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May 29, 2017, 11:48:45 AM
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Please make sure there's verified green mark, and check the asset id!!
Unique asset names are being tested on the testnet now, and will be released in the next mainnet update.

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May 29, 2017, 12:17:27 PM
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Yesterday , another people come to our discuss group said that he also bought fake coins. This time he bought fake wave coins.
He lost 15 bitcoins for it . OMG!!!


Really,this is decentralized,the people from waves team seems cannot do  anything with it,they should implement restriction from allowing to create  fake popular coins soon their site will have fake dogecoin fake ripple or whatever coin that newbies will think is a real coin.



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May 29, 2017, 02:25:58 PM
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Please make sure there's verified green mark, and check the asset id!!
Unique asset names are being tested on the testnet now, and will be released in the next mainnet update.

New members wouldn't know the difference between fake and real assets and I feel that it's better that Waves does check these asset names before letting users add their own. It creates a confusion when there are too many similar names on the exchange. Even main exchanges write the real coin name along with its ticker to avoid any confusion.

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May 29, 2017, 09:14:46 PM
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After I bought fake litecoins . I ask the support to help me to move the coins out.  It even took couple days for the support guy to figure out those coins are fake. How could a newie can tell which one is true in this case.
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May 30, 2017, 07:58:33 AM
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After I bought fake litecoins . I ask the support to help me to move the coins out.  It even took couple days for the support guy to figure out those coins are fake. How could a newie can tell which one is true in this case.

1. Theres a green tick beside approved assets
2. "Any way, we are well aware of this problem and in the future we will add a filtering of names for tokens creation + each user will be able to hide the spam assets"
3. what do you want? Also dumping your cash into something without a proper research is pretty askworthy .. imo such people should lose their money who think they can just get rich within seconds without even read up or check if the MEGA DEAL couldn't be true

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May 30, 2017, 08:07:34 AM
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1. Theres a green tick beside approved assets
Sigh. There were no ticks which is the point of his post. The Wave representative confirmed it, since they ‘did not support LTC officially’.

3. what do you want? Also dumping your cash into something without a proper research is pretty askworthy .. imo such people should lose their money who think they can just get rich within seconds without even read up or check if the MEGA DEAL couldn't be true
I imagine he would want his account unblocked and ideally a refund of what he has lost to the scammer (which I doubt will happen judging from what we have seen).
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May 30, 2017, 09:31:08 AM
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1. Theres a green tick beside approved assets
Sigh. There were no ticks which is the point of his post. The Wave representative confirmed it, since they ‘did not support LTC officially’.

3. what do you want? Also dumping your cash into something without a proper research is pretty askworthy .. imo such people should lose their money who think they can just get rich within seconds without even read up or check if the MEGA DEAL couldn't be true
I imagine he would want his account unblocked and ideally a refund of what he has lost to the scammer (which I doubt will happen judging from what we have seen).

and he tries to get this by posting a topic here in BCT rather than write to waves directly ..

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June 01, 2017, 01:46:19 AM
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I have already send my complain to wave directly , but it seemed like that they won't give me any compensation.
So I post it here , at least to keep someone else step into the trap again.
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June 01, 2017, 02:00:33 AM
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I have already send my complain to wave directly , but it seemed like that they won't give me any compensation.
So I post it here , at least to keep someone else step into the trap again.

Any problem  or issue about losing funds or coins that was ignored by the seller or a site should be posted here in the right format,you have done the right thing by reporting this,but it is also your responsibility to update us on the development of your issues.

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June 01, 2017, 12:23:20 PM
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User stupidity, true or not, he should not be responsible for a platform allowing scamming.

Support clearly told him they did not support LTC and to buy it from their platform(AKA fake coins because all have no green marks).

why in first place would any platform allow to to be scammed like this and do nothing?

Proof they are just a scamming platform is that they call user stupidity for being scammed while it is very obvious the platform is responsible for having fake / scamming currrency.

