Manchester Explosion

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So... I guess in the second category we can also put the British/American/French soldiers currently dropping bombs in cities in Middle East?

Or does dropping bombs on civilians count as "warrior"?....

Depends.

I guess if the JIHADI COWARDS hide behind women and children shields in a firefight, and if they are ASSHOLES ENOUGH to store their bombs and make more in mosques, not many people are going to sympathize with them.

Are you seriously saying that the USA never intentionally bombed civilians or civilian infrastructure?

They even killed Reuters journalist and tried to keep that under the rug.

If you're referring to the Video of the Apache helicopter killing those men and journalist, he happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. There was no way they could identify him as a journalist all those men were armed.

Bullshit

You could clearly see unarmed civilians in the infrared video.

Here is an eli5 for our east european friend:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_12,_2007_Baghdad_airstrike

@spendulus

I know the rules of engagement. It still doesnt answer my question.
Do you seriously believe the US army never intentionally killed civilians?

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[otrkid70]

Well the civilians knew war was happening wtf are they doing hanging around armed men? Surely common sense would tell you they would be targeted.

They got what they deserved.

[iamTom123]

It is so sad to see a rich country like Britain being victimized by terrorism. This is just proving the fact that terrorism can be so hard to track and stop...we can only be for sure about it once the deed is done and has already killed and maimed many innocent people on its way. I must say that there could be a failure of intelligence here or that terrorists these days have already evolved so they can easily deceive those in the authority like the police and soldiers. All of these things can lead our society to close and be wary all the time.

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Well the civilians knew war was happening wtf are they doing hanging around armed men? Surely common sense would tell you they would be targeted.

They got what they deserved.

In The Independent on April 8, 2010, human rights activist Joan Smith asserts that the engagements were like a game to the helicopter crew. She writes that the co-pilot urged a dying, unarmed journalist to pick up a weapon as he tried to crawl to safety; and claims that the footage shows "... the Apache crew opening fire on civilians...".[42] When the crew were informed that a child had been injured by their attack, one initially responded, "Ah damn. Oh well", and a minute later continued, "Well, it's their fault for bringing kids into a battle".[42] Smith describes this reaction as inhuman. She draws parallels with soldiers who suffered post-traumatic stress disorder in earlier wars. She continues "... the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are inflicting huge psychological damage on combatants".[42] In refusing to recognise this, the US military fails both its own soldiers and their victims".[42] Command structures need to be in place to identify "combatants with serious psychological problems",[42] she concludes.

You should join the US military. They need more suckers like you.

[otrkid70]

What can i say Cowards that use Children as Human shields. The rats have been disposed of.

[Spendulus]

.....
So... I guess in the second category we can also put the British/American/French soldiers currently dropping bombs in cities in Middle East?

Or does dropping bombs on civilians count as "warrior"?....

Depends.

I guess if the JIHADI COWARDS hide behind women and children shields in a firefight, and if they are ASSHOLES ENOUGH to store their bombs and make more in mosques, not many people are going to sympathize with them.

Are you seriously saying that the USA never intentionally bombed civilians or civilian infrastructure?

They even killed Reuters journalist and tried to keep that under the rug.

If you're referring to the Video of the Apache helicopter killing those men and journalist, he happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. There was no way they could identify him as a journalist all those men were armed.

Bullshit

You could clearly see unarmed civilians in the infrared video.

Here is an eli5 for our east european friend:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_12,_2007_Baghdad_airstrike

@spendulus

I know the rules of engagement. It still doesnt answer my question.
Do you seriously believe the US army never intentionally killed civilians?

Please don't try to reframe the argument and use logical errors to make propaganda points. Your request is framed "never inten..." such that even just one case intentional by one soldier would, in your fantasy world, prove your point. Just like one bad cop makes them all bad, right?

That's not the real world and you know it.

[delgech]

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[Spendulus]

Well the civilians knew war was happening wtf are they doing hanging around armed men? Surely common sense would tell you they would be targeted.

They got what they deserved.

