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Embermine - Ang Gawang-Sistema Para sa Malikhaing Pamumuhay

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Simula: May 5th, 2017, 5PM UTC                Matatapos: June 2nd, 2017, 5PM UTC






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About Embermine

Ang Embermine Project ay isang pagtatangkang magbigay sa mga users ng isang  gawang-sistema na maaring umadapt sa kanilang mga pagsisiskap na makamit ang kanilang layunin. Sa loob ng Embermine ay isang presensya na nagkokonekta sa bawat isa.  Habang kami ay maaring makapagbigay ng iba't-ibang uri ng gamit na maaring gamitin sa anumang uri ng sitwasyon, hinihikayat namin and inyong entrepreneural spirit na mag-eksperimento.   Hindi lamang namin hinihikayat ang aming users na magexperimento gamit ang aming mga tools, hinihikayat din namin ang "third party developers' na gumawa at lumikha ng mga "apps" at "plugins" kung saan pwedeng iintegrate sa loob ng Embermine, kung saan maaring lumikha ng higit na karanasan.  Gagawin namin ang kapaligiran para gawin ang eksaktong ganung bagay.

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Karagdagan sa aming "third party development partners" at open source na taga-ambag, kami ay puno sa "in-house team" na mga propesyonal at hitik sa karanasan sa pabibigay ng "cutting-edge" technology solutions sa aming mga parokyano.  Kami ay nagkakaisa sa aming dedikasyon para sa aming kumpanya at mga produkto nito na alinsunod sa aming "core philosophy" na nakalathala sa The Embermine Manifesto. Ibig naming pagusapan ang Embermine, kaya reach out to us!




James Drake
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Blockchain and Smart Contract evangelist. Futurist. Decentralizer. Creative Thinker, Reader, Writer, and Speaker. Scrabble and Street Fighter 2 champion.



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Jesse Meyer
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Aaron Vo
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Daniel Blaker
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May 13, 2017, 03:46:00 PM
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Where was it sold?

Here is the direct link to the token sale: https://embermine.com/crowdsale

Please let me know if you have any questions at all.



There will be DEV rewards, why did they take a few days to post to BTCTalk? The beginning of ICO is crap and in need of help? Well, good rewards can take your project to the moon or not! Grin

We are blockchain "outsiders", all of us fairly new to the world of cryptocurrencies, smart contracts, and blockchain technology. We are coming at this world from the application development, Fintech, and Creative Management perspective, and collaborating with the companies who are on the leading edge of these technologies. So when we learned about BitcoinTalk, none of us had any practical experience with this community, its forms, it rules (both written and unwritten), and the traps and quagmires that can form within it. For us to come here as unbidden novices would have been only for the obvious reason of courting your money and intrigue.

Now, there is nothing wrong with wanting to do that, if you are a member of the community and you have paid your dues. We hadn't, as is likely obvious by my low score next to my name. Next to all Embermine names. So we decided not to post here on all spanking new accounts and try to pretend we deserve your attention and interest, since we had applied none before this. I do wish that we had learned of this place sooner, to have provided us an opportunity to learn more from this community and its members. All of this is important, because everyone in this community now is a walking, living, breathing ambassador to the "cryptoworld" for the many thousands of ordinary people who will be introduced to it for the first time by Embermine.

THIS is why we at Embermine need this community. Because as legions of folks who have never before heard of "bitcoin" or "blockchain" will now be delving into these worlds, and will, inevitably, come into contact with you. So please remember that when products and services finally reach the mainstream, the whole game goes supersonic. So we wanted to learn. To know more about this community before we selfishly approach you with Embermine. I can now see that it would have been fine and I apologize for the loss of time to those of you who exclusively get their ICO/Token Sale news from this source.

So, to extend a moment of gratitude to this community for welcoming us in, and in some form of compensation for having missed the opportunity, I would like to offer the members of this forum a special bonus:

Receive 5% EMB Bonus for participating in Embermine's Token Sale between now and Sunday, May 14, 2017  5:00pm UTC (12 Noon Sunday Central Standard Time)

Award Source: The Embermine Marketing Pool (5%).
Limit ONE AWARD per BTCTalk account.
To Claim:
Send to a DM to embermine_drake from your account containing the following information:
1. email address used for the transaction
2. The Bitcoin address sent from.
3. The TX Hash
4. The Ethereum address sent to

This will allow us to add the reward to the appropriate address once the sale is complete. All Claims must be sent immediately and received before the token sale is complete to receive award.

