Are altcoin price movements have some mathematical explanation?

[dossantosleite]

I am very interested in trading altcoins and have my learning process already, but many stuff is hard to understand yet.
For example, I saw many videos in youtube showing about charts,how they are moving, how to add and read support and resistance areas, how to use fibonacci retracement, how to use lines and other technical analysis. So my question is, if these technical analysis really help to determine the price movement?

What is your thoughts about it? How much these analysis help to determine price movements and how much it helps in trading and predicting prices?

[mobnepal]

Crypto market is completely different than usual forex market, those technical analysis may not be completely true in case of altcoin trading like in forex but it might help you to some extend. Hypes and Fuds have much larger effect on altcoin market.

[BitcoinHodler]

i don't think we can call what they do "mathematical".

technical analysis is mostly pseduscinece, and by no means fool proof. it mostly gives some guidance to better guess the future movement.

and in my personal opinion technical analysis won't work at all in altcoins and will work a little with bitcoin since bitcoin price is moving more logically and altcoins prices are mostly pump and dump.
but that doesn't mean TA is useless though. you can still use it and get some good speculation out of it.

[nicolas1979]

I am sorry but not trust some kind like that, different opinion from me. Price movement is only because of supply, demand, and speculation. Price is always about number ( mathematic ) but when they moving nobody knows to where or until when, even mathematic can reach that. Mathematics can display price history and how to calculate where the price in the future, but always never same ( close yes same no ). If you have an ability in mathematic why not try to some research or strategy with real market altcoin?. I believe you will find your answer with that way. Thank you for your post.

[gentlemand]

Technical analysis is hopeless enough with Bitcoin, it completely goes out the window when it comes to alts. The only explanation anyone needs is that it'll pump when the people who control them want it to, and collapse when they feel like taking some profit.

[ultrloa]

Technical analysis is hopeless enough with Bitcoin, it completely goes out the window when it comes to alts. The only explanation anyone needs is that it'll pump when the people who control them want it to, and collapse when they feel like taking some profit.

Indeed and let simplier the thoughs on this since altcoins will pump if their are so many buys/buy orders will come to them and it will be dumped if majority of its trader selects to dump what they hold and it is proven that this matter really happens and sometimes the one who earn on it is those people who got more budget to spend on manipulating the market this matter is the same on bitcoin movements.

[dossantosleite]

Technical analysis is hopeless enough with Bitcoin, it completely goes out the window when it comes to alts. The only explanation anyone needs is that it'll pump when the people who control them want it to, and collapse when they feel like taking some profit.

So it's even not worth to learn and use? (technical analysis)

[gentlemand]

So it's even not worth to learn and use? (technical analysis)

If it makes you feel better then why not?

This is the place where it pops up most often - https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/

I'm not a big trader so couldn't tell you whether it's any good, but from my observations all the TA people do is move their lines around when the price moves unexpectedly and say they knew it was going to happen all along.

[dossantosleite]

So it's even not worth to learn and use? (technical analysis)

If it makes you feel better then why not?

This is the place where it pops up most often - https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/

I'm not a big trader so couldn't tell you whether it's any good, but from my observations all the TA people do is move their lines around when the price moves unexpectedly and say they knew it was going to happen all along.

I just want to make right steps without wasting time, energy and money.
But you doing trading of altcoins, right?

[gentlemand]

I just want to make right steps without wasting time, energy and money.
But you doing trading of altcoins, right?

Yes, but very, very small amounts. I don't bother with TA, I just presume anything on Poloniex will eventually pump and sit there until it does. I've never made a loss because they're utterly shameless and will literally pump anything. I don't know how long that can last though.

My preference is to get in on the ground floor with something new. There are enough coins being given away for free. If you buy in with small amounts when they're tiny then you might get lucky, if they fail it doesn't really matter.

[Ayiranorea]

The function of cryptocurrencies is purely on algorithmic programming. So it has got mathematical calculations in the trading purpose. None can make a exact prediction, because the system programming has the same base but will be modified based on the features added to it.

[dossantosleite]

I just want to make right steps without wasting time, energy and money.
But you doing trading of altcoins, right?

Yes, but very, very small amounts. I don't bother with TA, I just presume anything on Poloniex will eventually pump and sit there until it does. I've never made a loss because they're utterly shameless and will literally pump anything. I don't know how long that can last though.

My preference is to get in on the ground floor with something new. There are enough coins being given away for free. If you buy in with small amounts when they're tiny then you might get lucky, if they fail it doesn't really matter.

It's seems, that you just using other strategy to do trading, not choosing to do TA, but trying new coins and waiting for the big pump.
Every person chose how they do trading, what strategy and plan to follow.

I am very new to trading stuff, so it's very interested to know more about it and about all the strategies and trading plans/methods.

But I still believe that good and proper TA minimise the risk and maximise the chance of correct prediction.

[gentlemand]

It's seems, that you just using other strategy to do trading, not choosing to do TA, but trying new coins and waiting for the big pump.

Yes. It's far less hassle and all you have to do is wait. I don't think full time trading is good for anyone's mental health.

On r/bitcoinmarkets the trading obsessives often seem to crack eventually and walk away. One of the biggest sold everything at around $800 a few days before the price really started to rise.

So before you consider TA, how much control do you have over your own emotions? Will you be able to take profit at the right time? Will you know when to cut your losses?

Without that control everything else will be useless.

[carlfebz2]

Crypto market is completely different than usual forex market, those technical analysis may not be completely true in case of altcoin trading like in forex but it might help you to some extend. Hypes and Fuds have much larger effect on altcoin market.

