Why is the bitcoin community filled with scumbags?

[pizza]

BFL Josh - no comments needed
Avalon- Batch #2 delayed for 2 weeks, no communication
Kano & Luke Jr - Josh three way triangle love fest, hatred for eachother

These companies and developers are the face of bitcoin and they are all assholes. I guess when bitcoin becomes a one world currency it will easily be accepted by the scumbags who run the world. They ignore customers, talk down to them, verbally abuse them, and fight amongst each other like children. Is bitcoin the movement of psychologically disturbed people?

Below is an email to a company where I bought an extended battery from, maybe these assholes can learn a thing or two:

Sorry to hear that!  Here’s how we are going to help...  We have always attempted to treat each of our customers like we would want to be treated, and in light of that I have done two things: FIRST, I have shipped you out a replacement item of:

 ITEM:   Hyperion Samsung Galaxy Note II  Titanium Grey Back Cover
 TRACKING #:  *****

 SECOND I have decided not to ask you to waste the time to ship back the defective item, and would ask that you just dispose of it when the working one arrives.

 Thanks and have a good day,
 Christine
 Hyperion EA

 --- Original message ---

 Hi,

 I ordered the extended note 2 battery and the back cover never really seated on the left side. Now it is completely loose only the right side is holding the cover on.

 Please send another thanks

If this was loser Josh, the customer would of been degraded with such comments as "Pics or GTFO" "Liar!" "Or profane filled words", hopefully when new companies and developers enter bitcoin due to it's popularity these losers will die out to the breed of an actual human being, and not the inferior species that they have proved themselves to be.

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[DrG]

Well looking at your posts 1/3 of them are filled with some vulgarity or profanity, so asking others to respond to you in kind ....

[pizza]

Well looking at your posts 1/3 of them are filled with some vulgarity or profanity, so asking others to respond to you in kind ....

They're filled with vulgarity in response to it, not the other way around.

[bassclef]

Bitcoin leads to money, money leads to greed, greed leads to selfishness, selfishness leads to unhappiness...etc etc etc until you reach hate.

Insert Obi-Wan Kenobi quote where applicable.

[pizza]

Bitcoin leads to money, money leads to greed, greed leads to selfishness, selfishness leads to unhappiness...

Insert Obi-Wan Kenobi quote where applicable.

I mean so does Apple, and every company in the world, so does the company who I messaged about their product, look at their response to a customer. Maybe it's due to the fact the bitcoin was only successful in the beginning because of illegal shady activities which attract the lowest rung human. Therefore possibly why we have such community leaders. Birds of a feather flock together, but speaking with some companies and others, it seems that this lower rung of class will be pushed out by real professionals who know how to act like real human beings, so I still have hope.

[desired_username]

For that matter the world outside of bitcoin is filled with scumbags too.

I have a very long "black" list of people/companies/organizations which made me disappointed.

Once I complete my world domination plan these will all be eliminated.

muhahahhaa (evil grin)

[skull88]

In every community you will find scumbags and if you meet 10 nice people and 1 scumbag, you'll remember the scumbag the most. It's only perception and also outside the bitcoin community you will find scumbags. Once ordered a Dell laptop and they lost my payment, they didn't answer my mails and when I complained on their Facebookpage about it, one of the employees replied with "sucker". 

[bonker]

Well looking at your posts 1/3 of them are filled with some vulgarity or profanity, so asking others to respond to you in kind ....

I agree, profainity gets right up my f*cking ass-crack!

[Minor Miner]

Well looking at your posts 1/3 of them are filled with some vulgarity or profanity, so asking others to respond to you in kind ....

I agree, profainity gets right up my f*cking ass-crack!

bonker, you are a "hero" now, get a more appropriate avatar

[QuestionAuthority]

God I hope Luke Jr isn't the face of Bitcoin! Have you seen his photo! He looks like he was beaten with an ugly stick.

