Trump Ramadan speech

[PeterTheGrape]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/president-trump-ramadan-statement-talk-terrorism-article-1.3198626

This year, the holiday begins as the world mourns the innocent victims of barbaric terrorist attacks in the United Kingdom and Egypt, acts of depravity that are directly contrary to the spirit of Ramadan.

Such acts only steel our resolve to defeat the terrorists and their perverted ideology.

Those of you who protest the 100 or so civilians we just killed in Mosul need to remember that the cost of terrorism is high. We may have to keep killing civilians at an ever higher rate, and you can be sure that if we kill enough civilians terror will become a thing of the past.

[fryger]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/president-trump-ramadan-statement-talk-terrorism-article-1.3198626
Those of you who protest the 100 or so civilians we just killed in Mosul need to remember that the cost of terrorism is high. We may have to keep killing civilians at an ever higher rate, and you can be sure that if we kill enough civilians terror will become a thing of the past.

Sorry, but I couldn't find that quote in the article. Are you sure Trump said that? Sounds way too extreme for a president to say, and also hypocritical especially considering they constantly attack Russia for supposed civilian casualties in Syria. Are you sure that's not fake news or something?

[PeterTheGrape]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/president-trump-ramadan-statement-talk-terrorism-article-1.3198626

This year, the holiday begins as the world mourns the innocent victims of barbaric terrorist attacks in the United Kingdom and Egypt, acts of depravity that are directly contrary to the spirit of Ramadan.

Such acts only steel our resolve to defeat the terrorists and their perverted ideology.

Those of you who protest the 100 or so civilians we just killed in Mosul need to remember that the cost of terrorism is high. We may have to keep killing civilians at an ever higher rate, and you can be sure that if we kill enough civilians terror will become a thing of the past.

Problem is that terrorism is a form of Jihadism. And Jihadism is required to advance the Islamist goals.

There are three distinct things at play here:

- Islam - religion (just like any other religion, belief in ancient nonsense)
- Islamism - desire to impose ANY version of Islam on others
- Jihadism - use of force to advance Islamism

When Muslims talk about Islam, bow five times a day to an imaginary friend and don't care what other people believe or think, they go about their own business never think twice about advancing or spreading Islam.
They really mean "Islam is a religion of peace" (to them it is).  Of course, they conveniently ignore Islamism and Jihadism.

Islamism and Jihadism should be banned.  Problem is that it is impossible to separate Islamism from Islam.

That is why this religion will have a really hard time to reform and eventually, it will fail.  The question is not if, but when.

All fine and good, but what about Christians and Jews? I'm Jewish but I notice things like are mentioned on http://ifamericaknew.org/ Are those things true? Or is it just Muslims that kill civilians and try to couch it as "defending their interests"? And do you think the Muslims who kill vast numbers of their own over "terrorism" are anti terrorist? Or are they terrorizing their people in the name of counterterror, sort of cryptoterroristicislamo deception just because they enjoy blood?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/president-trump-ramadan-statement-talk-terrorism-article-1.3198626
Those of you who protest the 100 or so civilians we just killed in Mosul need to remember that the cost of terrorism is high. We may have to keep killing civilians at an ever higher rate, and you can be sure that if we kill enough civilians terror will become a thing of the past.

Sorry, but I couldn't find that quote in the article. Are you sure Trump said that? Sounds way too extreme for a president to say, and also hypocritical especially considering they constantly attack Russia for supposed civilian casualties in Syria. Are you sure that's not fake news or something?

I'm sure. I don't believe in fake news. I don't think it is real.

[PeterTheGrape]

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Jihadists are not very selective who their enemy is.

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Agreed, but jihadists are only religious? The failure to adequately selectively target is a product of one specific religion?

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Remember most Jihadists are failures in life. Not very bright to begin with. Gullible and easy to manipulate.

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Agreed as well. Give them uniforms and badges and they will behave.

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Israel is in a very difficult position. Look at the map and demographics of the region.

Jews have been demonized because Muslims are just jeleaous, IMHO. Jews through hard work are in the top of pretty much every field in science and technology.  Where are Muslims? Looking for reasons of their demise....

Point being? If Jihadists, of whatever religion, can get the upper hand, then they are not jihadists anymore, they are "in a very difficult position"?

[PeterTheGrape]

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Israel is in a very difficult position. Look at the map and demographics of the region.

Jews have been demonized because Muslims are just jeleaous, IMHO. Jews through hard work are in the top of pretty much every field in science and technology.  Where are Muslims? Looking for reasons of their demise....

Point being? If Jihadists, of whatever religion, can get the upper hand, then they are not jihadists anymore, they are "in a very difficult position"?

