Terrorist siege in the Philippines.

[Come on!]

Coz they're stupid. They said they knew people involved in this, that they've been tracking those people's activities. And yet here we have the group staging a battle in that city. Sorta like authorities abroad whenever a terrorist attack happen. "The guy's been on our watchlist since [insert year here]". And yet they did nothing. Police and intelligence agencies that has allowed these to happen are just as guilty as the attackers. It's like they killed the victims with their own hands.

Can't blame the authorities for this mess. Philippines is a country of more than 100 million people, and it is not easy monitoring all of them. These foreign fighters might have somehow slipped through the net. Even in the European nations such as the Great Britain and France, terrorist attacks are now frequently occurring despite strict monitoring and surveillance.

Even a secured country can have a hole in it. That can make it not secured. I think there are a lot of ways to enter our country especially we are close to another country. This will be a great lesson for the military and navy of our country.

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[Malsetid]

Coz they're stupid. They said they knew people involved in this, that they've been tracking those people's activities. And yet here we have the group staging a battle in that city. Sorta like authorities abroad whenever a terrorist attack happen. "The guy's been on our watchlist since [insert year here]". And yet they did nothing. Police and intelligence agencies that has allowed these to happen are just as guilty as the attackers. It's like they killed the victims with their own hands.

Can't blame the authorities for this mess. Philippines is a country of more than 100 million people, and it is not easy monitoring all of them. These foreign fighters might have somehow slipped through the net. Even in the European nations such as the Great Britain and France, terrorist attacks are now frequently occurring despite strict monitoring and surveillance.

I agree. It's really difficult to focus on a single intelligence information especially if you got it from a couple of years back. Though there should have been precautions already and I think this could've been prevented. A lot of people are already suffering from what's going on and it seems that this debacle wouldn't be over quite soon despite the Philippine military saying that there are only a few terrorists remaining now.

[merchantofzeny]

Coz they're stupid. They said they knew people involved in this, that they've been tracking those people's activities. And yet here we have the group staging a battle in that city. Sorta like authorities abroad whenever a terrorist attack happen. "The guy's been on our watchlist since [insert year here]". And yet they did nothing. Police and intelligence agencies that has allowed these to happen are just as guilty as the attackers. It's like they killed the victims with their own hands.

Can't blame the authorities for this mess. Philippines is a country of more than 100 million people, and it is not easy monitoring all of them. These foreign fighters might have somehow slipped through the net. Even in the European nations such as the Great Britain and France, terrorist attacks are now frequently occurring despite strict monitoring and surveillance.

Even a secured country can have a hole in it. That can make it not secured. I think there are a lot of ways to enter our country especially we are close to another country. This will be a great lesson for the military and navy of our country.

They really need a thorough investigation to see if there were any lapses, like what the French did after the terror attack in Paris. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzSLtMp58XQ

If these people were indeed already regarded as "persons of interest" what did the police do to monitor them and how were they able to escape the radar? Have they uncovered the network? Have they already arrested these people, taking advantage of martial law there? These are questions that needed to be answered and the public must know.

[Sweetbtc]

Coz they're stupid. They said they knew people involved in this, that they've been tracking those people's activities. And yet here we have the group staging a battle in that city. Sorta like authorities abroad whenever a terrorist attack happen. "The guy's been on our watchlist since [insert year here]". And yet they did nothing. Police and intelligence agencies that has allowed these to happen are just as guilty as the attackers. It's like they killed the victims with their own hands.

Can't blame the authorities for this mess. Philippines is a country of more than 100 million people, and it is not easy monitoring all of them. These foreign fighters might have somehow slipped through the net. Even in the European nations such as the Great Britain and France, terrorist attacks are now frequently occurring despite strict monitoring and surveillance.

I agree. It's really difficult to focus on a single intelligence information especially if you got it from a couple of years back. Though there should have been precautions already and I think this could've been prevented. A lot of people are already suffering from what's going on and it seems that this debacle wouldn't be over quite soon despite the Philippine military saying that there are only a few terrorists remaining now.

Other than a mild alteration in the value of the currency of that country, where is the bearing that this has on Bitcoin and the crypto community. 

