Is there a general pattern in the collapse of democracies?

[Masha Sha]

They all collpased... what can be learned?

Always the same money debasment, lost of trusts, idiocracy through easy life, appearance before substance? Denial of reality through narrative building until it collapses?

Would be nice to read roman (western and eastern) propaganda before collapse...

[scourgette]

Democracy isn't dead just yet and it isn't the reason for the downfall of the West. Savage liberalism and globalism are killing us, not democracy. There's still time to act, and if we return to the core principles of ancient Greek democracy we can survive and prosper once again. It will be tough though. Democracy the way it was invented would seem too harsh and maybe also militaristic to the generations poisoned by liberal propaganda.

[matrix zion]

They all collpased... what can be learned?

Always the same money debasment, lost of trusts, idiocracy through easy life, appearance before substance? Denial of reality through narrative building until it collapses?

Would be nice to read roman (western and eastern) propaganda before collapse...

Just for your information:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fbvquHSPJU

A video a bit long (1h40) talking EXACTLY ABOUT THAT. Best documentary I've watched for a long time.
The idea is that rise and falls of civilization are cycling and that Western civilization is coming to the last cycle before its dawn.

They also propose some solutions but they're the simple one you already know, you just don't want to apply them: stop bombing whole world, stop taking 95% of ressources, stop overproducing everything.

[ridery99]

Democracy isn't dead just yet and it isn't the reason for the downfall of the West. Savage liberalism and globalism are killing us, not democracy. There's still time to act, and if we return to the core principles of ancient Greek democracy we can survive and prosper once again. It will be tough though. Democracy the way it was invented would seem too harsh and maybe also militaristic to the generations poisoned by liberal propaganda.

But how can we return to that when there's people like Hillary Clinton, George Soros, Katy Perry and Lady Gaga?

[Masha Sha]

Democracy isn't dead just yet and it isn't the reason for the downfall of the West. Savage liberalism and globalism are killing us, not democracy. There's still time to act, and if we return to the core principles of ancient Greek democracy we can survive and prosper once again. It will be tough though. Democracy the way it was invented would seem too harsh and maybe also militaristic to the generations poisoned by liberal propaganda.

But how can we return to that when there's people like Hillary Clinton, George Soros, Katy Perry and Lady Gaga?

It's funny this cult about greek so called democracy... those people would have fitted perfectly in it.

Personally i think it's utopian leftism. Taking from someone unwilling is stealing even if only a cut is kept by the thieves and the rest given to some third parties.

Greek democracy was based on lies to protect the oligarchy and control the population growth.

If they build temples rather than shops... or if you see temples as a business .

All so called greek litterature are pyschological warfare pieces.

I see all this greek cult as a big scam.

[criptix]

So your advise is Chinese communism?

Please stop watching so much HongKong movies 

[BADecker]

People are waking up to the fact that Democracy isn't much freer than Communism... or kingship, or dictatorship, or oligarchy, or anything else.

People want freedom. A republic isn't much freer than a democracy... maybe even less.

[BADecker]

So your advise is Chinese communism?

Please stop watching so much HongKong movies 

No!

Local Government is jury rule, selected randomly and locally, for everything. No Government beyond local Government.

[Papski]

If its runned by humans then it will eventually collapse.

[endenada]

probably we will move pattern from push to pull ... politics is on push and providence on pull
of course, to do it we need intermediary pattern push-pull which is imminent and immanent
or better say: it is looming on a bright shining horizon of the future of our universal civilisation

[matrix zion]

So your advise is Chinese communism?

Please stop watching so much HongKong movies 

No!

Local Government is jury rule, selected randomly and locally, for everything. No Government beyond local Government.

So... Not saying it's a stupid idea but...

Ok then imagine you want to go to another country. You need a passeport right?
Who makes the passeport and decide how it works? You get one passeport for every "local government"?

[joebrook]

Democracy is highly flawed look at how leaders are chosen in the usa who claim to be the forefront of democracy in gee entire world, why aren't only the delegates be allowed to choose the leaders but rather the so called super delegates are also allowed.