The point is that you have a religion/culture that is thinking someone else is responsible for their problems.  It is easy to blame someone who is more successful than you, but it takes real soul searching,
self-criticism and some intelligence to understand the root cause of your predicament.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZZMXV_PRXk

Islamists cannot be reasoned with, Western politicians do not understand what they are dealing with:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vp_1JvRsCYE

That's a good point. The proverbial mushroom growing on a turd. You are saying people are responsible for those they kill? Then who is responsible for making sure the killers get killed? https://www.thoughtco.com/the-causes-of-terrorism-3209053

The bottom line is that you cannot kill so many killers that you will finally stop killing from happening.

The vast majority of 'terrorists' are either authentically trying to right some wrong, or they are manufactured by people who think like you, who imagine they have some higher vision and the lesser people in the world are their props.

You can use rhetoric to make simple people think you might be right, but you sound like you are even fooling yourself, and that is not good.

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I agree that there are terrorists who enjoy killing, and who use their declining skills to target innocents, but I don't believe those are the people you are trying to portray as terrorists.

[Sithara007]

Is it necessary for Trump to deliver a speech for Ramadan? Islam is not even followed by 1% of the population in the United States. So I don't think there is any need to do that.

[PeterTheGrape]

Is it necessary for Trump to deliver a speech for Ramadan? Islam is not even followed by 1% of the population in the United States. So I don't think there is any need to do that.

Maybe only 1%



but they are the 1% that matters to Donald

[Idrisu]

Is it necessary for Trump to deliver a speech for Ramadan? Islam is not even followed by 1% of the population in the United States. So I don't think there is any need to do that.

Donald Trump is a world leader and as that his comments is not limited to United states of American. I always pray for such leader because they decision or indecision affect the world. We must not condemn every movement or speech of our leaders. The speech was made to calm the tensions in the medium east.

[joebrook]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/president-trump-ramadan-statement-talk-terrorism-article-1.3198626

This year, the holiday begins as the world mourns the innocent victims of barbaric terrorist attacks in the United Kingdom and Egypt, acts of depravity that are directly contrary to the spirit of Ramadan.

Such acts only steel our resolve to defeat the terrorists and their perverted ideology.

Those of you who protest the 100 or so civilians we just killed in Mosul need to remember that the cost of terrorism is high. We may have to keep killing civilians at an ever higher rate, and you can be sure that if we kill enough civilians terror will become a thing of the past.

Trump seem to have a different massage to every crowd he speaks to, he makes speeches just to make the people present very happy that's why he won the presidency he makes sure he pleases the people he speaks to and doesn't seem to care when he contradicts himself with earlier speeches.

[graceinc]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/president-trump-ramadan-statement-talk-terrorism-article-1.3198626

This year, the holiday begins as the world mourns the innocent victims of barbaric terrorist attacks in the United Kingdom and Egypt, acts of depravity that are directly contrary to the spirit of Ramadan.

Such acts only steel our resolve to defeat the terrorists and their perverted ideology.

Those of you who protest the 100 or so civilians we just killed in Mosul need to remember that the cost of terrorism is high. We may have to keep killing civilians at an ever higher rate, and you can be sure that if we kill enough civilians terror will become a thing of the past.

Trump seem to have a different massage to every crowd he speaks to, he makes speeches just to make the people present very happy that's why he won the presidency he makes sure he pleases the people he speaks to and doesn't seem to care when he contradicts himself with earlier speeches.

Like he said in his presidential campaign or i guess when swearing in that islam is a big threat and then an altered statement on his visit to Saudi Arabia.

[matuson]

Is it necessary for Trump to deliver a speech for Ramadan? Islam is not even followed by 1% of the population in the United States. So I don't think there is any need to do that.

Now the world is very strong sentiments against Muslims. Any statement Trump can cause another scandal and will lead to an increase in the number of opponents Trump. Why did he have such a perspective. He's got a lot of problems. Trump need to be very careful and not to provoke scandals.

[craked5]

This year, the holiday begins as the world mourns the innocent victims of barbaric terrorist attacks in the United Kingdom and Egypt, acts of depravity that are directly contrary to the spirit of Ramadan.

Such acts only steel our resolve to defeat the terrorists and their perverted ideology.

Those of you who protest the 100 or so civilians we just killed in Mosul need to remember that the cost of terrorism is high. We may have to keep killing civilians at an ever higher rate, and you can be sure that if we kill enough civilians terror will become a thing of the past.

AHAHAHAHAHAH
Well I'm laughing but it's not really funny, it's as sad as it is stupid.