[Sweetbtc]

Yes, a butterfly in New York can make a tsunami in Japan, but that does not mean that the Japan news services are covering the butterfly activity news across the globe. 

[jonnybravo0411]

Yes, a butterfly in New York can make a tsunami in Japan, but that does not mean that the Japan news services are covering the butterfly activity news across the globe. 

If so take as a basis What is happening in each country, it seems to me that today there are no safe countries. It's like in the war, when people consider killed soldiers. And at the same time they understand that for example on the roads in traffic accidents people die much more for the whole day. Therefore, you need to approach everything with loyalty and with a different approach.

[Xester]

Yes, a butterfly in New York can make a tsunami in Japan, but that does not mean that the Japan news services are covering the butterfly activity news across the globe. 

If so take as a basis What is happening in each country, it seems to me that today there are no safe countries. It's like in the war, when people consider killed soldiers. And at the same time they understand that for example on the roads in traffic accidents people die much more for the whole day. Therefore, you need to approach everything with loyalty and with a different approach.

I like what you said.  Indeed there is no safe country but we cannot deny the fact that if a country is serious about developing safetiness with its people that country seems to have less accident, disaster, or terrorist siege.  Canada, Australia, and New Zealand for example have safer community rather than other cibilized countries.

[2girls]

Yes, a butterfly in New York can make a tsunami in Japan, but that does not mean that the Japan news services are covering the butterfly activity news across the globe. 

Why is there an inclusion of this in the forum in the first place.  The category was a default one that came with the forum software and the fact that people touch it is pretty funny.

[Sweetbtc]

Yes, a butterfly in New York can make a tsunami in Japan, but that does not mean that the Japan news services are covering the butterfly activity news across the globe. 

Why is there an inclusion of this in the forum in the first place.  The category was a default one that came with the forum software and the fact that people touch it is pretty funny.

Isn't Facebook the place for stuff like this and pictures of your breakfast and the fact that James Woods had gas last night at the Miley Cyrus awards and twerking banquet?

[darklus123]

As the day passes by the damage is getting bigger not just on the infrastructure, economics but most especially the emotional damage that the war causes to every civilian who are affected and it seems that this war is not yet closed to an end

[Sithara007]

As the day passes by the damage is getting bigger not just on the infrastructure, economics but most especially the emotional damage that the war causes to every civilian who are affected and it seems that this war is not yet closed to an end

No one wants war, with the exception of American defense corporations such as Raytheon and Boeing. But the Filipinos had no other choice when the Islamic state took over Marawi. What else they could have done? Sit back and watch Marawi becoming another Raqqa?

[ployfit]

What a trashy country, what a trashy president, what a trashy army, what a trashy control... Anyone having guns can prepare a massacre in these type of low profile country.

[Mometaskers]

Coz they're stupid. They said they knew people involved in this, that they've been tracking those people's activities. And yet here we have the group staging a battle in that city. Sorta like authorities abroad whenever a terrorist attack happen. "The guy's been on our watchlist since [insert year here]". And yet they did nothing. Police and intelligence agencies that has allowed these to happen are just as guilty as the attackers. It's like they killed the victims with their own hands.

Can't blame the authorities for this mess. Philippines is a country of more than 100 million people, and it is not easy monitoring all of them. These foreign fighters might have somehow slipped through the net. Even in the European nations such as the Great Britain and France, terrorist attacks are now frequently occurring despite strict monitoring and surveillance.

The point is they admitted they were "monitoring" people. I would have understood if they were caught of guard but no, even they said that the arms used by the terrorists were been being piled up way before the attack. Why didn't they move to arrest them right then and there?

Instead they allowed them to to fulfill their plans. For what, for them to be caught red-handed? At the cost of several soldiers and civilians?

[criptix]

Government already recaptured 90% of the city. The terrorists have bunkered in various mosques across the city, sniping at soldiers from their minarets and other projections. That's the only reason they are still alive. The air force has resumed strikes and there was an American plane seen patrolling the area. Once they get permission to drop bombs on the mosques, it will all be over.

Atleast pinoys are very funnny.
You can stop your 3rd world conspiracies about me having alts.
Which nationality i am is easy to deduct and widely known except you are a 3rd world pinoy with an avg. Iq of 80.

