 p.m.

sardasa : But you fund your account with your card
April 25, 2017, 11:45 p.m.

rafaelramos2819: It is not ethical it looks better that the business has its own brother account
April 25, 2017, 11:45 p.m.

rafaelramos2819: Because as I receive payments on my personal account that are from my business
April 25, 2017, 11:43 p.m.

sardasa : To create different neteller accounts is your business?
April 25, 2017, 11:42 p.m.

rafaelramos2819: Because that is my business
April 25, 2017, 11:41 p.m.

sardasa : Why you used different account today?
April 25, 2017, 11:40 p.m.

rafaelramos2819:

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April 25, 2017, 11:38 p.m.

rafaelramos2819: this ***********@gmail.com
April 25, 2017, 11:36 p.m.

sardasa : Yes pls
April 25, 2017, 11:35 p.m.

rafaelramos2819: I send the payment to the address yesterday?
April 25, 2017, 11:34 p.m.

sardasa : Send payment now pls to yesterdays email id only
April 25, 2017, 11:30 p.m.

rafaelramos2819: ALWAYS CHECKED
April 25, 2017, 11:30 p.m.

rafaelramos2819:

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April 25, 2017, 11:28 p.m.

rafaelramos2819: Yesterday I explained it to you and you did not have any problem with your account
April 25, 2017, 11:28 p.m.

sardasa : Show me that again pls
April 25, 2017, 11:27 p.m.

sardasa : Sending?
April 25, 2017, 11:27 p.m.

rafaelramos2819: Yesterday I explained to you that my account is verified and I am paying balance with my visa card
April 25, 2017, 11:19 p.m.

sardasa : Send me your neteller account txn history pls.
April 25, 2017, 11:19 p.m.

rafaelramos2819: email sr
April 25, 2017, 11:18 p.m.

rafaelramos2819: hi sr

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[Patatas]

Doesn't matter what platforms you trade on,there is no guarantee the opposite party won't reverse the payments.Even escrows are less helpful in this case.Since localbitcoins account are also sold on the market,you never know if you're dealing with the same person behind the verification and trusted feedbacks.

From his info,did you find any of his bitcointalk connections ?

[coin.trader]

I see for no use trading paypal/skril or neteller through escrow because of those.

Eh, good luck on future

[sardasa]

From his info,did you find any of his bitcointalk connections ?

Nope.

[TRF]

How is possible that Neteller reverse a transaction??? I was scammed times ago using Neteller and their support wouldn't reverse my transaction! Also, is not allowed to use Neteller for Buy\Sell crytpocoin, so you also risk that your account will be close!

[sardasa]

How is possible that Neteller reverse a transaction??? I was scammed times ago using Neteller and their support wouldn't reverse my transaction! Also, is not allowed to use Neteller for Buy\Sell crytpocoin, so you also risk that your account will be close!

You cant reverse it on your own but they can do it if they feel like.

[deadley]

How is possible that Neteller reverse a transaction??? I was scammed times ago using Neteller and their support wouldn't reverse my transaction! Also, is not allowed to use Neteller for Buy\Sell crytpocoin, so you also risk that your account will be close!

You cant reverse it on your own but they can do it if they feel like.

lol, it's not like this way. He used to upload fund in Neteller through card. So he reversed from card so it's automatically reverse from account because Neteller lost fund so they deduct from where he sent. It's just simple.

Don't take skrill/Neteller from unknown source very easily. Specially through localbitcoins/Paxful.

[warningsigns]

http://prnt.sc/f4qw7p


You should have been suspicious when he showed a card with a visa logo superimposed below the mastercard double globe logo.

And see the font used for the card number? It's stock OCR.

Criminal filth.
 

[chichidori]

Trust me bro i know, i have been doing designs on photoshop and that visa logo pasted on that card is the worst edit i have seen.

[deadley]

http://prnt.sc/f4qw7p


You should have been suspicious when he showed a card with a visa logo superimposed below the mastercard double globe logo.

And see the font used for the card number? It's stock OCR.

Criminal filth.
 

It's just simple rule for trading never take card payment doesn't matter how trusted is person. He knew guy sending fund from card he still took it. That is main problem. He risk it and lost the fund.

[imbest]

Hi sardasa,
Sorry for your lose.I consider neteller (paysafe group as well including skrill) as the most scammy payment processor.I had the same problem like you,and when i contacted neteller support they told me that i should negotiate with the sender as they're unable to assist me in any way.
In their terms and conditions,its clearly stated that any outgoing funds using the money transfer option are final and  not reversible.But they do reverse in some cases as deadley already mentioned.You must check the source of his neteller funds.if it is a card upload,do not take any funds from him.

[Fortify]

I think LocalBitcoins used to be good, but scammers are increasingly taking advantage of it. Now it appears that Neteller is as vulnerable to chargebacks as Paypal. It is probably best to stick with the fully verified traders who have done hundreds of transactions on the site - but even those accounts can be sold on and abused by scammers.

[erikalui]

LBC should help you to track this user as his details have been verified and now his account has been banned by the staff. May be he bought this account earlier as the account shows many valid trades of 2-5 BTC and suddenly he scams for a small amount like $87. It is very shady. That's the reason LBC and all these online trading sites cannot be trusted as reputed members sell their accounts and then you cannot verify the original owner. Sorry for your loss sardasa.

[sardasa]

LBC should help you to track this user as his details have been verified and now his account has been banned by the staff. May be he bought this account earlier as the account shows many valid trades of 2-5 BTC and suddenly he scams for a small amount like $87. It is very shady. That's the reason LBC and all these online trading sites cannot be trusted as reputed members sell their accounts and then you cannot verify the original owner. Sorry for your loss sardasa.

LBC support is as helpless as anything.
They have their policy to not disclose identity of members unless they're contacted by authorities.

I don't think any authority is going to register my complaint for $87 loss.

[Joel_Jantsen]

LBC should help you to track this user as his details have been verified and now his account has been banned by the staff.

They don't give a shit.They have mentioned it everywhere on the site,trade at your own risk.

That's the reason LBC and all these online trading sites cannot be trusted as reputed members sell their accounts and then you cannot verify the original owner. Sorry for your loss sardasa.

You can always verify the original owners but asking to sign messages from an address or checking their previous trades on LBC.