Thank you to everyone for their warm welcome! Please do not hesitate to ask if you have any questions. Or join our Slack (slack.embermine.com) or Telegram (https://t.me/embermine) if you would like to learn more about us, interact or ask us questions directly, or just want to discuss Embermine, smart contracts, or any other blockchain subject!




What will happen if you won't reach your minimum goal of 200 BTC?

If we do not reach the minimum of 200 BTC, all funds invested into the crowd sale will be returned.

I want to know where I can see the escrow for this crowdsale? and when is this ICO project launched?
How much do you intend to sell this coin for BTC price or USD price because Bitcoin is rising so fast.

The Escrow account for Embermine's Token Sale was set up by TokenMarket and is being administrated by Coinfirm.io in a multi-sig wallet. The full token sale information can be found here: https://embermine.com/crowdsale

The ICO has already launched and is going until 12:00 Noon Central Standard Time June 2, 2017. We are selling the coin at .00004 BTC per EMB. Because it is an escrow token sale and all coins are returned to the owners directly, there is no loss in value to market while ICO is running. The moment the sale ends and the coin is minted, the link to the parent currency is broken and they begin having different values. So there is no risk to investments that do not meet the minimum. Bitcoin rising fast while the sale is running is a good thing. Because even now, virtually, every EMB has doubled in value because of the double in BTC value. So whatever the price BTC is at moment when the coins are minted, that determines the opening value of the newly created coin. I have been told that the best thing to happen for a token sale like ours would be if Bitcoin rushed to the great heights and everyone bought in quick, maxing out the token sale and starting the clock until the new coin is created, establishing its value separate from Bitcoin. Then Bitcoin drops through the floor and then EMB rise a little bit. Once EMB is on the Exchanges (Kraken, bitfinex, etc.) your use it to buy BTC direct and profit in BTC! (Credit goes to @Crypt0Leviathan on Twitter, who sent me a long DM to tell me how this happens. I tried to simplify it. So thank you, Crypt0Leviathan!)   
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The Embermine Marketing Bounty Program

Okay, at long last, here it is! The purpose of the Marketing Program is to introduce Embermine not only to the cryptoworld, but also the potential users of our platform, which literally could be anyone. So don't be shy! Do any of the activities below to collect points. At the end of the sale, we will tally all of the interactions for all of the individuals who registered for the program. Register by sending to us the following information by email (bounty@embermine.com), Direct Message, or Slack/Telegram DM: (PLEASE do not post this information in a public post or area!)

BitcoinTalk User Name
Email Address (for verification and redeeming the rewards)
Facebook Profile/Page URL
Twitter User Name
Embermine Public Slack User Name
Embermine Telegram User Name
BitcoinTalk Translation Page URL (if applicable)
Moderator Names (When selected)
Personal Blog URL (If using it
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When the token sale is completed, the Marketing Pool will be established with 5% of the total EMB tokens created during the sale period. The Marketing Pool is allocated in the following ways: 50%: User Marketing Programs, 40% Marketing Bounty Program, 10%: Customer Service/Special Service Rewards

The Marketing Bounty Pool will receive 40% of the total EMBs created for the Marketing Pool. (2.5% of total created EMBs)

Each Participant will receive a portion of the total EMBs available for the program equal to the percentage of points they collected of the total. So, for example, if you collected 5000 points, and a total of 500,0000 points were collected by all Participants, you would receive 1% of the total Marketing Bounty Pool. 

Bounties:

Facebook
Must have at least 100 friends or followers and been active for at least 90 days. Bonus is given for extra followers:
1000-2000: 2x Points
2001-3000: 3x Points
3001-4000: 4x Points
4001-5000: 5x Points
5000+ (Page Likes): 6x Points

All rewards are based upon totals accumulated by 5:00pm UTC (12pm Central Standard Time), June 2, 2017 or the when the sale ends

Like the Embermine Facebook Page: 20 points (one time award)
Like an Embermine Facebook Page Post: 2 points (one award per post)
Share Embermine Facebook Page Post (Public Privacy setting): 10 points (one award per post)
Create a Relevant, Original Post About Embermine (Public Privacy Setting, #Embermine): 20 points (once per day) The Embermine Team will judge each post’s relevance to the token sale, features, philosophy, or Embermine team to award the points. Users will be notified if their post is not qualified.