Whats the difference about europe and pinoy utopia?
We have isolated terrorist attacks from radicalised  2nd/3rd generation muslims that kill less people then a public bus per year.
In pinoy utopia the muslim population conquers whole states.

Be more delusional please.

Ps: be grateful i give you the opportunity to spam for money instead of selling shabu

It just one city in a medium-sized province. No need to exaggerate. Only reason they have not been eliminated yet is because they're hiding in mosques, which is off-limits for attacks, as is the standard in many countries.

Mostly the reason why terrorist siege is happening not just on the Philippines but also in some nations around the world because they are seeking for the attention of the national government about their personal claims and needs because of the poverty that is really obvious in many nations. But their way to caught the attention of the government is really wrong because they are sacrificing the innocent minds not just of those children but also the families that are involved in the vicinity where the terrorist siege is happening.

You are still claiming that poverty is the issue here? Marawi is not the poorest city in the Philippines. The inhabitants were relatively well off. So don't play games here. It was Islam which caused this siege, and not poverty.

It is actually the only highly urbanized city in the autonomous Muslim region. It's far from the hovels in other Muslim provinces.

Exaggrate?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moro_conflict

You don't have to lecture me about my country's own history. I know this.

That dont downplay the fact that the phillipines are a 3rd world shithole.

Is, it's still a single country. I know it's a shithole but there are far worse shithole around... like Zimbabwe or South Sudan. Not that I'm proud there are worse or that I'm happy for their misery put I also just have to point that out, same way you're accusing me of downplaying the situation here.

I can't help but wonder why you keep coming back to this thread just to diss at Filipinos when you also have other problems to worry about. Did you try to get a mail order bride but got rejected by the agency? Or did you visit here and got mugged or robbed? I suppose only bad experience or a bad case of ethnocentrism causes people to make such comments.

You're one of the few people here in the forum who I've seen regularly visit Pinoy-related threads just to call everyone an idiot.

Im sorry to hurt your feelings but this is not pinoyland where mr. Sucker duterte kills or jails everyone who says the truth.
Btw. I only call certain people idiots.
Saying that ph is a 3rd world shithole doesnt mean that every pinoy is a idiot.
And you are excusing now the state of PH because zimbabwe and somalia are even worst 3rd world shitholes?

You are a idiot.

Did you even read what I wrote honey? I was not making excuses, I merely pointed out that this third world shithole is still among the better shitholes, just to give you a perspective.

I was not hurt at all. I was not hurt at all, I just found your behavior baffling. And you don't have to bring the guy in here, no one's threatening your safety for all the things you've been saying.

The way you go around in this thread, you seem hell-bent on painting the situation in the country to be worse than it is, that's why I said you were exaggerating. And what response did I get? You sent me a wikipedia link and when I said I already know that, being that about my country, you replied with this ^^.

I know you hate third worlders here and it's quite easy to express that in the forum, you being anonymous. But maybe before going to bed, remember that a huge portion of humanity live in those countries and some of those people are already in your backyard.

There, a long reply. Hoping that made you a happy person, if you're the sort of guy that get a kick out this.

God you 70 iq pinoys always need someone to explain it to you 5 times.

You were clearly downplaying the situation in your home country wtf are you talking about?
The picture i linked clearly showed a ridiculous area under terrorist siege.

You even went so far to say that pinoyland is not the worst shithole of all the 3rd world countries lol.
That is just facepalm.

Im exaggerating? It seems you are just delusional about:
Martial law? Terrorist siege? Tbc resistance? Broken judical system (where the fuck do you have to in avg.
go 8 years to jail until you see a judge that checks your case Lol)?
/edit i forgot children soldiers

Dear, i dont (need to) hate 3rd worlders.
3rd world people are hating each other on their own.


Btw. Whats the link with hate and being anonymous? You cant be jailed for expressing your opinion like in duterte land

I was talking about just this particular incident which is restricted to a single city and then you included all the Islamist problems we've had in the past decades. Geez, maybe also mention the Commies and territorial spat with China, and us lying along the typhoon belt and the Pacific Ring of Fire, no? You even included tuberculosis which I believe you ranted about in a different thread as if this country is the only one that have that.   We all know about all these shit, yes even the child soldiers - Maute was not the first to use them, heck, even Commies do.