How much % you make out of the scam's with fake currency to allow them to run without problem and to call the scammed people stupid?
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June 01, 2017, 03:33:19 PM
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and he tries to get this by posting a topic here in BCT rather than write to waves directly ..
He did after which his account has got blocked.

Proof they are just a scamming platform is that they call user stupidity for being scammed while it is very obvious the platform is responsible for having fake / scamming currrency.
Even more concerning is that they have blocked OP’s account while putting him to blame. In this very thread, the Waves representative has attempted to divert the discussion by accusing OP of knowingly purchasing a scam coin yet he himself acknowledged there were no ticks or other indicators present in an earlier post.

Following Waves’ actions, I would not be surprised if they are involved with scamming users themselves.
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June 02, 2017, 01:15:40 AM
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To make things clear I post the conversation between me and wave support.
As you can see, at first I only bought a small amount fake coins, I asked them to help me to transfer it out.
Instead of telling me those are fake coins right away they spend couple hours to help me to transfer them out.
That made me believe  those are true coins and then I bought a big amount of it. Suffer big lost.
And after a week they start to tell me I should only buy those coins with the green tick.
My question is why they didn`t tell me at first hand . If they knew it`s fake why they didn`t tell me .
If they didn`t know that`s more rediculous even they cann`t find it out how could I find out it`s fake coins.
So either way I think they have some responsibility for my lost.
That`s why I complain to them and ask for compensation.

Conversation as below:

Need help to transfer coins.
 2 weeks ago via email •
Hi,
I got 200 litecoin in my account. I need transfer to my account. But I cann't send it from wavelite app.
Could you manually help me to send it to my address :  LTCMwd6UKxX8zT6F35NRor9N4kXrbEZ763
Thanks!

Support agent 2 weeks ago
Hello!
Please provide us with your Waves address.

2 weeks ago
Why you need my wave address? You gona transfer wave coins to me? I don't mind to get wave coin at market price. at this moment 1 litecoin worth 16.86 wave coin. You can just exchange my 200 litecoin into 3372 wave coin, and put it in my wavelite wallet. Address is:
3P5kvFVoCvx8vpdwnCnFbxi5n2b9FeSUm79
Thanks.


Support agent 2 weeks ago
Because I need to check your account before I will start a conversation =)
At the moment, Waves wallet does not support the withdrawal of a Litecoin directly into the Litecoin network. But you can trade them on the DEX platform, just open "Waves Decentralized Exchange" (see third tab on the top), and then buy eg Waves or withdraw your bitcoins.


2 weeks ago
I don`t get what is DEX platform? It's waveliteapp ?  And where is the third tab one the top to open " waves decentralzed exchange"?


Support agent 2 weeks ago
Quick guide
1. Choose a pair of assets you want to trade. Just start typing asset name, then pick the right one.
2. Take a look at orderbooks to get an understanding of the pair market.
3. Finally, fill the form and submit your order.


2 weeks ago
But there's no buying order at all. I cann't sell it here . That why I need transfer it to bittrex to sell it.
If I hold litecoin here and cann't trade it that make no sense at all.
2 weeks ago
You guys open a trading plat for trading . If I can't trade here at less you should let me transfer it to somewhere else I can trade it.

Support agent 2 weeks ago
You can put the "Ask" order or use the exchange - https://coinomat.com/#WLTC/LTC

2 weeks ago
Unfortunately that coinomat.com doesn't work. I can't transfer there. I still want you guys can transfer my litecoin to my bittrex account. I don't even mind you guys take some service fee for transfer.

Support agent 2 weeks ago
The site is working properly, please check it on your side. Try using a different browser.

2 weeks ago
But when I push the exchange button . It's just keep showing "Internal server error".
And how could they get my waves LTC? My litecoins still in my wave wallet.
Are they you guys business partner ? Could they directly ask you guys to send my litecoin to their acount ?

Support agent 2 weeks ago
Try to use VPN connection.