In The Independent on April 8, 2010, human rights activist Joan Smith asserts that the engagements were like a game to the helicopter crew. She writes that the co-pilot urged a dying, unarmed journalist to pick up a weapon as he tried to crawl to safety; and claims that the footage shows "... the Apache crew opening fire on civilians...".[42] When the crew were informed that a child had been injured by their attack, one initially responded, "Ah damn. Oh well", and a minute later continued, "Well, it's their fault for bringing kids into a battle".[42] Smith describes this reaction as inhuman. She draws parallels with soldiers who suffered post-traumatic stress disorder in earlier wars. She continues "... the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are inflicting huge psychological damage on combatants".[42] In refusing to recognise this, the US military fails both its own soldiers and their victims".[42] Command structures need to be in place to identify "combatants with serious psychological problems",[42] she concludes.

You should join the US military. They need more suckers like you.

Actually, your own reference, Joan Smith, has now recognized the need for military intervention.  She's changed her tune.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Smith
Although Smith was opposed to the 2003 Invasion of Iraq, disputing the false claims about the Saddam Hussein regime's possession of Weapon of mass destruction, she has taken a different view during the Syrian civil war. As a consequence of the Syrian refugee crisis,[4] and the 2013 Ghouta attacks using chemical weapons, she has called for military invention.[5]

How about you? Wake up, buddy.

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What can i say Cowards that use Children as Human shields. The rats have been disposed of.

The van was owned by a civilian who drove his kids away.
The guy he wanted to safe was the injured reuters journalist.


@Spendulus

1. So you believe US war crimes and collateral damage are unique situations and usually never happen in US american warfare?

2. What is the link between military intervention and bombing civilians or civilian infrastructure?
Or rather where did i say all military interventions are bad?
Im german so i know the world would look pretty different if the US didnt intervene in WW2.


Please answer this questions before i send you thousands of links about us warcrimes in the last  5 decades.
Im sorry but this game you are going to lose for sure.

[BitcoinSupremo]

There is no responsibility from the British Uk. Lone wolfs attacks cannot be prevented. I wonder what they gain by doing terror like this, except ruining other Muslims life in the Uk. Immigration laws should be tougher and tougher otherwise we will be overrun with immigrants and although I have nothing against immigrants, no one can assure us that they are all good people.

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So... I guess in the second category we can also put the British/American/French soldiers currently dropping bombs in cities in Middle East?

Or does dropping bombs on civilians count as "warrior"?....

Depends.

I guess if the JIHADI COWARDS hide behind women and children shields in a firefight, and if they are ASSHOLES ENOUGH to store their bombs and make more in mosques, not many people are going to sympathize with them.

Are you seriously saying that the USA never intentionally bombed civilians or civilian infrastructure?

They even killed Reuters journalist and tried to keep that under the rug.

Let you give you some of my logic because you know how good it is ..

They even killed Reuters journalist and tried to keep that under the rug. WRONG..
You will find it was the journalist themselves who jumped under their rugs..

Now for the last bit of logic ..

1400 years of Islamic wars America was not even invented ..


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Popcorn

There were 3 attacks. Watch the video it takes only like 40 mins.

Im not talking about the last 1400 years. Im talking about the last 50 years of US American warfare.

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Popcorn

There were 3 attacks. Watch the video it takes only like 40 mins.

Im not talking about the last 1400 years. Im talking about the last 50 years of US American warfare.

American bombs leveled Dresden.  I have not seen ONE terrorist attack done by an ethnic German.

You are one of the worse apologists I have seen on this forum.

You should join these a-holes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PsxXvsCoUc

Liars, liars pants on fire.

The problem is Islamism and Jihadism.  Get it through your skull.  Stop lying to yourself.

If you support Jihadism you are a despicable human being.  Period.

So what exactly do i lie about or apologize?

You seem to think i lie about us american war crimes/atrocities and apologise ISIS terror correct?

If yes i would say put your head out of your ass and use it to think about what i posted.


