Hackers threaten to release stolen 'Pirates of the Caribbean 5'

[Lancusters]

I certainly do not support the actions of hackers, but I like the opportunity to watch a new film free. Manufacturers prey on our money, and hackers prey on their money. It is a war in which civilians do not suffer, but rather receives dividends.

No, it's not a war. Manufacturers make the product and some hackers steal from the manufacturers. You help steal if you torrent movies for free.

We do not help to steal. Yes, we do watch movies for free, but agree needs to be a complete idiot to be able to watch the movie for free and unsubscribe. I do not know these people are not downloading the torrent files. Many simply do not want to admit it.

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[Sithara007]

I certainly do not support the actions of hackers, but I like the opportunity to watch a new film free. Manufacturers prey on our money, and hackers prey on their money. It is a war in which civilians do not suffer, but rather receives dividends.

No, it's not a war. Manufacturers make the product and some hackers steal from the manufacturers. You help steal if you torrent movies for free.

The vast majority of the torrent downloads occur after the movie is removed from the theaters. And most of the leechers can't afford the Blu-Ray and DVD discs of the movie. So even if the torrent downloads are prevented, it is not going to help the producers.

[freedomno1]

I certainly do not support the actions of hackers, but I like the opportunity to watch a new film free. Manufacturers prey on our money, and hackers prey on their money. It is a war in which civilians do not suffer, but rather receives dividends.

No, it's not a war. Manufacturers make the product and some hackers steal from the manufacturers. You help steal if you torrent movies for free.

The vast majority of the torrent downloads occur after the movie is removed from the theaters. And most of the leechers can't afford the Blu-Ray and DVD discs of the movie. So even if the torrent downloads are prevented, it is not going to help the producers.

It does depend sometimes people don't want to pay for the DVD if they think it's not worth it to High-Res or Rent it in the physical form and just watch it online on lower res. It's why Blockbuster went the way of the dinosaur and other similar physical DVD locations. If people like it they may move towards the merchandise related to the movie but avoid the DVD's.
A pirates of the Caribbean blanket has utility and re usability ^^.
In fact if they added bonus items with DVD releases sales would rise.

[joebrook]

Releasing the movie early is going to hurt the earnings of the movie because people will not be that psyched to see it after watching it. But it will only harm their profits by a small margin.

[TheCoinGrabber]

How did they managed to get hold of the high-definition print? Check this:



The torrent links were taken down after a few hours, but many thousands had already downloaded the movie by then.

Arr it seems we be pirating now, a lot of people have certainly acquired the Booty.
That said I think it wasn't the authentic release yet still but the times have moved on....to Kodi when it's their its real ^^.
 (The truth guardian plays it one way reality is different ^^)
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/shortcuts/2017/may/17/message-to-pirates-of-the-caribbean-hackers-piracy-no-longer-pays

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One minute Hollywood are telling me not to watch pirate movies, the next they are encouraging me to go and see the latest Pirates of the Caribbean film.

Make your minds up.

The guardian article describes the situation pretty well.
Nowadays you pay 10$ per month and can watch/hear pretty much everything without limit.

The time for pirating music and movies is over.
The handful of people doing it are either kids with no money or they are doing it out of ideology.


Btw. Above user is totaly correct: digital piracy != stealing

I agree that pirates would probably not earn any money in countries where internet access is widespread. People can just download it on their devices without needing to buy a bootleg DVD.

This might still affect the quality of the films though. If bootleg was released before official theater release, it might also affect income. Even if happen after the theater release, this means the producer would be losing income since people won't be paying to watch it on digital.

I wonder if social pressure can be used against this. Like, people who watched at theater or paid for it on sites like Youtube would be getting something they can advertise to show that they are not pirates?

I certainly do not support the actions of hackers, but I like the opportunity to watch a new film free. Manufacturers prey on our money, and hackers prey on their money. It is a war in which civilians do not suffer, but rather receives dividends.

That a rather novel way of looking at it. Pirates still earn a lot here in my country were not everyone have internet access. They download the movie online and mass produce DVD for selling.

[JGoRed]

We do not help to steal. Yes, we do watch movies for free, but agree needs to be a complete idiot to be able to watch the movie for free and unsubscribe. I do not know these people are not downloading the torrent files. Many simply do not want to admit it.