Twitter
Must have at least 100 followers and been active for at least 90 days. Must still be active at Token Sale Completion.

Bonus is given for extra followers:
1000-5000: 2x Points
5001-10000: 3x Points
10001-15000: 4x Points
15001-25000: 5x Points
25000+ : 6x Points

All rewards are based upon totals accumulated by 5:00pm UTC (12pm Central Standard Time), June 2, 2017 or when the sale ends

Follow @TheEmbermine on Twitter: 20 points
Tweet the following: Join @TheEmbermine during their #EMB token sale: https://embermine.com/crowdsale #blockchain #smartcontract : 20 points (once per calendar day)
Use the Embermine Logo Header Card: 50 points Download from: https://embermine.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/twitter_logo_banner.png
Like any Tweet (Posted after 05/11/2017) by @TheEmbermine: 5 points
Retweet any Tweet (Posted after 05/11/2017) by @TheEmbermine: 5 Points
Create a Relevant, Original Tweet About Embermine (Tagging @TheEmbermine): 30 points (once per calendar day) The Embermine Team will judge each tweet’s relevance to the token sale, features, philosophy, or Embermine team to award the points. Users will be notified if their tweet is not qualified.

Website Newsletter (https://embermine.com/contact/)
Join our Newsletter: 20 points (one time award, must be same email as registration)

Slack
Join our Slack Channel: https://slack.embermine.com 20 Points (One time award, must be active at end of sale)

Telegram
Join our Telegram Channel: https://t.me/embermine 20 Points (One time award, must be active at end of sale)

YouTube
Follow our YouTube Channel: 20 Points
Share a Video on Facebook: 10 Points (All Facebook Rules and Bonuses Apply)
Share a Video on Twitter: 10 Points (All Twitter Rules and Bonuses Apply)

Reddit
Must have at least 5 Karma and been active at least 90 days.
Subscribe to the Embermine sub: 20 Points (one bounty per User)
Post an Embermine-relevant Article/Link/Question on our sub: 10 points (For first post only)
Relevant articles, links, and media are ones that either mention or discuss Embermine directly, or the discuss the topics of Smart Contracts, Graphene blockchain, BitShares Asset Platform, IPFS, Privacy, or Digital Rights Management on the Blockchain.

Translations
Full BitCoinTalk ANN Page Translation, Post and Moderate Thread (2 seats): 500 Points for Translation and posting, 20 points per day for Moderation, starting 05/11/2017 and lasting until the token sale ends.

Please claim your language by placing a post on here, so we can recognize you officially, for all to see. Once we officially recognize your claim, you have 48 hours to complete the translation and post the ANN, or the claim will be given to another.
The page must be completed before the sale is completed to receive the reward. The page creator can choose up to two others as moderators. Only two can be chosen, and if it is determined that they quit, abandon, or removed as moderator, they lose all accumulated points for the moderation time. Users can be moderators in more than one thread, but only one translation per user.

Languages: (feel free to suggest/claim one)
 
Chinese/Mandarin
Hindi: Claimed by Tiger5056
Filipino: Claimed by BitFinnese
Italian: Claimed by davide72

Spanish
English (2 Moderation awards only)
Arabic
Portuguese
Bengali
Russian: Claimed by GolemDeMort


Personal Blog/Newsletter/Medium/Steem: (all sites must be pre-approved and verified)
Post a unique, original, and relevant Embermine article on one of these sites (at least 800 words): 1000 points. (one award per day per User)

 
The Embermine staff have final say regarding the qualification of any effort for any bounty provided. Any attempt to defraud, cheat, or rig the bounty results will result in the forfeiture of all accumulated points by the offending account. There will be one warning given, allowing corrective action or explanation to be provided.
We are truly looking forward to working with all of you. We are creating a Marketing Bounty page on Embermine's public Slack Channel, so please join us there to keep up to date on the program, ask questions, as well as to be informed of new tweets, posts, and other opportunities to earn points!