2 weeks ago
I`m in Canada. Which country`s VPN I need ?

Support agent 2 weeks ago
I'm in Russia, I just checked it via Russia and Germany vpns.

2 weeks ago
I try Germany and Russia both doesn't work.Still showing "internal serve error". Any other way I can transfer litecoin out or just exchange it? As long as don't stay in wavelite wallet doing nothing .

Support agent 2 weeks ago
Which browser do you use?

2 weeks ago
I just try IE. Firefox, Chrome. None of them worked.

Support agent 2 weeks ago
Please try with ZenMate vpn service - https://zenmate.com
About free trial - https://zenguard.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/203104902-Can-I-use-the-ZenMate-VPN-for-free-

2 weeks ago
That's what I'm using now. I try Russia/moscow and Germany.  No lucky. When you use coinomat what's show up after you push exchange button.
Why not you just control it for me if you can access it?
My litecoin address is : LTCMwd6UKxX8zT6F35NRor9N4kXrbEZ763
email : ******@hotmail.com .
I want to translate 480 litecoins .

Support agent 2 weeks ago
Tell me please, why did you buy LTC. We did not make any official announcements about the fact that the wave wallet supports the Lite Coin (I mean withdrawing to real LTC).
I have sent details to gateway administrators, and as soon as I receive additional information, I'll let you know about it in this ticket.

2 weeks ago
I just type lit into the coin choice table box in the WDE app . There some litecoin sell orders just show up . There're some how lower than marked price . I think that must be some body post long time ago and forgot to cancel it. So I bought it . Now I got lots of litecoins I need to cash them.

Support agent 2 weeks ago
You have not lost a coin. They are still stored in your wallet.
So, your request is still being processed by gateway administrators, please wait.

2 weeks ago
By the way I think you guys doing a big development for your apps now. Is that mean wavecoin price will going up?
I like to keep trading . I don't want those litecoin sitting there doing nothing. And besides you can see litecoin's price dropping lots yesterday. I'm afraid wait for couple days I gone lost lots from that. It's better to keep the profit now.
Any idea how long I still need to wait?

Support agent 2 weeks ago
Your request is still being processed by gateway administrators, please wait.

2 weeks ago
I don't know much about coins . what is gateway? They try to help me transfer my coin? Or they help you guys to open a litecoin exchange channel and then I can transfer by myself?

Support agent 2 weeks ago
All at once, the gateway team is working with coinomat/In Out BTC gateway/Indacoin txs.

2 weeks ago
Very good. Thanks. Do you got any idea how long it will take them to do it? I mean within  days or hours?

Support agent 1 weeks ago
Dear user. Let me explain to you one important detail. Waves platform officially supports only those crypto-currencies that are marked with a green tick. Earlier you came to us with the problem of the fact that you bought a lite coin, I told you that you:
"Tell me please, why did you buy LTC. We did not make any official announcements about the fact that the wave wallet supports the Lite Coin (I mean withdrawing to real LTC).
I have sent details to gateway administrators, and as soon as I receive additional information, I'll let you know about it in this ticket"
So I got a the confirmation that the waves platform never released an asset for lite coin and has nothing to do with it. In any case, this makes no sense. Why should we substitute ourselves? Why should we create an asset without an unofficial announcement? While all major currencies have official status (green tick). This makes no sense.
You came to us when you already bought and / or exchanged a fake coins.
So I said to you :
At the moment, Waves wallet does not support the withdrawal of a Litecoin directly into the Litecoin network. But you can trade them on the DEX platform, just open "Waves Decentralized Exchange" (see third tab on the top), and then buy eg Waves or withdraw your bitcoins.
So, I did an investigation and found that the waves platform does not have an officially supported lite coin asset.
As I said before, it makes no sense to lie to you or create a fake asset and do not talk about it, it just does not make sense.
We have nothing to hide and I can easily show any conversation with you If it will be necessary.