Yes you do are, you are take something without paying for it. That's no less stealing than taking things off Walmart shelves without paying for it.

The vast majority of the torrent downloads occur after the movie is removed from the theaters. And most of the leechers can't afford the Blu-Ray and DVD discs of the movie. So even if the torrent downloads are prevented, it is not going to help the producers.

I'm sure that at least a good amount of people who pirate a movie would end up watching it legally if they didn't pirate it. It does hurt the companies. Also, being poor isn't an excuse to steal.

[JemmaColin]

We do not help to steal. Yes, we do watch movies for free, but agree needs to be a complete idiot to be able to watch the movie for free and unsubscribe. I do not know these people are not downloading the torrent files. Many simply do not want to admit it.

Yes you do are, you are take something without paying for it. That's no less stealing than taking things off Walmart shelves without paying for it.

The vast majority of the torrent downloads occur after the movie is removed from the theaters. And most of the leechers can't afford the Blu-Ray and DVD discs of the movie. So even if the torrent downloads are prevented, it is not going to help the producers.

I'm sure that at least a good amount of people who pirate a movie would end up watching it legally if they didn't pirate it. It does hurt the companies. Also, being poor isn't an excuse to steal.

And I am of the opinion that if they want to be treated normally and all their rights are respected, then it is necessary that every person is respected rights. How can I be honest and do not watch pirated copy movies if my country always violates my personal civil rights. How do they treat me like that and I treat everyone. Moreover, these big companies are already cashing in on people.

[aeternus]

We do not help to steal. Yes, we do watch movies for free, but agree needs to be a complete idiot to be able to watch the movie for free and unsubscribe. I do not know these people are not downloading the torrent files. Many simply do not want to admit it.

Yes you do are, you are take something without paying for it. That's no less stealing than taking things off Walmart shelves without paying for it.

The vast majority of the torrent downloads occur after the movie is removed from the theaters. And most of the leechers can't afford the Blu-Ray and DVD discs of the movie. So even if the torrent downloads are prevented, it is not going to help the producers.

I'm sure that at least a good amount of people who pirate a movie would end up watching it legally if they didn't pirate it. It does hurt the companies. Also, being poor isn't an excuse to steal.

Posting this once again since the point seems to be ignored.

I am not at all concerned about video piracy. I often use for myself, pirated software and watching pirated movies. It helps me to save my money which do not have. Maybe the copyright owners is easier to revise the price of the license to remove it was not profitable to open access to their products.

Don't try to justify stealing with lack of money. We aren't talking about food or other necessities here, but entertainment. What would you do if I came to your house and took your computer because it would help me save some money? Also you are not concerned with it because you haven't put time and money into a product that ends up being stolen. I have used torrents, not denying it, but at least I'm not trying to make up stupid explanations.

It is not stealing, it is piracy, stealing is to take something out of someone and by that act to deny ownership to the rightful owner, downloading a movie is piracy because you are only creating a copy of the material, both acts are wrong but they are not the same.

[otrkid70]

I could use a good movie to watch let them release it 

[crwth]

Releasing the movie early is going to hurt the earnings of the movie because people will not be that psyched to see it after watching it. But it will only harm their profits by a small margin.

This is true, there would be a lot of people who already saw it, it depends if they are real super fans of Pirates of the Caribbean, then they are going to watch it lots of times, maybe in 4D or Imax, something like that.

[Sithara007]

Releasing the movie early is going to hurt the earnings of the movie because people will not be that psyched to see it after watching it. But it will only harm their profits by a small margin.

This is true, there would be a lot of people who already saw it, it depends if they are real super fans of Pirates of the Caribbean, then they are going to watch it lots of times, maybe in 4D or Imax, something like that.

I am going to watch the movie in IMAX... I have already booked the tickets for tomorrow. But once the Blu-Ray print is available from the torrent, I am going to download that too.

[crwth]

Releasing the movie early is going to hurt the earnings of the movie because people will not be that psyched to see it after watching it. But it will only harm their profits by a small margin.

This is true, there would be a lot of people who already saw it, it depends if they are real super fans of Pirates of the Caribbean, then they are going to watch it lots of times, maybe in 4D or Imax, something like that.