This is really correct, technical analysis wont really matter on crypto trading because its different for forex trading.There are some things on crypto that cannot be determined on any technical tools which we do commonly used on forex it might work sometimes but I strongly believe they wont really be needed at all but still a good choice as using it as a tool specially on making some trendlines but for Fibonacci and other stuffs would be useless at all,honestly speaking.

[dossantosleite]

Crypto market is completely different than usual forex market, those technical analysis may not be completely true in case of altcoin trading like in forex but it might help you to some extend. Hypes and Fuds have much larger effect on altcoin market.

This is really correct, technical analysis wont really matter on crypto trading because its different for forex trading.There are some things on crypto that cannot be determined on any technical tools which we do commonly used on forex it might work sometimes but I strongly believe they wont really be needed at all but still a good choice as using it as a tool specially on making some trendlines but for Fibonacci and other stuffs would be useless at all,honestly speaking.

Thanks for your opinion. So if TA is useless for trading altcoins, what is useful and what to use in order to make predictions as accurate as possible ?
Also, do you do altcoin trading?

[BlackPanda]

Price movement in my opinion far from mathematical. Because everything moves up and down spontaneously.
Price movements are difficult to regulate because things can happen in a very short time.

[equator]

Crypto market is completely different than usual forex market, those technical analysis may not be completely true in case of altcoin trading like in forex but it might help you to some extend. Hypes and Fuds have much larger effect on altcoin market.

This is really correct, technical analysis wont really matter on crypto trading because its different for forex trading.There are some things on crypto that cannot be determined on any technical tools which we do commonly used on forex it might work sometimes but I strongly believe they wont really be needed at all but still a good choice as using it as a tool specially on making some trendlines but for Fibonacci and other stuffs would be useless at all,honestly speaking.

Thanks for your opinion. So if TA is useless for trading altcoins, what is useful and what to use in order to make predictions as accurate as possible ?
Also, do you do altcoin trading?

Their is no charts for any trading of altcoins, first you have to read the details about the altcoin projects and its propectus and what is their goal to create this coin, and then how the developers are working on this project. because in the starting they can show you big roadmap but when it comes to reality they will fail and then the coin will soon get dumped and developer just run away.

[AdolfinWolf]

Crypto market is completely different than usual forex market, those technical analysis may not be completely true in case of altcoin trading like in forex but it might help you to some extend. Hypes and Fuds have much larger effect on altcoin market.

This is really correct, technical analysis wont really matter on crypto trading because its different for forex trading.There are some things on crypto that cannot be determined on any technical tools which we do commonly used on forex it might work sometimes but I strongly believe they wont really be needed at all but still a good choice as using it as a tool specially on making some trendlines but for Fibonacci and other stuffs would be useless at all,honestly speaking.

Thanks for your opinion. So if TA is useless for trading altcoins, what is useful and what to use in order to make predictions as accurate as possible ?
Also, do you do altcoin trading?

Their is no charts for any trading of altcoins, first you have to read the details about the altcoin projects and its propectus and what is their goal to create this coin, and then how the developers are working on this project. because in the starting they can show you big roadmap but when it comes to reality they will fail and then the coin will soon get dumped and developer just run away.

No charts? Every exchange provides basic charts, and this site https://www.tradingview.com/ lets you create your own chart for most of the altcoins.

The site also provides charts from other people, and their thoughts. I wouldn't necessarily take their advice, but you can very much learn from it. This one for example, https://www.tradingview.com/chart/STRBTC/Ei6WtiOD-Stellar-Where-Have-We-Seen-This-Before/

And yes, i do think there is a technical aspect to altcoin trading, but it is pretty limited.

When looking at the volumes, comparing that to previous volumes and movements for example, to see if sell walls can be breached etcetera.

There's some good examples to see breakout points right here, http://imgur.com/a/EHuks

Ofcourse are these no longer relevant, but it is still a good example of how it could look like.

[espante]

Crypto market is completely different than usual forex market, those technical analysis may not be completely true in case of altcoin trading like in forex but it might help you to some extend. Hypes and Fuds have much larger effect on altcoin market.

The pump and dump mentality rains supreme because of the relatively low market capitalization of most alts and the never ending line of fools ready to follow dreaming to hit it big.

Crypto market is completely different than usual forex market, those technical analysis may not be completely true in case of altcoin trading like in forex but it might help you to some extend. Hypes and Fuds have much larger effect on altcoin market.

This is really correct, technical analysis wont really matter on crypto trading because its different for forex trading.There are some things on crypto that cannot be determined on any technical tools which we do commonly used on forex it might work sometimes but I strongly believe they wont really be needed at all but still a good choice as using it as a tool specially on making some trendlines but for Fibonacci and other stuffs would be useless at all,honestly speaking.

Thanks for your opinion. So if TA is useless for trading altcoins, what is useful and what to use in order to make predictions as accurate as possible ?
Also, do you do altcoin trading?

I do trade, generally going in for longer periods of times (several months) you can do good by understanding the fundamental side of the coin. Other than that its about reading the hype and fud that is peddled on this forum and the poloniex trollbox, and the relevant alt's slack for the most part.

[Ucy]

The function of cryptocurrencies is purely on algorithmic programming. So it has got mathematical calculations in the trading purpose. None can make a exact prediction, because the system programming has the same base but will be modified based on the features added to it.

Exactly.  Bot wouldn't be making correct predictions & trades if there were no mathematical calculations in trading. I assume the algorithm does lots of hard calculations before buying or selling