And btw. Never heard of the german RAF or NSU?
Also nazis were working for the west after ww2 and were involved in a lot of state sponsored terrorism against communism (see south america, europe, south asia).

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Popcorn

There were 3 attacks. Watch the video it takes only like 40 mins.

Im not talking about the last 1400 years. Im talking about the last 50 years of US American warfare.

American bombs leveled Dresden.  I have not seen ONE terrorist attack done by an ethnic German.

You are one of the worse apologists I have seen on this forum.

You should join these a-holes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PsxXvsCoUc

Liars, liars pants on fire.

The problem is Islamism and Jihadism.  Get it through your skull.  Stop lying to yourself.

If you support Jihadism you are a despicable human being.  Period.

So what exactly do i lie about or apologize?

You seem to think i lie about us american war crimes/atrocities and apologise ISIS terror correct?

If yes i would say put your head out of your ass and use it to think about what i posted.


And btw. Never heard of the german RAF or NSU?

You lie about why Islam is being advanced by Islamists.  You look for a scapegoat in the American foreign policy.

If you want to have an honest discussion about Islam, you need to acknowledge that Islamism and Jihadism are integral parts of Islam's ideology.

Don't give me this "Islam is a religion of peace", terrorist attacks are happening because of American foreign policy and Zionism.

You know it is a cop-out at best. It is a lie, a diversion from the real issues.

You cannot talk about Islam truthfully because that would expel you from all Western democratic countries, and ban you from the West forever.

So you need to lie about the real reasons why you guys want to live in democratic, free countries.

Islam = submit or die.  Very simple political system.  "You are with us or you die".

You know it.  All Muslims know it.  Unfortunately for Kuffars, not all of them know it.

But thanks to the Internet, your cat is out of the bag.

Germany had atleast 4-5 millions before the refugee crisis.
1-2 million immigrated in the 60's to us and we didnt integrate the first generations at all (your stone age muslims).

Why did the bombings and terror started just few years ago in the 2015's?
Why didnt they already started in the 60-70's if jihadism is an integral part of islam?

Your logic seems to be incorrect.


I dont look for a scape goat i just objectively look at the whole picture.
ISIS = terrorist = very bad people
Muslims != ISIS


I have muslim friends who went with me to school and college - i know what i am talking about.

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What?  Are ISIS members not Muslims?   You have lost your mind.

Do you know what Wahhabism and Salafism are?  Are they not Muslim?  WTF?  ROFL...

It is like saying Russian Orthodox Church or Westboro Baptist Church are not Christian. 

You are very confused about Islam.  You are either not Muslim, just brainwashed liberal snowflake, a confused convert, or you are a Muslim who is purposely lying to defend your religion.

So why arent their muslim bombings since 1960 in europe?
Why did bombings just started in the 2000's with 9/11?

ISIS is a terror organisation. Religion is just an excuse for them.
You dont want to tell me that the lord resistance army are christians too?

Wahabism and salafism are extremist views of islam - compare that to extremist christians who literally believe in the old testament.
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I agree with you though if you say that we have much more muslims beliving in that then christians beliving in the old testament.
But this i would say is caused by low education in the muslim nations.
They didnt went through enlightment like europe.
/edit end

Im sure im not the one losing his mind since i am still able to formulate arguments and having a proper discussion.

[Spendulus]

What can i say Cowards that use Children as Human shields. The rats have been disposed of.

The van was owned by a civilian who drove his kids away.
The guy he wanted to safe was the injured reuters journalist.


@Spendulus

1. So you believe US war crimes and collateral damage are unique situations and usually never happen in US american warfare?

2. What is the link between military intervention and bombing civilians or civilian infrastructure?
Or rather where did i say all military interventions are bad?
Im german so i know the world would look pretty different if the US didnt intervene in WW2.


Please answer this questions before i send you thousands of links about us warcrimes in the last  5 decades.
Im sorry but this game you are going to lose for sure.

So....

Is your last name Merkel or are you just trying to be as ridiculously stupid as she is?