Support agent 1 week ago
Also I said:
"At the moment, Waves wallet does not support the withdrawal of a Litecoin directly into the Litecoin network. But you can trade them on the DEX platform, just open "Waves Decentralized Exchange" (see third tab on the top), and then buy eg Waves or withdraw your bitcoins".
"You can put the "Ask" order or use the exchange - https://coinomat.com/#WLTC/LTC"
Why did I say that? You came to us with a problem, I tried to help you.
Regarding - "or use the exchange - https://coinomat.com/#WLTC/LTC"
Later I have sent details to gateway administrators, and I got a the confirmation that the waves platform never released an asset for lite coin and has nothing to do with it. In any case, this makes no sense.

Support agent 1 week ago
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June 04, 2017, 06:50:27 PM
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I did not say that we will not solve this issue. In the future, we will add a filter for asset names, and fake assets will be excluded, but probably this will require a hard fork of the entire network.

At the moment, there are green labels and default (Bitcoin/USD/EUR) assets, also user not need to change the asset from bitcoin section in DEX platform.



Complete Lie, If your software tags then you can filter easily without hardfork. you just proved to me you are a scammer piece of shit.

Those that can't code might fall for this lie but the majority understand what I just pointed out.


BTW TLDR entire thread just up to this post and I'm staying away from this scam of an exchange.

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June 06, 2017, 02:19:35 AM
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Till now they still doing nothing . You still can see those fake coin show up at wavelite app.
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June 06, 2017, 03:18:17 AM
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Hi!
i came here reading the title, I am not an investor in waves but i heard in YouTube that waves token rose X3 in previous week, if the coin is rising and investors are getting benefit then how it is a scam?

If they want people to trust them they should get rid of those fake coins that are meant to deceive people into buying it,they should set up an advisory or at least a list of coins traded in their dex ,but so far had no problem with their dex because I monitor progress of the coin being traded in their dex.


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June 06, 2017, 10:45:51 PM
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The problem is the wavelite platform administrator knew people are selling fake coin. But they doing nothing to stop it.

My friend, it's DECENTRALIZED exchanger.  Due to it's working algorythm administrators can't do anything about such situations. I feel for your loss, but in next time you will be more patient about new technologies.

I don't understand people who crying "scam". Peoples, this is Satoshi idea in work. Decentralized platform. Only you responsible for your money.

BUT. It will be good to show what coins are and what are not. It's very simple to do, a little piece of programming code  Smiley

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August 01, 2017, 09:19:27 AM
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The problem is the wavelite platform administrator knew people are selling fake coin. But they doing nothing to stop it.

My friend, it's DECENTRALIZED exchanger.  Due to it's working algorythm administrators can't do anything about such situations. I feel for your loss, but in next time you will be more patient about new technologies.

I don't understand people who crying "scam". Peoples, this is Satoshi idea in work. Decentralized platform. Only you responsible for your money.

BUT. It will be good to show what coins are and what are not. It's very simple to do, a little piece of programming code  Smiley

Okay guys this exchange platform is VERY suspicious.

First I transfer bitcoin. I got .05 bitcoin. Then I want to buy waves and I need waves to do so. I want to deposit waves but it has to be through card. I noticed an address on top. I transfer waves that way. It worked.

Then I buy waves. Now I want to withdraw waves. Guess what? It's not implemented.

So I buy back bitcoin. Losing buy/sell difference.

Then I withdraw my bitcoin

TX ID: 3qWuqJ3u9bXNFnnXKAUqKFa5mePAHqPANwZFoYyaEj7V | TYPE: Outgoing Transfer | DATE: 8/1/2017 15:31:21 | SENDER ADDRESS: 3PQtRyFxte9hMechHF38z7UrNbEi3Cidw64 | TX AMOUNT: 0.04794651 Bitcoin | RECIPIENT ADDRESS: 3PFGuX41ShY9a8YtRVKdqq3AJNoWqWE1Bcu | TX FEE: 0.001 Waves | ATTACHMENT: KpeGntnBe5F1duoHbsw

What is this?