It's the American way of doing things:
If bombs didn't solve the problem, you haven't sent enough bombs

Maybe one day you will understand that bombs create terrorism not the other way around?

[Wa(t)ch_night()]

This year, the holiday begins as the world mourns the innocent victims of barbaric terrorist attacks in the United Kingdom and Egypt, acts of depravity that are directly contrary to the spirit of Ramadan.

Such acts only steel our resolve to defeat the terrorists and their perverted ideology.

Those of you who protest the 100 or so civilians we just killed in Mosul need to remember that the cost of terrorism is high. We may have to keep killing civilians at an ever higher rate, and you can be sure that if we kill enough civilians terror will become a thing of the past.

AHAHAHAHAHAH
Well I'm laughing but it's not really funny, it's as sad as it is stupid.

It's the American way of doing things:
If bombs didn't solve the problem, you haven't sent enough bombs

Maybe one day you will understand that bombs create terrorism not the other way around?

And really a very funny situation, or it would not hurt that Donald Trump officially recognized Ramadan as a national holiday. Maybe then, indeed, the problem of terrorism for the US will be solved.

[fikihafana]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/president-trump-ramadan-statement-talk-terrorism-article-1.3198626

This year, the holiday begins as the world mourns the innocent victims of barbaric terrorist attacks in the United Kingdom and Egypt, acts of depravity that are directly contrary to the spirit of Ramadan.

Such acts only steel our resolve to defeat the terrorists and their perverted ideology.

Those of you who protest the 100 or so civilians we just killed in Mosul need to remember that the cost of terrorism is high. We may have to keep killing civilians at an ever higher rate, and you can be sure that if we kill enough civilians terror will become a thing of the past.

Problem is that terrorism is a form of Jihadism. And Jihadism is required to advance the Islamist goals.

There are three distinct things at play here:

- Islam - religion (just like any other religion, belief in ancient nonsense)
- Islamism - desire to impose ANY version of Islam on others
- Jihadism - use of force to advance Islamism

When Muslims talk about Islam, bow five times a day to an imaginary friend and don't care what other people believe or think, they go about their own business never think twice about advancing or spreading Islam.
They really mean "Islam is a religion of peace" (to them it is).  Of course, they conveniently ignore Islamism and Jihadism.

Islamism and Jihadism should be banned.  Problem is that it is impossible to separate Islamism from Islam.

That is why this religion will have a really hard time to reform and eventually, it will fail.  The question is not if, but when.

The main problem is radical jihadism not islam or moeslems, radical muslims have short minded

Another way to do jihadism in good way
1. Help other people
2. Help your parrent
3. Be a teacher or master
4. Give free education to ppl
5. etc

And i dont know why short minded people/radical muslims use negative way to jihadism. I live in indonesia, where indonesia is biggest muslim country in the world, and 95% of muslim people in indonesia agree that jihad is not to create terror but to help each other

Most of muslim people in indonesia aware with radical muslim, they did bom terror in 25-May-2017 Kp. Melayu and hurt others muslim people. We hate it, we hate short minded people whatever their religion

[Spendulus]

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You have a problem in Islam.  Islam is really a political party, a manual on how to run 'Islamic government' or 'Islamic Corporation'.

Islamism is the political (Islam), legal (Sharia Law) and marketing (Taqiyya) department.  Jihadism is the military and the law enforcement.

You might disagree with Jihadism just like some people disagree with what police and military are doing in their own countries.  But as a Muslim, you cannot change it.

Islam is a political system.  Its goal is to enslave ALL people.  It is based on nonsense.

It seems to be the case that non Muslims understand the Islam problems better than Muslims. Part of that of course is purposeful lying by the Muslims (Takiyaa) but another part is the simple objectivity of an outsider.

[Sithara007]

Islam is a political system.  Its goal is to enslave ALL people.  It is based on nonsense.

Yes.... the real aim of Islam is the enslavement of all the human beings in this world. The sooner the non-Muslims realize this, that better. The non-Muslims must stop infighting, and unite against the common enemy.

[Chip-Dale]

Islam is a political system.  Its goal is to enslave ALL people.  It is based on nonsense.

Yes.... the real aim of Islam is the enslavement of all the human beings in this world. The sooner the non-Muslims realize this, that better. The non-Muslims must stop infighting, and unite against the common enemy.

In a sense, the common enemy for Islam is all mankind. I think so because most of the radical groups of Islam are aimed at fighting the infidels, and as is known to them, it's all those who do not share their views and do not belong to their religion.