I am going to watch the movie in IMAX... I have already booked the tickets for tomorrow. But once the Blu-Ray print is available from the torrent, I am going to download that too.

That's good for you, so you are a big fan of the Pirates movies? I hope you enjoy it, I'm planning to watch it too but I don't know if I would watch it alone or with some of my friends. There are a lot of people probably who watched it already.

[solbiere]

I could use a good movie to watch let them release it 

If it's a good movie you're hoping to see, look somewhere else I got convinced to go to the theater to watch this and now I have that feeling of getting scammed. In fact I'd much rather if someone just stole 12 bucks from my pocket than having to suffer through this two hour nightmare. Javier Bardem's CGI face gave me all sorts of terminal diseases.

[JGoRed]

Posting this once again since the point seems to be ignored.

It is not stealing, it is piracy, stealing is to take something out of someone and by that act to deny ownership to the rightful owner, downloading a movie is piracy because you are only creating a copy of the material, both acts are wrong but they are not the same.

You're getting a product without paying for it. The movie maker spend a ton of money producing the movies and need people to buy them; and every time you torrent a movie you take the product without paying for it, essentially "stealing" it.  If that's not stealing than what is?

[criptix]

Posting this once again since the point seems to be ignored.

It is not stealing, it is piracy, stealing is to take something out of someone and by that act to deny ownership to the rightful owner, downloading a movie is piracy because you are only creating a copy of the material, both acts are wrong but they are not the same.

You're getting a product without paying for it. The movie maker spend a ton of money producing the movies and need people to buy them; and every time you torrent a movie you take the product without paying for it, essentially "stealing" it.  If that's not stealing than what is?

You are coyping it (illegaly).
You steal a car,  fiat money, diamonds - all physical things.
But you do not steal digital things you can only copy it.

[JGoRed]

You are coyping it (illegaly).
You steal a car,  fiat money, diamonds - all physical things.
But you do not steal digital things you can only copy it.

Yes, but you're keeping the money you should be giving them in exchange for getting a copy of the movie (the same money they expected to get in return for all the money they spent making the movie). Your effectively stealing the money from them that you should have paid in exchange for the movie that you copied illegally.

[criptix]

You are coyping it (illegaly).
You steal a car,  fiat money, diamonds - all physical things.
But you do not steal digital things you can only copy it.

Yes, but you're keeping the money you should be giving them in exchange for getting a copy of the movie (the same money they expected to get in return for all the money they spent making the movie). Your effectively stealing the money from them that you should have paid in exchange for the movie that you copied illegally.

That is true that they dont profit from you. But you still neither steal money nor their movie.

[Spendulus]

You are coyping it (illegaly).
You steal a car,  fiat money, diamonds - all physical things.
But you do not steal digital things you can only copy it.

Yes, but you're keeping the money you should be giving them in exchange for getting a copy of the movie (the same money they expected to get in return for all the money they spent making the movie). Your effectively stealing the money from them that you should have paid in exchange for the movie that you copied illegally.

That is true that they dont profit from you. But you still neither steal money nor their movie.

Hollywood and the movie distribution business is on the decline, and that's not going to stop. The reason isn't theft and piracy, although sure they'd like to grab all of your money they can.

The reason is that with large 4k screens and streaming in their homes fewer and fewer people are going to bother going out to movies.

[freedomno1]

Goes back to a blast from the past since you two are debating the copy thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up863eQKGUI
Remastered (The medium changes but copying will always have a demand)

[Sithara007]

Releasing the movie early is going to hurt the earnings of the movie because people will not be that psyched to see it after watching it. But it will only harm their profits by a small margin.

This is true, there would be a lot of people who already saw it, it depends if they are real super fans of Pirates of the Caribbean, then they are going to watch it lots of times, maybe in 4D or Imax, something like that.

I am going to watch the movie in IMAX... I have already booked the tickets for tomorrow. But once the Blu-Ray print is available from the torrent, I am going to download that too.

That's good for you, so you are a big fan of the Pirates movies? I hope you enjoy it, I'm planning to watch it too but I don't know if I would watch it alone or with some of my friends. There are a lot of people probably who watched it already.

Watched it yesterday in IMAX. I am a big fan of the series, and the latest one was very exciting as well. For me, the DVD leak is of no concern. I wanted to watch the movie in a theater and so I ignored the torrents.