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May 20, 2017, 01:58:06 PM |
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Hi, is it possible to order somewhere Visa card than can be used in ATMs and filled with bitcoin but without giving away real name? I've seen couple of websites that offer Bitcoin cards, but not sure where you can give just any name instead of the one that you have in your ID?
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May 20, 2017, 02:04:35 PM |
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Most Bitcoin debit cards will allow a small amount of transfers without verification and then require it if you want to spend a lot. Cryptopay, for example, has separate limits for unverified accounts and verified accounts (verified ones are unlimited for most things I think). It's unlikely you'll find any cards with no verification at all unless their own company details are very shady.
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May 20, 2017, 02:18:21 PM |
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if it is somehow connected with fiat (depositing when buying BTC or withdrawing it from ATM) then it will ask for verification at some point. they can't go on using fiat without following the fiat rules. and if you want to use bitcoin then you don't need no cards. just use bitcoin directly. the fees of using these cards are unbelievable sometimes. (and here we have people complaining about bitcoin fees ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) )
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May 20, 2017, 02:37:34 PM |
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In my knowledge, You have made an agreement with the service to provide you VISA card and i think all of them will be required your identity.
To comply with international regulation such as KYC and AML. it has become the exchange responsibility with his costumer.
And it is not possible in my opinion.
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May 20, 2017, 02:48:15 PM |
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Visa card wouldn't allow it. If its going to be allowed, everyone will be jumping into is and use it to order products online and make business for everyone else and this will open doors to all users with illegal activities. This might not be approved. Visa Card always require identity and will take them all even your social security number. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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May 20, 2017, 02:50:10 PM |
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Unverified accounts on these services will have such high fees and such low limits that it eliminates the purpose of using Bitcoin altogether. Fiat cards would have dramatically lower fees and would be equally centralised since Bitcoin debit cards hold your funds for you as well.
I really don't see why you would want to do it. Just use a wallet and buy things that you can buy with Bitcoin with Bitcoin. What demand are merchants going to see for Bitcoin payments when from their perspective you're paying with fiat?
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May 20, 2017, 02:52:36 PM |
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Hi, is it possible to order somewhere Visa card than can be used in ATMs and filled with bitcoin but without giving away real name? I've seen couple of websites that offer Bitcoin cards, but not sure where you can give just any name instead of the one that you have in your ID?
I'm just speaking based on a perceived legal perspective, so take what I say with a grain of salt, but I do believe that due to some regulations and laws that exist for international finance you are required to provide your identity so that they can prevent and crack down on money laundering. Not exactly a great thing, especially when it comes to Bitcoin, but sadly something that has to be dealt with if we want to have the same conveniences.
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john312 (OP)
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May 20, 2017, 03:20:41 PM |
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I just thought it would be cool to have a carde with my nickname (which looks like a name) on it. No monthly fees would be appreciated but limits and security are no problems, not planning to stor much there.
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May 20, 2017, 03:25:54 PM Last edit: May 20, 2017, 03:42:59 PM by mindrust |
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I just thought it would be cool to have a carde with my nickname (which looks like a name) on it. No monthly fees would be appreciated but limits and security are no problems, not planning to stor much there.
Won't happen. Banks want to have total control over money. It doesn't matter if it is bitcoin or FIAT. If there is a bank, there will be a control mechanism. When there is a suspicious activity from a card, the goverment will ask questions. Banks have to answer those questions. If there is a situation where banks can't answer them, they'll get fucked. We are lucky they still allow unid cards for small amounts.
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May 20, 2017, 04:06:29 PM |
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Hi, is it possible to order somewhere Visa card than can be used in ATMs and filled with bitcoin but without giving away real name? I've seen couple of websites that offer Bitcoin cards, but not sure where you can give just any name instead of the one that you have in your ID?
If you really wants something like that, be sure to be prepared for restrictions on the level of activities you can carry out. Even exchange sites that are more or less national will create a platform for you to do so anonymously but be sure you don't get the same volume those who provide their details get. Not to talk of ATM which is acceptable virtually all over the world, then expect more than just some restrictions.
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May 20, 2017, 04:11:43 PM |
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Such services for bitcoin haven't created yet. There are few ATM service for bitcoin withdrawal in terms of fiat or bitcoin based on the value of the coin. In the past but.ac provided the debit cards to be used with limited access and limitations in usage as it's one among the wallet service provider.
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May 20, 2017, 04:18:35 PM |
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It is possible but not advisable. I say possible because you can really get away with it with the use of fake ids and other documents needed. I say not advisable because if they caught you submitting fake documents they may pull all strings available to know your identity specially if they suspect that you are part of a big group who are into money laundering.
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May 20, 2017, 04:27:04 PM |
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I don't think that companies like Visa or Master would allow that. They are binded with anty-money laundering and counter terrorist law so this could endanger the legitimate business they are running. And to use fake documents is also strongly against the law so I wouldn't advise to do that.
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May 20, 2017, 04:31:24 PM |
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What is the problem in disclosing your real name? If coins re not obtained as a part of some scam, what s the problem?
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May 20, 2017, 04:33:33 PM |
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There exist VISA card with no verification, but exchanger cut some 10% of BTC rate and amount of withdrawal is $1000
In other words. It is not worth it. You will keep semblance of anonymity while paying huge price for it. At this point it is clear standard payment processors are not compatible with anonymity, you want to be anonymous? Use cash. These services are advertised as 'No ID verification required' Debit Card Providers: https://cryptopay.me/bitcoin-debit-card and https://spectrocoin.com/But I didn't check thoroughly their offer. Maybe they ask less than 10%.
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May 20, 2017, 04:36:03 PM |
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You will need to provide your name when signing up for even an unverified card, I would imagine they would do a basic check before issuing a card but then I could be wrong.
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May 20, 2017, 04:55:50 PM |
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You will need to provide your name when signing
Here is required only a working SIM card for SMS, if You go unverified (without documents).
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john312 (OP)
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May 21, 2017, 07:36:45 AM |
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Thank you for all the replies! Just for the record, I have nothing illegal to hide, just thought it would be fun to have a card with custom name in the wallet.
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May 21, 2017, 07:52:30 AM |
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Hi, is it possible to order somewhere Visa card than can be used in ATMs and filled with bitcoin but without giving away real name? I've seen couple of websites that offer Bitcoin cards, but not sure where you can give just any name instead of the one that you have in your ID?
I think what you are looking for is non-existent. I know for a fact that Virtual Visa Cards exist but their only main function is to verify your paypal account without you giving away your own information, ATM withdrawals are a different thing it is a bank in which will always need your identity as they are the ones who can get into trouble in the government if someone is withdrawing money unanimously.
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May 21, 2017, 08:10:29 AM |
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Hi, is it possible to order somewhere Visa card than can be used in ATMs and filled with bitcoin but without giving away real name? I've seen couple of websites that offer Bitcoin cards, but not sure where you can give just any name instead of the one that you have in your ID?
I think what you are looking for is non-existent. I know for a fact that Virtual Visa Cards exist but their only main function is to verify your paypal account without you giving away your own information, ATM withdrawals are a different thing it is a bank in which will always need your identity as they are the ones who can get into trouble in the government if someone is withdrawing money unanimously. ATM withdrawal is still a possible thing even if the name on your card is just faked. As long as you have the money loaded onto the card, it's all will be fine, no that bullshit government will come and catch you. It's the same as exchanging your dollar to your local fiat, there's nothing wrong. And also, Virtual Cards exists not only to verify your PayPal account which actually just an additional feature, it can be used to pay everything which accepts debit card and of course have VISA logo.
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