[criptix]

What?  Are ISIS members not Muslims?   You have lost your mind.

Do you know what Wahhabism and Salafism are?  Are they not Muslim?  WTF?  ROFL...

It is like saying Russian Orthodox Church or Westboro Baptist Church are not Christian. 

You are very confused about Islam.  You are either not Muslim, just brainwashed liberal snowflake, a confused convert, or you are a Muslim who is purposely lying to defend your religion.

So why arent their muslim bombings since 1960 in europe?
Why did bombings just started in the 2000's with 9/11?

ISIS is a terror organisation. Religion is just an excuse for them.
You dont want to tell me that the lord resistance army are christians too?

Wahabism and salafism are extremist views of islam - compare that to extremist christians who literally believe in the old testament.

Im sure im not the one losing his mind since i am still able to formulate arguments and having a proper discussion.

In 1950 there were 349,051 (0.3% of the population) Muslims in Northwestern Europe.  In 1960, that population increased to 1,101,283 or (0.9% of the population), mainly Turkish economic immigration.

Before 1960, there were very few Islamists in Europe.  They were not organized, they were not even considered a minority.

Source:
http://www.ijesd.org/papers/29-D438.pdf

The document was prepared by a Muslim, btw.

Now they are more emboldened in their openness with regards to why they are there, the establishment of Sharia Law, their missionary (Islamists) work etc.
This draws more people into Jihadism, Zionist (Jewish and Christian) narrative is used to justify Islamism.

You are the prime example of a typical Islamist.

So economic migrants from turkey are no muslims? Especially the land living/farmer turks?
You are contradicting yourself.

In 1980 there around 1,8 million muslims alone from turkey living in germany.
That was around 2-3% of the population. And the number increased to 4% in 2006 (muslim turks only).
And it is fact that there exist huge turkish diasporas in germany.
No muslim terrorist bombings till 2 years ago.

Something is wrong with your narrative that muslim = terrorist = isis.

Do you realize that you think you own the sole truth?
You are much nearer to being an islamist extremist then i could ever be, oh dear.
Badecker has a point if he calls your out on atheist religion. You display the same traits in discussions about islam.

@spendulus

Much denial i see.

[craked5]

So why arent their muslim bombings since 1960 in europe?
Why did bombings just started in the 2000's with 9/11?

ISIS is a terror organisation. Religion is just an excuse for them.
You dont want to tell me that the lord resistance army are christians too?

Wahabism and salafism are extremist views of islam - compare that to extremist christians who literally believe in the old testament.
/edit
I agree with you though if you say that we have much more muslims beliving in that then christians beliving in the old testament.
But this i would say is caused by low education in the muslim nations.
They didnt went through enlightment like europe.
/edit end

Im sure im not the one losing his mind since i am still able to formulate arguments and having a proper discussion.

Hey Criptix I think it's impossible to use logic with those people

They're so sure about how right they are that when you point at the errors of their logic they just don't see it.
They're really close to the "terrorists" in fact, they have no logic or reasoning they're just fanatics.

And of course as every fanatic and religious scum they can't be convinced by logic.
The best way to prove it is how they immediately try to class you as a "stupid leftist that should just wake up and stop welcoming your migrants friends" even though you never said you were for immigration or that you were happy with it.

They've separated the world in 2 parts. Them and the ennemy. If you don't act like them and think like them you're an ennemy, that's all.

[Spendulus]

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...So why arent their muslim bombings since 1960 in europe?
Why did bombings just started in the 2000's with 9/11?

ISIS is a terror organisation. Religion is just an excuse for them.
You dont want to tell me that the lord resistance army are christians too?

Wahabism and salafism are extremist views of islam - compare that to extremist christians who literally believe in the old testament.

Im sure im not the one losing his mind since i am still able to formulate ....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism

Bombings did not start in the 2000 with 9/11. It's just that we have a convenient, world wide documentation of their frequency since then. An easy way to look at terrorist actions before then is to simply look at Yassir Arafat's 400 some terrorist actions, but there are many other ways.