Doesn't sound like it. And you know it, anyone seeing your comments elsewhere do, they just don't reply to you coz you never accept you make any mistake and keep replying till they get tired of talking to you.

Read my first reply to you, the one in orange and ask yourself if that was worth all this.

first congratz that you managed to find out how BB-codes work.

second, it might be hard for your 80 iq to understand but i was talking mainly about two things:

1.) difference of europe and the phillipines

in the context of

2.) radical islam


this "terrorist siege in the Philippines" is the direct consequence of the century old muslim conflict in the PH.
all the things that i mentioned and didnt mentioned are deadly serious and are the reasons why the phillipines are a third world nation.

btw. sure all things eventually existed in history once.
but how the hell do you come to the conclusion that children soldiers arent that bad because commies had them too?  


ps:
if all the sig spammers would reply to me i would really be forced to use my ignore button
also hard to believe but there are still more then a handful intelligent people posting on this board

Sigh, just admit you exaggerated THIS incident, the one we are talking about on THIS thread. You kept insisting a whole "state" was overrun. When I corrected you, you went on to start pointing at articles and when I told you I know that, you then started accusing me of "downplaying" the WHOLE country's situation and then went on rattling about different stuff like tuberculosis.

I'm also getting tired talking to you and repeating everything. If you want to keep at it at this thread, you are free do so, just don't expect further replies from me. You can even even go ranting about tuberculosis again. We don't behead people for saying stuff here.  

No i wasnt. You seem to have some sort of brain damage or it just might be your iq of 80.

This is the original string of discussion which you quoted from:

Well at least Duterte finally had the balls to blame them for what happened to their city.

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/904084/duterte-warns-moros-against-joining-fighting-in-marawi?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#link_time=1497017469

President Rodrigo Duterte warned “fellow Moro” against joining the fray in Marawi, where government troops had been battling it out with extremists holding portions of the city.

Duterte told them to get out of the way and leave Marawi, adding that they would always be welcome in his home city of Davao.

“My warning to my fellow Moro: Do not, do not attempt to play here. If you don’t want to get in trouble, get of the way,” he said in a speech before soldiers of the 1st Mechanized Infantry Division in Sultan Kudarat.

“Do not join in because we would just end up killing each other – we of the same blood – and I don’t want that,” he added.

He made the statement after chiding Maranaos once more for letting the Islamic State into Marawi.

He also disclosed that he had talked over the phone with one of the persons ordered arrested in connection with Marawi siege, whom he identified as “Solitario.”

Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana issued Arrest Order No. 2 on Omar Solitario Ali, a former mayor of Marawi.

Ali is the brother of former Marawi Mayor Fahad Salic, who is married to a cousin of Omar and Abdullah Maute, who lead one of the extremists groups staging a rebellion in Marawi.

Salic has been nabbed for rebellion.

An Inquirer report also identified Ali as the government emissary who tried to stage a dialogue with the Maute Group to spare the city from destruction and secure the release of a Catholic priest taken hostage.

The attempt was unsuccessful.

“Solitario called me up,” Duterte said. “Son of a bitch, what’s up with you? Are you a friend of the government or are we foes? I said: ‘Lorenzana wants you arrested. Son of a bitch, I will really have you killed’.”

He also told Solitario to talk with Secretary Jesus Dureza, presidential adviser on the peace process, but to make sure he wouldn’t show himself to government forces because he would really be nabbed and he might be killed.

If Solitario would be able to clear his name and show he had no hand in the Marawi incident, that would be the only time he would talk to him, the President said.

Earlier on Friday, Undersecretary Ernesto Abella, presidential spokesperson, said that, when Duterte lamented that the Maranaos allowed the entry of IS, he was not assigning “blanket blame.”

“I would assume that what he’s referring to are basically the sympathizers, the actual sympathizers who would be that. But it’s not a blanket blame,” Abella said.