[xebrox]

Like Winston Churchill(whom I dislike) said "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others" meaning that while it's flawed and shitty there aren't any better alternatives available at the moment. So we'll probably keep raping democracy in the foreseeable future and without realizing turn it into some distorted marxist-liberal version of itself, where we you're excluded from society if you're not transgendered.

[Lancusters]

Democracy isn't dead just yet and it isn't the reason for the downfall of the West. Savage liberalism and globalism are killing us, not democracy. There's still time to act, and if we return to the core principles of ancient Greek democracy we can survive and prosper once again. It will be tough though. Democracy the way it was invented would seem too harsh and maybe also militaristic to the generations poisoned by liberal propaganda.

But how can we return to that when there's people like Hillary Clinton, George Soros, Katy Perry and Lady Gaga?

It's funny this cult about greek so called democracy... those people would have fitted perfectly in it.

Personally i think it's utopian leftism. Taking from someone unwilling is stealing even if only a cut is kept by the thieves and the rest given to some third parties.

Greek democracy was based on lies to protect the oligarchy and control the population growth.

If they build temples rather than shops... or if you see temples as a business .

All so called greek litterature are pyschological warfare pieces.

I see all this greek cult as a big scam.

All that you have written a full description of democracy in Russia. Only what is happening in Russia has nothing to do with democracy. Before criticizing Western democracy you have to show an example of where better. Until you have no such examples all will aspire to the model that is in the West.

[Daniel91]

I don't think that democracy will collapse.
Why?
There is no real alternative to democracy.
Socialism, anarchism, dictatorship, communism...
No way!
So, even if democracy have many weak points, still it's much superior political system to any other in history.
Do you know that just 100 or 200 years ago most people didn't have health care, retirement, salary, freedom to travel, vacation time etc.and
Democracy really improved our lives and gave us right to freely choose our government
Don't forget it.

[coolcoinz]

I don't think that democracy will collapse.
Why?
There is no real alternative to democracy.
Socialism, anarchism, dictatorship, communism...
No way!
So, even if democracy have many weak points, still it's much superior political system to any other in history.
Do you know that just 100 or 200 years ago most people didn't have health care, retirement, salary, freedom to travel, vacation time etc.and
Democracy really improved our lives and gave us right to freely choose our government
Don't forget it.

Democracy may seem like a good system, until you realize that in every society there's more idiots than smart people. This means that if you give each of them equal votes the idiots will always win and push their agenda. Why would you allow yourself to be guided by the blind, when your vote doesn't matter?
Democracy, like any other system can be manipulated, because if you're able to fool the voters into giving you power, you can do whatever you wish until another election.

[darkangel11]

Democracy isn't dead just yet and it isn't the reason for the downfall of the West. Savage liberalism and globalism are killing us, not democracy. There's still time to act, and if we return to the core principles of ancient Greek democracy we can survive and prosper once again. It will be tough though. Democracy the way it was invented would seem too harsh and maybe also militaristic to the generations poisoned by liberal propaganda.

But how can we return to that when there's people like Hillary Clinton, George Soros, Katy Perry and Lady Gaga?

It's funny this cult about greek so called democracy... those people would have fitted perfectly in it.

Personally i think it's utopian leftism. Taking from someone unwilling is stealing even if only a cut is kept by the thieves and the rest given to some third parties.

Greek democracy was based on lies to protect the oligarchy and control the population growth.

If they build temples rather than shops... or if you see temples as a business .

All so called greek litterature are pyschological warfare pieces.

I see all this greek cult as a big scam.

All that you have written a full description of democracy in Russia. Only what is happening in Russia has nothing to do with democracy. Before criticizing Western democracy you have to show an example of where better. Until you have no such examples all will aspire to the model that is in the West.

There are more countries that failed at democracy.
It's not only Russia, take a look at the current situation in Turkey. They aren't having much democracy in there. And Ukraine?

I agree that it's much better than socialism and communism, but it's far from being perfect.