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Hey guys, let us take advantage sa pamamagitan ng pagparticipate sa mga bounties nila.  Maari kayong magregister sa ganiton porma

Code:
BitcoinTalk User Name
Email Address (for verification and redeeming the rewards)
Facebook Profile/Page URL
Twitter User Name
Embermine Public Slack User Name
Embermine Telegram User Name
BitcoinTalk Translation Page URL (if applicable)
Moderator Names (When selected)
Personal Blog URL (If using it)

ipadala  lang ang impormasyon sa pamamagitan ng pag email sa bounty@embermine.com o di kaya magsend kayo ng direct message kay embermine_drake.  Basahin lang ang distribusyon ng puntos sa bawat task na gagawin  dito
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Daniel Blaker ay inanounce na community manager at siyang mamumuno sa Embermine Marketing  Bounty program  kung may katanungan kayo ukol sa bounty program maari nyo siyang kontakin.


Daniel Blaker, Embermine's community manager, will be taking over the lead at managing the Embermine Marketing Bounty program, as much of the communication with members on here, so please be aware when you see responses from him that he is an authorized representative of Embermine, Inc.

If any of you receive information of contact from anyone claiming to be one of us, please let us know right away. All email addresses SHOULD be formatted "name@embermine.com" and should verifiable through our website. We will never ask you to send any cryptocurrency DIRECTLY to us for any of our services, we would always use some verified source or a company-held/monitored address to conduct any/all transactions.

If someone claiming to be from our company contacts you and you are not expecting it, we will always gladly allow you to verify our info or role in the company. If push comes to shove, you can reach out to us through our various social media channels to request a verification. We want all of our users and fans to have a safe and exciting experience with Embermine. We know and expect to be questioned from time to time as to verify our information or identity. At least until our actual Embermine Platform is live, this is what we will need to do for any off you, and we accept that responsibility.

Thank you to everyone who has joined the Marketing program so far! Over 100 registrations and counting! Keep up the great work everyone!

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today is 26th May and project collect less then 20% of minimum cap

True, and just like every single token sale ever, about 90% of all of that activity is going to occur within an day of opening or a day of closing. Not that I am necessarily saying anything, but rather just to point out this:

Our original token sale had to be stopped 48 hours after it began because the sale widget at first was inaccessible to a majority of users due to a small code error by the third party, then the smart contract (it was an ETH-based sale at that time) was not accepting valid transactions toward the sale. After having that experience, and then literally rebuilding the sale from the ground up and using Bitcoin as the only method of payment (a requirement from one of our large investment groups) we relaunched the token sale on May 5th. We had advertised to a large extent and sent updated information to all of the ICO sites to get them to update the info  so that people would know when the sale changed. Of course a vast majority of these sites never bothered to change the information, or changed it much later, after the sale had already launched.

Because of the vary nature of these sort of things, suddenly, perception is fact. The perception is that this is a sale that has been shunned or ignored by investors and enthusiasts. When the reality is that many did not know of the sale's move, or change in features, or even that it was still running. This really dented the early sales of the project, which in this "demand economy" is a potential death sentence. Except I know a few things that many others do not:

1) We do not need the token sale to be successful to create the product.
Regardless of the token sale, Embermine is going to proceed and continue with the development of the platform. Our platform, especially now that we have committed to EOS and the backbone development platform for utilizing Graphene, the BitShares DEX, and their integrated Smart Contract development platform, is going to be developed. The token sale was important as a funding vehicle for Embermine, but there are plenty of other options that we are working on acquiring, including matching grants, personal loans, business loans, and other financing options. All of these are already being developed and were always intended on being pursued, in an effort to provide the most efficient management and caretaking of the company's funding capital. In a highly volatile and developing marketplace such as blockchain technology, it is important that you are not a "one trick pony". Flexibility and efficiency are critical to long term success and having the capital and mindset to enable a dexterous business plan that can flex to meet new developments in the areas of compliance and data collection requirements.
So why did we do a token sale at all? There are many pathways for funding development, but the biggest advantage for token sales is the combination of marketing as well as geographical distribution. Because of the  immense effort that is undergone to promote token sales and all of the interest and websites dedicated to these sales, advertising and getting recognition for your project is one of the most under appreciated results of a token sale. Add to that the vast geographical diversity of those who will participate in events like these, your market diversity and spread is almost unattainable in any other way. By literally placing the very key to entering our site in the hands and computers of thousands of people worldwide, token sales also become a great source of your first group of potential Users and marks the beginning the viral spread of Embermine's platform and advantages. It is this last purpose that truly attracted us to the token sale over typical VC models which would have us primarily focused upon investors and NOT the actual Users.