It is really puzzling how pinoys do exaggerate and make fun of the situation in europe while entire states in the phillipines are under terrorist control without refugees Roll Eyes

The situation in the Philippines is much better than that in the European Union. In the EU, it is extremely difficult to prosecute the Islamist terrorists, due to the presence of the human rights lobby. Even suspected ISIS members were freed from jail, as the crimes were committed outside the EU. But in Philippines, they crack down upon the militants like anything.

The situation is really different here. We don't accept refugees here. Unlike the EU who open their gates for millions of refugees. Muslim is predominantly is the South only. And they stage it in Marawi which is very far from Metro Manila. So please stop comparing the two. The father of the suspected Maute brothers was caught during the check point. And also the military has found millions of pesos left by the group. So it was really funded very well and the video of the terrorist planning it was floating as well in the social media and they have been all identified. I'm confident that the President can contained the situation in Marawi and will not spread out in other places.

I dont know where you pinoys have your infos from but there arent ISIS member freed from prison because they commited crimes outside the EU. That statement is just crazy and a lie.
We know that the education in the phillipines is garbage because you are just a 3rd world nation but in the age of the Internet you really never heard of something like the International Court of Justice or the European Court of Human Rights?
That are the places where for example warcrimes and crimes against humanity are prosecuted and it is located - what a surprise - in Europe


The problem in the phillipines is much worst.
We europeans let muslim refugees in and they will some day go home by themself or by other means if they dont integrate.
The muslim pinoys are homegrown. No refugees, no deportations, no going home.
3rd world eduacation + muslim = pinoyland

Will go home on their own? Even before this mess Europe already have a large Muslim population they naturalized. Majority of the terrorist attack in Europe are made by 2nd and 3rd generation Muslim immigrants, so yeah, they can't be deported. They're basically enemies with a foot in the door. You're not fooling any Filipino in here.

Considering how time and time again you've shown bias against Filipinos, I'm going to look at this latest comment of yours as mere noise and will stop quoting you. Heck, I remember asking you if you what your nationality is in another thread when you said most people in bitcointalk just want to be welfare leech in Europe when they mentioned they want to travel there and you won't even answer. At least we Filipinos don't try to misrepresent ourselves here, we're Filipinos and we say it, no need to pose as another nationality.

And why are you arguing with people pointing out the wrong comparison in andikaputh24's comment. Was it because it's exactly the same comment you made before in this thread, as merchantofzeny pointed out?

Atleast pinoys are very funnny.
You can stop your 3rd world conspiracies about me having alts.
Which nationality i am is easy to deduct and widely known except you are a 3rd world pinoy with an avg. Iq of 80.

Whats the difference about europe and pinoy utopia?
We have isolated terrorist attacks from radicalised  2nd/3rd generation muslims that kill less people then a public bus per year.
In pinoy utopia the muslim population conquers whole states.

Be more delusional please.

Ps: be grateful i give you the opportunity to spam for money instead of selling shabu

Everything i said is on topic. 100%.
You are just too stupid to realize and understand.

Damn smart this 3rd world people.

[Sithara007]

The point is they admitted they were "monitoring" people. I would have understood if they were caught of guard but no, even they said that the arms used by the terrorists were been being piled up way before the attack. Why didn't they move to arrest them right then and there?

Instead they allowed them to to fulfill their plans. For what, for them to be caught red-handed? At the cost of several soldiers and civilians?

The security lapses should be analyzed, once the siege is over and the terrorists are either dead or behind bars. But even at this point of time, it will be foolish to blame the authorities. Terrorist attacks are extremely difficult to prevent.

[merchantofzeny]

Good news, seems ISIS are really losing ground in Iraq, even destroying the mosque from which they declared their caliphate. Guess what other region have terrorist groups itching to declare a caliphate in? Southeast Asia. Looks like these ISIS guys will now have a lusher place to go on a vacation to where they can also kill infidels at the same time.

[Kemarit]

Good news, seems ISIS are really losing ground in Iraq, even destroying the mosque from which they declared their caliphate. Guess what other region have terrorist groups itching to declare a caliphate in? Southeast Asia. Looks like these ISIS guys will now have a lusher place to go on a vacation to where they can also kill infidels at the same time.