[ElectricMucus]

I like all three of them, each in their own way.

They provided a steady stream of tasty drama in the last few months and with out them I might have lost interest.
Kano was a chill dude once though he got infested with unwarranted self importance.


Josh only a short time phenomena once BFL stops functioning there is not much to get out of this guy.


As for Luke-Jr... awesome, absolutely awesome. He should get a price for Drama generation research, absolutely cutting edge Internet knight. Alt-chain bashing, forefront of the satoshi-dice is a evil conspiracy crowd, even the editwar over the Bitcoin currency sign.... priceless. I hope he never leaves.

[darkmule]

Bitcoin is full of intelligent but idealistic people with an often naive view of the world, i.e., suckers.

Where you find suckers, you will find people who prey on suckers.

God I hope Luke Jr isn't the face of Bitcoin! Have you seen his photo! He looks like he was beaten with an ugly stick.

He looks like a shifty-eyed liar.

Which in fact he is.

[Lethos]

Many of the people you mention, have technically brilliant skills in their fields, Hardware & software engineers of some description or another.

But that field was not necessarily include customer support / service skills. Even if some were thrust into that position.

They are the brains behind various operations / projects, those people in other bigger business' would not be public facing.
In the Bitcoin community it is more common place for projects regardless of size or complexity to be run by 1 or even a small handful of people.
So the option of hiding behind a layer of CS people is not an option for them.

Some have become bitter from years of abuse from too much direct informal contact with customers with unreasonable requests, blaming them directly for things etc, regardless if it was their fault or not. I'm not defending them, but usually as a company or project grows, the techs front facing duties are limited and customer support is handed off to someone better suited for the task and they are only consult when needed.
In the above mention names, this has not happened, so they've become like many who get abuse hurled at them too long... the effects are worse in some more than others.

[Minor Miner]

Many of the people you mention, have technically brilliant skills in their fields, Hardware & software engineers of some description or another.

But that field was not necessarily include customer support / service skills. Even if some were thrust into that position.

They are the brains behind various operations / projects, those people in other bigger business' would not be public facing.
In the Bitcoin community it is more common place for projects regardless of size or complexity to be run by 1 or even a small handful of people.
So the option of hiding behind a layer of CS people is not an option for them.

Some have become bitter from years of abuse from too much direct informal contact with customers with unreasonable requests, blaming them directly for things etc, regardless if it was their fault or not. I'm not defending them, but usually as a company or project grows, the techs front facing duties are limited and customer support is handed off to someone better suited for the task and they are only consult when needed.
In the above mention names, this has not happened, so they've become like many who get abuse hurled at them too long... the effects are worse in some more than others.

Customer support is not that hard when you actually on sell things that you possess or are capable of delivering.   Look at FriedCat's blade auctions.   Think he is hassled by "all these unreasonable" customers you speak of?   No he is not because he does what he says.    People are "unreasonable" because Josh/Avalon/pirate etc. all promise things they cannot do, and then ignore or attach the people that point out the inconvenient truth.

[nwbitcoin]

Techies are not people people - in fact most of them having problems dealing with themselves!

What the OP is describing is customer service which is the skill of diplomacy in the face of stupidity or greed.

For me, I like dealing with people to a point, but the trick is always maintaining a level of expectation that is acceptable to all involved.

The moment you lose that - well, you end up with what we have with bitcoin.

Techies who love what they do, but don't like to answer to people who are trying to steer them away from their hobby.
People who just want to become rich for no effort, but feel they have a perfect right to get others to do their work for them.

[Minor Miner]

Techies are not people people - in fact most of them having problems dealing with themselves!

What the OP is describing is customer service which is the skill of diplomacy in the face of stupidity or greed.

For me, I like dealing with people to a point, but the trick is always maintaining a level of expectation that is acceptable to all involved.

The moment you lose that - well, you end up with what we have with bitcoin.