Regarding this assertion of yours...
ISIS is a terror organisation. Religion is just an excuse for them.

Respectfully, you don't have the right to say that. You need to look at what they say. I'll take their opinion over yours as to what they are, thanks.

Finally and obviously, there are no comparables between ultra conservative Christians and Islamic terrorists. None. Zip. Nada. Nunca. NIchts.

Oh, and I'm half German.

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What?  Are ISIS members not Muslims?   You have lost your mind.

Do you know what Wahhabism and Salafism are?  Are they not Muslim?  WTF?  ROFL...

It is like saying Russian Orthodox Church or Westboro Baptist Church are not Christian. 

You are very confused about Islam.  You are either not Muslim, just brainwashed liberal snowflake, a confused convert, or you are a Muslim who is purposely lying to defend your religion.

So why arent their muslim bombings since 1960 in europe?
Why did bombings just started in the 2000's with 9/11?

ISIS is a terror organisation. Religion is just an excuse for them.
You dont want to tell me that the lord resistance army are christians too?

Wahabism and salafism are extremist views of islam - compare that to extremist christians who literally believe in the old testament.
/edit
I agree with you though if you say that we have much more muslims beliving in that then christians beliving in the old testament.
But this i would say is caused by low education in the muslim nations.
They didnt went through enlightment like europe.
/edit end

Im sure im not the one losing his mind since i am still able to formulate arguments and having a proper discussion.

Oh criptix i think you need some more of my good LOGIC..
 
When Pan Am Flight 103 exploded over Lockerbie, Scotland on 21 ...
Location‎: ‎Lockerbie‎, Dumfries and Galloway, ...   Date‎: ‎21 December 1988
Blamed on‎: ‎Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed Al Megrahi   
Two Libyans have been identified as official suspects by Scottish and US prosecutors over the 1988 Lockerbie bombing in their investigation.

Many years before 9/11^^

So why arent their muslim bombings since 1960 in europe?..

Because never been so many cars on the road .
Because never been so much immigration .
Because never been so much money flowing around.

Now lets split them up if your wondering what's that got to do with anything.?

Because so many cars more OIL more OIL more wars..
Because of the wars they are letting people in   in way more numbers than ever before BASICALLY
free movement of people..
And many of these people can just about speak our lingo    many cannot even do that LIKE ME .
But many come in our lands and bring there own ways of life..

Now imagine this?..
10 homes 9 Germans live in 9 homes in a village and 1 muslim family live in the last home
the muslim family will integrate with the 9 Germans ..

Now imagine 5 muslims and 5 germans in the VILLAGE..YOU GOT A WAR ..They will want there way..

German Kids Beaten ( Migrants Attack Native Germans) - YouTube
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German Kids Beaten ( Migrants Attack Native Germans) ... Up next. Italian TV crew ATTACKED by MIGRANTS ...

Dutch don't do much islam WAR..

A DUTCH KID IS BEATEN UP BY MUSLIM CHILDREN AND LOOSES ...
Video for german child getting beat up by refugees▶ 1:02
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7rbR4kUPYA


Now imagine your the only GERMAN left in your 10 home village the other 9 are muslims what will happen ?..

Primary school pupils were 'forced to recite Muslim Allahu Akbar ... With migrants now outnumbering native children in many German ... Such were the large number of calls from worried residents to the town's mayor Dr Sigrid Meierhofer ... out and all the young girls talked about their worries of the refugees.


Germany is facing a spike in migrant crime, including an epidemic of rapes and ... And please take Saxony and the Alternative for Germany (AfD) with you. ... to move her family out of the city because migrants were making her life ... more than one million mostly Muslim migrants to enter the country in 2015.

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BUT IT'S OK ..You keep inviting people with backward beliefs to wipe your own beliefs out..

They rape our children and the LAW says nothing..
They bomb our children and the law as a VIGIL ..

I don't know why we don't invite them into our homes and tuck them up in bed with a cup of tea .
I was going to say you can fuck my wife too BUT i think they want my children instead..