2) We are not running and creating Embermine for investors
Some blockchain projects are created with the purpose of appealing to investors, specifically the token sale and bounty programs. Development objectives with only the funding or crowdsale dynamics in mind is not only, in my opinion, questionable in terms of intent, but also distract from what is "supposed" to be the real reason why anyone should be interested in the project at all. FBecause of all of the reasons mentioned above, the ultimate result is that we are first and foremost, concerned about finding and appealing to the eventual end users. Those users are not only going to want a token for themselves, but also for anyone that they potentially would want to collaborate with on a current or future project. By being able to get a number of Seat Licenses at a very cheap rate (approx $0.10 each at current BTC prices) and with a low minimum BTC cost (~$12.00) and a low minimum for the token sale (200 BTC), we tell people, go get the minimum (125 licenses) and now you have "invested" $12.00 to get 125 licenses that you can either sell, use for yourself, or give them to your collaboration network to bring them with you to Embermine. So the very thing that distracts from the token sale aspects of Embermine, actually helps to develop the value statement for owning the coins in the first place. Most people in the crypto space do not know what to think about a company that is intended on being a mainstream, direct to end user product. Where the token is never going to be $1000. Or that the value to be found in owning the token is that ANYONE can use it. Hand be a bitcoin, and I may have a lot of "potential" money, but I only ever truly enjoy the actual value of owning the coin once I use it to buy something. Embermine is different. Regardless of the the coin's market value, the access the coin provides never changes, and you can enjoy the advantages of the network, or holding coins to participate in the DPoS protocol. Either way, the actual token has value just like bitcoin in trade, but it also has value in it's specific use.

3) Bitcoins invested do not lose value against the market if it does not hit the minimum
There have been a number of individuals who have said that they are holding off on purchasing until the bull run on BTC ends, or as they get closer to the end of the sale to eliminate various "opportunity costs". I can appreciate the fact that people know that they can wait because the crowdsale is not in imminent danger of closing without them. For some traders, having access to every one of their coins provides them the flexibility to react to changing market conditions. But if the only reason to not purchasing is because it may not reach the minimum is like saying you do not want to deposit money in a savings account because the money may be less valuable when you take it out. It is possible that Bitcoin's price could drop drastically at any time and for some people, having the flexibility to maneuver in those moments are good, but that is not the reason people are giving. Many are worried because the price is increasing. This is actually a desired thing. Until the sale ends and the tokens are minted, the price (value) of the EMB is virtually tied to BTC. For example, when we started this crowdsale, the cost of BTC was $1125. that means that at full token distribution, each EMB would have an initial market value of $0.045. Now, because of the raise in price of BTC, each coin now has a virtual value of 0.086, or almost double.

4) The sale will hit the minimum
Aside from a million pieces of evidence or logic that I can apply to show that the sale WILL go through, I will instead just say this: ICOs are the holders and multipliers of the crypto world. Regardless of the ICO, the product, or level of funding required, I have been made aware that we should easily hit our minimum as an investor's group intends on using our token sale as a large "value battery" against Bitcoin's possible tumble in value. Even without that, the trick for ICOs and their value multiplier, is that all investors in single currency ICOs are making a bet. They are not betting that tokens like Embers are going to be worth MORE than Ethereum or Bitcoin, but rather, that the new token MULTIPLIES in value against the founding coin. If Embers open at a value of $0.10/each, and you paid for those coins in Bitcoin, you are not "betting" that Embers will be worth $2500, but rather that the value ratio between EMB and BTC will increase in EMB's favor. To put it another way, you could set any arbitrary percentage of increase for the two tokens, EMB and BTC, say 100% and purchase with the intent to leverage THAT relationship, meaning that once EMBs reaches a 100% increase in value compared to BTC, you can sell up to 50% of your EMBs to get back your entire investment of BTC, PLUS still have EMB left over. So when evaluating that proposal, someone is betting that Embers will hit $0.20/each before BTC hits $5000, which allows them to essentially own Embers for free.