Techies who love what they do, but don't like to answer to people who are trying to steer them away from their hobby.
People who just want to become rich for no effort, but feel they have a perfect right to get others to do their work for them.

And they are more than welcome to do that IF they do NOT take money from others.    If they want to tinker, do not take money and make promises.   Get off their own lazy asses, use their own money and then dictate terms to the market when they have brought a product they actually own to the market.

[Rassah]

I think the short answer is competition, or lack of it. Bitcoin is so new that barely any actual companies have started up around it, and in the small dozen or so big Bitcoin companies we have now, a few are scumbags who are yet unopposed. Once the number of companies increases, those who are still scumbags will get quickly drowned out and pushed out of the market by those who are not, since people just won't do business with scumbags.

[bonker]

Well looking at your posts 1/3 of them are filled with some vulgarity or profanity, so asking others to respond to you in kind ....

I agree, profainity gets right up my f*cking ass-crack!

bonker, you are a "hero" now, get a more appropriate avatar

Just noticed you'll be a Hero Member too in 15ish posts. Welcome to the club. Don't give in to the haters, start lobbying for your Hero status prize/reward now: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=191846.msg1988307#msg1988307

[Si Robertson]

Who said people were good to begin with?

[Lethn]

There are lots of people here and where there are lots of people there are always a few scumbags skulking around, I use the ignore function on them though and you'll find when you do everyone else is great.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

BFL Josh - no comments needed
Avalon- Batch #2 delayed for 2 weeks, no communication
Kano & Luke Jr - Josh three way triangle love fest, hatred for eachother

These companies and developers are the face of bitcoin and they are all assholes. I guess when bitcoin becomes a one world currency it will easily be accepted by the scumbags who run the world. They ignore customers, talk down to them, verbally abuse them, and fight amongst each other like children. Is bitcoin the movement of psychologically disturbed people?

Below is an email to a company where I bought an extended battery from, maybe these assholes can learn a thing or two:

Sorry to hear that!  Here’s how we are going to help...  We have always attempted to treat each of our customers like we would want to be treated, and in light of that I have done two things: FIRST, I have shipped you out a replacement item of:

 ITEM:   Hyperion Samsung Galaxy Note II  Titanium Grey Back Cover
 TRACKING #:  *****

 SECOND I have decided not to ask you to waste the time to ship back the defective item, and would ask that you just dispose of it when the working one arrives.

 Thanks and have a good day,
 Christine
 Hyperion EA

 --- Original message ---

 Hi,

 I ordered the extended note 2 battery and the back cover never really seated on the left side. Now it is completely loose only the right side is holding the cover on.

 Please send another thanks

If this was loser Josh, the customer would of been degraded with such comments as "Pics or GTFO" "Liar!" "Or profane filled words", hopefully when new companies and developers enter bitcoin due to it's popularity these losers will die out to the breed of an actual human being, and not the inferior species that they have proved themselves to be.

Let me see if I have this correct. It's because, somewhat, of the issues you duly pointed out that I have expressed concerns of KNCMiner, an entity of which you champion, and have kindly shone upon naysayers like myself with a bad light.

Apologies if I come across as a scumbag.

[pizza]

BFL Josh - no comments needed
Avalon- Batch #2 delayed for 2 weeks, no communication
Kano & Luke Jr - Josh three way triangle love fest, hatred for eachother

These companies and developers are the face of bitcoin and they are all assholes. I guess when bitcoin becomes a one world currency it will easily be accepted by the scumbags who run the world. They ignore customers, talk down to them, verbally abuse them, and fight amongst each other like children. Is bitcoin the movement of psychologically disturbed people?

Below is an email to a company where I bought an extended battery from, maybe these assholes can learn a thing or two:

Sorry to hear that!  Here’s how we are going to help...  We have always attempted to treat each of our customers like we would want to be treated, and in light of that I have done two things: FIRST, I have shipped you out a replacement item of:

 ITEM:   Hyperion Samsung Galaxy Note II  Titanium Grey Back Cover
 TRACKING #:  *****

 SECOND I have decided not to ask you to waste the time to ship back the defective item, and would ask that you just dispose of it when the working one arrives.