But I don't think Asia will likely embrace ISIS. The Philippines is fighting terrorism like no other Southeast Asia country is. And I think ISIS will not succeed in the Asian region as well. We don't have a terrain that they can hide their asses off. They can do guerilla warfare, but that strategy alone won't be successful to establish caliphate. Although there are a lot of Muslim country around the region. They are not fundamentalist and radicalized as much as the Middle East so for me that can't and won't succeed in Southeast Asia.

[PanGiMoon]

Good news, seems ISIS are really losing ground in Iraq, even destroying the mosque from which they declared their caliphate. Guess what other region have terrorist groups itching to declare a caliphate in? Southeast Asia. Looks like these ISIS guys will now have a lusher place to go on a vacation to where they can also kill infidels at the same time.

But I don't think Asia will likely embrace ISIS. The Philippines is fighting terrorism like no other Southeast Asia country is. And I think ISIS will not succeed in the Asian region as well. We don't have a terrain that they can hide their asses off. They can do guerilla warfare, but that strategy alone won't be successful to establish caliphate. Although there are a lot of Muslim country around the region. They are not fundamentalist and radicalized as much as the Middle East so for me that can't and won't succeed in Southeast Asia.

I can not understand. What is the impact of ideas through your country on such a country as the Philippines? The fact is that the government should do everything to avoid some kind of excitement of the people or the appearance of criminal activities of different factions. As far as I know the Philippines is a very good resort and therefore all forces must rush to security in this country.

[Sithara007]

Good news, seems ISIS are really losing ground in Iraq, even destroying the mosque from which they declared their caliphate. Guess what other region have terrorist groups itching to declare a caliphate in? Southeast Asia. Looks like these ISIS guys will now have a lusher place to go on a vacation to where they can also kill infidels at the same time.

The have lost territory steadily for the past 12-13 months. They are about to lose two of the most important cities under their control (Raqqa and Mosul). But the question is what is going to be next, if the ISIS can be completely eliminated from Iraq/Syria. The Americans will never support Assad, so I don't foresee any end to the civil war.

[merchantofzeny]

Good news, seems ISIS are really losing ground in Iraq, even destroying the mosque from which they declared their caliphate. Guess what other region have terrorist groups itching to declare a caliphate in? Southeast Asia. Looks like these ISIS guys will now have a lusher place to go on a vacation to where they can also kill infidels at the same time.

But I don't think Asia will likely embrace ISIS. The Philippines is fighting terrorism like no other Southeast Asia country is. And I think ISIS will not succeed in the Asian region as well. We don't have a terrain that they can hide their asses off. They can do guerilla warfare, but that strategy alone won't be successful to establish caliphate. Although there are a lot of Muslim country around the region. They are not fundamentalist and radicalized as much as the Middle East so for me that can't and won't succeed in Southeast Asia.

There are plenty of these groups in Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia. They are all just waiting for the right moment. Some of these groups have called for a SE Asian caliphate decades before ISIS appeared in Iraq. Muslims from these countries went to Iraq and Syria to fight for ISIS and now they are all going to come back home.

And don't belittle their support from the grassroots. Just look at the Filipino Muslims cheering for Maute on FB. Their religious leaders has now surface almost a month after the conflict started, asking for tolerance, blah, blah, blah and and end to airstrikes and lifting of the martial  law. You bet they'd be singing a different tune had they actually won. Venomous sand snakes. 

Good news, seems ISIS are really losing ground in Iraq, even destroying the mosque from which they declared their caliphate. Guess what other region have terrorist groups itching to declare a caliphate in? Southeast Asia. Looks like these ISIS guys will now have a lusher place to go on a vacation to where they can also kill infidels at the same time.

The have lost territory steadily for the past 12-13 months. They are about to lose two of the most important cities under their control (Raqqa and Mosul). But the question is what is going to be next, if the ISIS can be completely eliminated from Iraq/Syria. The Americans will never support Assad, so I don't foresee any end to the civil war.

Yup, and now it's Australia that is worried that when the birds come to roost, there'll be trouble close to home.  http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/risks-to-indonesia-after-islamic-state-attack-in-philippines/news-story/7cfbb1edeb4f25a523ac1a15fb8b5816

After all, Indonesia is quickly Islamizing, though I suppose it would be harder to fully transform like what happened to formerly secular Turkey.