Allow me to try to explain what I have learned. (Which if you are in this to make money, it is time to pay attention.)

I received a DM from a twitter user name @Crypt0Leviathan that laid out the entire value proposition for Embermine's ICO and the results were stunning. I have since worked out the math myself, and found it to be 100% correct. The fact that is was so easy for me to understand makes me wonder why everyone does not already know this, or for that matter, why EVERY non-scam ICO does not fund out. I do not know for sure the Crypt)Leviathan's intent in sending me this info, but in the end, I am sure it is because of money. Here is what they sent to me:

For the purposes of this illustration, we are assuming that the current USD price of Bitcoin is $2500, making Ember value at $0.10/each
ICO Minimum: 200 BTC ($500,000)
ICO Maximum: 4000 BTC (10 million)
ICO Ending Date: June 2nd

So let's say that someone invests 100 BTC into Embermine tokens. They would receive 2,500,000 EMB when the sale concludes. Making their current "value chart" look like this:

EMB value: $0.10
BTC Value: $2500
Total BTC: 0
Total BTC Value: $0
Total EMB: 2,500,000 EMB
Total EMB Value: $250,000
Total Value: $250,000

As long as the price of Embers either is increasing or stays roughly the same while the sale is accumulating, your perceived value in the ICO is still increasing because the BTC are being held, but at not being converted into the EMBs yet. So their value stays equal with the market until that happens. Then the two coins will not only have separate relationships to the other currencies and independent values, but they will also establish a price ratio between the two. In crypto, most people equate value directly to the USD value, but there are potential trading pairs for any currency. Unlike just about any other market, you can directly trade any crypto for any other crypto. This fundamental difference is the power that makes the rest of this possible.

The #1 rule in crypto. Once your value is IN crypto, taking it out in fiat penalizes you. So unless you are going to actually use that fiat value for a purchase, removing it from crypto is eliminating this multiplier factor and also costs money and time in the effort to pass through the "membrane" that exists between these two financial markets. Much like the stock market. The only reason why you take the money out of the market is to use it or protect it. Since stocks and securities require tremendous amounts of effort to move value from one stock and security to another, and almost never directly, and with all of the regulatory framework and friction that exists in transferring this value during IPOs and other stock offerings, there are few, if any opportunities in investment potential that quite match ICOs.

Since the key to evaluating an ICO is found in the potential for the new coin to generate more value over any period of time proportional to the source coin, it ultimately does not matter if that token increases in value against USD or not to gain or retain value. It just has to gain or maintain value relative to the source coin. Take this example:

EMB Value $0.20
BTC Value: $2500
Total BTC: 100
Total BTC Value: $250,000
Total EMB: 1,250,000
Total EMB Value: $250,000
Total Value: $500,000

In this case, this user saw the value of the token hit $.20 each while BTC stayed even. Because Embers simply increased by $0.10 each, this allows the user, if so inclined, to sell Embers for Bitcoin at half the original price, because the price is expressed in terms of BTC, not USD. So this User sold 1/2 of their EMB to return the original investment back to BTC. Now, not only do they have the original BTC amount back, but they still have plenty of EMB too, and an increase in personal net worth. Of course, this works at any percentage, and interestingly enough, in both directions. But it is this essential element that crypto whales use to multiply their stake while at the same time diversifying their holdings and opportunities.

Now that we have established how the value multiplier works, we can also evaluate how certain scenarios, either engineered or natural, can create enormous opportunities for holders. Consider this example:

EMB Value: $0.10
BTC Value $1250
Total BTC: 100
Total BTC Value: $125,000
Total EMB: 1,250,000
Total EMB Value: $125,000
Total Value: $250,000

In this example, every thing is done just like the last example, but in this case, the opportunity existed because of the value multiplier between EMB and BTC moved, even while neither coin gained value relative to USD. And because we will always continue to evaluate value in terms of our fiat currency, that is only done because that is what we use to pay for things. Again, the goal on this is to diversify and increase opportunities for value. These two examples show some obvious mechanics, but the real shocker comes when BOTH occur. Consider this final example:

EMB Value: $0.20
BTC Value: $1250
Total BTC: 300
Total BTC Value: $375,000
Total EMB: 625,000
Total EMB Value: $125,000
Total Value: $500,000

Now, even though that does not LOOK impressive, taking a longer examination of it reveals some pretty amazing things. For example, now you have TRIPLED your original Bitcoin total, and still have a very significant number of EMBs. Of course, the user could have SOLD the 1,875,000 EMBs for USD and made $375,000, and that is an option, but here, to take advantage of the Bitcoin drop (and likely recovery), the User used the multiplier to increase their holding in BTC and generate a market position that is very strong after a market down turn. And they were able to do it without investing a single additional dollar of fiat. They are able to do this because they were able to store the value in the ICO and its tokens it produced.

So if you know that Bitcoin is going to fall, or that demand for the crypto will cause EMB to rise, or especially BOTH, one can use a token sale like Embermine to leverage that information to generate not only a ton of value, but avoid losing their accumulated value in the process.

So why did someone tell me all of this? I cannot say for sure, but what I can say is that I have many people looking at this project. Our investment group has said that they will invest as a group, close to the end. Of course they are, as if the sale does not close quickly, a severe drop in Bitcoin before it generate tokens does not evoke the multiplier, but rather, lowers the value of EMB when it does get minted.

So, if I KNEW Bitcoin was going to tank, regardless of what anything else does, and I have a large number of BTC value for my group or myself to protect. I start looking at new/uncompleted ICOs as options for retaining value and once I have marked a candidate or two, I organize my efforts so that everyone is buying at the same time. This not only allows them to get the maximum number of coins possible as there is little competition, but it gives them clear targets they need to meet to either hit the minimum or to close out the sale entirely. Because as long as that sale is open, EMB are pegged in value to BTC, and if the drop is coming, they want the sale to end, or maximum total reached so that the sale ends and the clock can begin ticking toward the minting of the new coin. So they will try to organize that it will get bought out as quickly as possible.

So that is the "cliff notes" version of what I was sent. In short, If you think that Bitcoin is going to fall in value, or you think that EMBs will rise in proportional value quicker than Bitcoin, you should buy some Embers.  Soon. Because it is only a matter of time before EVERYONE figures this out, or the investor group starts everything, and the sale with sell out, or end.

So take this for what it is. Math. Will this happen? I cannot say for sure. But there is no doubting the math. The only question is what are people going to do with this information?
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June 04, 2017, 12:35:00 PM
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Tapos na po ang ICO sadly hindi nameet ng team ang minimum requirement collection kaya posibleng i reimburse ang mga investment ng mga tao.  Gayun pa man ang proyekto ay magpapatuloy.



Ilang mga salita mula sa developer bago matapos ang ICO

~8 hours left and still far from the minimum funding goal, I guess we'll have to see how many last minute ico buyers show up.

This has been the question on my mind ever since our initial token sale had to be terminated because the sales widget did not function properly and allow individuals to invest. I knew it would be an uphill battle from that point on because we always knew that the first moments were important with ICOs. I also knew that it would be hard to rise above all the growing noise in the industry and markets to help people realize we are "still here".

In the end, no matter what happens, we will get the Ember token launched and fulfill all of the bounties. All of you have worked hard and did as you said. You should not completely lose out simply because the token launch did not meet its minimum. Without the funding it will take longer and the network will be worth less in the beginning, making adoption by Users wishing to use Constructor Entities on the platform a harder sell. But we would still get it together and make it work. Because that is what we do.



Would you consider doing another crowdsale in the future if this one failed?

For another project or someone else's event that I am working on, absolutely. For Embermine, not likely. We did this as an attempt to get as many people involved with the project as possible and generate enough working capital to do the development the right way.

If this continues as expected, and the sale does not meet its minimum, we will discuss how Embermine moves forward from that spot. There are many options. But another ICO for this, when the first one failed due to an error in the sales widget provided to us, and the second one did not meet the agreed upon minimum? With all of the craziness (ETH up 6x just since our original launch, for example) it was easy to get lost in the shuffle. But we are building this platform! Those who are in, will have options.  Grin
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