 Thanks and have a good day,
 Christine
 Hyperion EA

 --- Original message ---

 Hi,

 I ordered the extended note 2 battery and the back cover never really seated on the left side. Now it is completely loose only the right side is holding the cover on.

 Please send another thanks

If this was loser Josh, the customer would of been degraded with such comments as "Pics or GTFO" "Liar!" "Or profane filled words", hopefully when new companies and developers enter bitcoin due to it's popularity these losers will die out to the breed of an actual human being, and not the inferior species that they have proved themselves to be.

Let me see if I have this correct. It's because, somewhat, of the issues you duly pointed out that I have expressed concerns of KNCMiner, an entity of which you champion, and have kindly shone upon naysayers like myself with a bad light.

Apologies if I come across as a scumbag.

Huh? Lol this has nothing to do with you. What you do is actually great do it for every company, you are not one in the scumbag category.

[Lethos]

Many of the people you mention, have technically brilliant skills in their fields, Hardware & software engineers of some description or another.

But that field was not necessarily include customer support / service skills. Even if some were thrust into that position.

They are the brains behind various operations / projects, those people in other bigger business' would not be public facing.
In the Bitcoin community it is more common place for projects regardless of size or complexity to be run by 1 or even a small handful of people.
So the option of hiding behind a layer of CS people is not an option for them.

Some have become bitter from years of abuse from too much direct informal contact with customers with unreasonable requests, blaming them directly for things etc, regardless if it was their fault or not. I'm not defending them, but usually as a company or project grows, the techs front facing duties are limited and customer support is handed off to someone better suited for the task and they are only consult when needed.
In the above mention names, this has not happened, so they've become like many who get abuse hurled at them too long... the effects are worse in some more than others.

Customer support is not that hard when you actually on sell things that you possess or are capable of delivering.   Look at FriedCat's blade auctions.   Think he is hassled by "all these unreasonable" customers you speak of?   No he is not because he does what he says.    People are "unreasonable" because Josh/Avalon/pirate etc. all promise things they cannot do, and then ignore or attach the people that point out the inconvenient truth.

Of course customer support is easier when things are going smoothly, it's when things go badly that you see if you really got the skill to handle it or not.
Over promising is dangerous (even if it gets sales) and has gotten many in hot water and not everyone is suited to CS.
Friedcat is someone who shown to do a good job in this area, but he also appears to have a good team behind him.

That balance is needed and apparently not everyone on that list has a good balance of skills in their team.

[johnniewalker]

That's refreshing. As far as the BTC community, what can you expect from a group of people trying to make a quick $ (BTC)?

[Rassah]

That's refreshing. As far as the BTC community, what can you expect from a group of people trying to make a quick $ (BTC)?

Pot calling kettle black?

[Minor Miner]

That's refreshing. As far as the BTC community, what can you expect from a group of people trying to make a quick $ (BTC)?

Pot calling kettle black?

Curious since we argued earlier about it.   Has roman updated all the people he owes money too?   If so, do you have the link?
topical in this thread.

[Matthew N. Wright]

Never before in the history of mankind has it been so easy to send value from one person to another. That is the "greatness" of bitcoin. When the "greatness" of man catches up, there will be many less scumbags. Until then, it's apparently quite profitable to be the one scumbag in the ten sheep if just one of them falls for a ponzi, fraud, scam, bait and switch, non-escrow transaction or confidence trick.

Just think about all the scumbags there already were in the world, preying on innocent victims but still requiring names, addresses, complete bank account information, credit card numbers, expirations, CVV2, etc in order to rob them. Now all it takes is someone to press a single button based on "faith".

TL;DR? Easy money attracts scumbags.