It's not bitcoin transaction id? How do I check if everything works properly? How do I withdraw waves? How do I withdraw or deposit any other currencies? The BTC should go to 1MDo5DJKHFLWixgZTvUcYKCfaaUx1yPGqn . It's not anywhere mentioned in the transaction id. I have no idea how do I verify if things go through.
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August 01, 2017, 03:51:47 PM
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This type of problem has always been on token platform, the problem was the friend did not check before making the purchase.
To insinuate that the platform that is performing this is necessary concrete evidence and not just a rage because it was made of idiot by an old tactic.

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August 05, 2017, 02:48:55 PM
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Perhaps not an outright scam but definitely a garbage site where you will lose out.

Waves is a broken and misleading platform.  At first glance you think there was some brains here to pull this off but the end user experience is a disgraceful disaster bordering on a scam. 

Scam #1 ,, you deposit BTC and you can't do anything, the platform suggest you got to faucet or a forum and beg for waves so you can make your first trade. you can't buy waves with your BTC because to buy waves you need waves.  bad start for a trader sending them to a facuet or forum.

Scam # 2 ,, no contact or support, they want you to post publicly about your problems on their forum with your address , what a dumb idea there goes privacy, one of the reason for using decentralized options is privacy. Second its a censored and moderated platform they control so you if you have a problem the public will never see it as they control this medium.

Scam # 3..  A BTC fee of .001 for a gateway fee..  Excuse me but after depositing BTC here and losing a percentage and then losing more of the scam waves token now I have to pay a gateway fee for using a blockchain to witdraw it and that equals almost $4 CDN . I pay that for 2 weeks of trading at a real site.

Scam $4 .. After being overcharged to buy the scam wave token the site still does not work and gives the error "Order not created"  ..  Now BTC is stuck, waves token is worthless and they suggest I go to a forum to talk about it.

 
The idea is pretty good but given how poorly #1 works you have to question the idiots behind this site.

Everything else is a dumb, untested, poorly designed and the warning signs are there for a disaster.

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Perhaps not an outright scam but definitely a garbage site where you will lose out.

Waves is a broken and misleading platform.  At first glance you think there was some brains here to pull this off but the end user experience is a disgraceful disaster bordering on a scam. 

Scam #1 ,, you deposit BTC and you can't do anything, the platform suggest you got to faucet or a forum and beg for waves so you can make your first trade. you can't buy waves with your BTC because to buy waves you need waves.  bad start for a trader sending them to a facuet or forum.

Scam # 2 ,, no contact or support, they want you to post publicly about your problems on their forum with your address , what a dumb idea there goes privacy, one of the reason for using decentralized options is privacy. Second its a censored and moderated platform they control so you if you have a problem the public will never see it as they control this medium.

Scam # 3..  A BTC fee of .001 for a gateway fee..  Excuse me but after depositing BTC here and losing a percentage and then losing more of the scam waves token now I have to pay a gateway fee for using a blockchain to witdraw it and that equals almost $4 CDN . I pay that for 2 weeks of trading at a real site.

Scam $4 .. After being overcharged to buy the scam wave token the site still does not work and gives the error "Order not created"  ..  Now BTC is stuck, waves token is worthless and they suggest I go to a forum to talk about it.

 
The idea is pretty good but given how poorly #1 works you have to question the idiots behind this site.

Everything else is a dumb, untested, poorly designed and the warning signs are there for a disaster.




Chill.  There is nothing scam about it.  All you need is .003 waves for the DEX trade fee.  And sending .001 wave fee is less than a penny, so I wouldn't be that upset about it. 

https://wavesmine.com/jumpstart   This will give you your free .003 waves to get started.  In the new update in a few weeks, this won't even be an issue anymore, plus the trading interface will have massive overhaul.  Community sections, messengers, polling, voting, and forums too.  And there is always support@wavesplatform.com if you have any questions. 
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