[icerose]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/president-trump-ramadan-statement-talk-terrorism-article-1.3198626
Those of you who protest the 100 or so civilians we just killed in Mosul need to remember that the cost of terrorism is high. We may have to keep killing civilians at an ever higher rate, and you can be sure that if we kill enough civilians terror will become a thing of the past.

Sorry, but I couldn't find that quote in the article. Are you sure Trump said that? Sounds way too extreme for a president to say, and also hypocritical especially considering they constantly attack Russia for supposed civilian casualties in Syria. Are you sure that's not fake news or something?

I hate Trump as much as the next guy but I agree if he said that it would have been the biggest scandal even for him. I think fake.

[Xester]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/president-trump-ramadan-statement-talk-terrorism-article-1.3198626

This year, the holiday begins as the world mourns the innocent victims of barbaric terrorist attacks in the United Kingdom and Egypt, acts of depravity that are directly contrary to the spirit of Ramadan.

Such acts only steel our resolve to defeat the terrorists and their perverted ideology.

Those of you who protest the 100 or so civilians we just killed in Mosul need to remember that the cost of terrorism is high. We may have to keep killing civilians at an ever higher rate, and you can be sure that if we kill enough civilians terror will become a thing of the past.

Problem is that terrorism is a form of Jihadism. And Jihadism is required to advance the Islamist goals.

There are three distinct things at play here:

- Islam - religion (just like any other religion, belief in ancient nonsense)
- Islamism - desire to impose ANY version of Islam on others
- Jihadism - use of force to advance Islamism

When Muslims talk about Islam, bow five times a day to an imaginary friend and don't care what other people believe or think, they go about their own business never think twice about advancing or spreading Islam.
They really mean "Islam is a religion of peace" (to them it is).  Of course, they conveniently ignore Islamism and Jihadism.

Islamism and Jihadism should be banned.  Problem is that it is impossible to separate Islamism from Islam.

That is why this religion will have a really hard time to reform and eventually, it will fail.  The question is not if, but when.

All fine and good, but what about Christians and Jews? I'm Jewish but I notice things like are mentioned on http://ifamericaknew.org/ Are those things true? Or is it just Muslims that kill civilians and try to couch it as "defending their interests"? And do you think the Muslims who kill vast numbers of their own over "terrorism" are anti terrorist? Or are they terrorizing their people in the name of counterterror, sort of cryptoterroristicislamo deception just because they enjoy blood?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/president-trump-ramadan-statement-talk-terrorism-article-1.3198626
Those of you who protest the 100 or so civilians we just killed in Mosul need to remember that the cost of terrorism is high. We may have to keep killing civilians at an ever higher rate, and you can be sure that if we kill enough civilians terror will become a thing of the past.

Sorry, but I couldn't find that quote in the article. Are you sure Trump said that? Sounds way too extreme for a president to say, and also hypocritical especially considering they constantly attack Russia for supposed civilian casualties in Syria. Are you sure that's not fake news or something?

I'm sure. I don't believe in fake news. I don't think it is real.

Jihadists are not very selective who their enemy is.

It all depends on where they live and what their Islamist handlers decide.

Remember most Jihadists are failures in life. Not very bright to begin with. Gullible and easy to manipulate.

Israel is in a very difficult position. Look at the map and demographics of the region.

Jews have been demonized because Muslims are just jeleaous, IMHO. Jews through hard work are in the top of pretty much every field in science and technology.  Where are Muslims? Looking for reasons of their demise....

Jihadists are just victims of brainwashing. They are once the poor street kids without nothing to eat and they were adopted, fed and taught by the extreme jihadists since young. Those children become perfect weapons for suicide bombings. Jihadists are not consider to be a defender of Islam but just a terrorist who hunger for revenge, violence and war.

[Mometaskers]

If he really said this, I suppose it was a side-effect of his tremendously successful trip to Saudi Arabia.  Guess he can't help but suck up to Muslims now, not unlike the campaign when he solidified his hold on his supporters by addressing their quite legitimate fears. As we say in our country, politicians only know you during campaigns.

Islam is a political system.  Its goal is to enslave ALL people.  It is based on nonsense.

Yes.... the real aim of Islam is the enslavement of all the human beings in this world. The sooner the non-Muslims realize this, that better. The non-Muslims must stop infighting, and unite against the common enemy.

In a sense, the common enemy for Islam is all mankind. I think so because most of the radical groups of Islam are aimed at fighting the infidels, and as is known to them, it's all those who do not share their views and do not belong to their religion.

Islam has been at war since it's inception and started steamrolling stuff the moment Big M got a hold of an army. That the western Europeans managed to avoid total enslavement was in itself already an achievement (although it did came at the cost of the New World and others). Europeans have been living in peace for a long time that they forgot how it is to fight back.