Mark Zuckerberg: Free Money for Everyone

[BADecker]

good guy. It's about not letting the poor suffer .

Helping the poor is fine, but we shouldn't try to support them indefinitely. This kills the whole idea of help. When you see a beggar, you can buy him a meal or if you're really generous rent him a room, so he can clean himself and spend a night in a bed like he should, but you don't invite him to your home telling he can stay as long as he likes.
Welfare should exist, but only to give people a chance to start being independent and finding a way to support themselves.

Right!

Give a guy a fish and feed him for a day.
Teach a guy to fish and feed him for a lifetime.

The problem is that a lot of these welfare jokers like the welfare, and won't fish even when they know how. How can you tell? Just look at how many of them are fighting Trump... Trump who wants to bring jobs back to America. Those jokers would rather sit around on welfare than work to support themselves.

Get rid of welfare. Get rid of the banking system which is screwing us all with inflation. Make people work for a living, or starve.

[jubalix]

good guy. It's about not letting the poor suffer .

Helping the poor is fine, but we shouldn't try to support them indefinitely. This kills the whole idea of help. When you see a beggar, you can buy him a meal or if you're really generous rent him a room, so he can clean himself and spend a night in a bed like he should, but you don't invite him to your home telling he can stay as long as he likes.
Welfare should exist, but only to give people a chance to start being independent and finding a way to support themselves.

Right!


let me fix this for you
Give a guy a fish and feed him for a day.
Teach a guy to fish and feed him for a lifetime.

The problem is that a lot of these welfare jokers like the welfare, and won't fish even when they know how. How can you tell? Just look at how many of them are fighting Trump... Trump who wants to bring jobs back to America. Those jokers would rather sit around on welfare than work to support themselves.

Get rid of welfare. Get rid of the banking system which is screwing us all with inflation. Make people work for a living, or starve.

let me fix this for you
Give a guy a fish and feed him for a day.
Teach a guy to fish,
he gets arrested because he can not afford a license to fish
spend a lifetime in jail.

here's a hint, its all sold off, all land everywhere is owned, most human endeavors are stopped by prohibitive licencing, masquaraded as standards but really supporting monopolistic or rent seeking behavior.


The only sure way to make money is make it legal to counterfit, or issue your own USD denominated loans, eg be a bank. Then you can print USD / FIAT to oblivion, and guess what happens, the legions of do nothings, eg most of gov, teaching institutions, etc fall out of the system as they have nothing to exchange as value anymore.

Academic/Gov Policy Worker  (now a Taxfugee will be finished)

"Here is my research paper on feminism and social theory, give me a house, and food for that.

Farmer, trucker, construction worker, "NO", it has no value.

Dr, Engineer, Lawyer, I will heal, build, fight for you,

Farmer, trucker, construction worker, "Yes", you save my life, gave me electricity, protected my rights.

[BADecker]

good guy. It's about not letting the poor suffer .

Helping the poor is fine, but we shouldn't try to support them indefinitely. This kills the whole idea of help. When you see a beggar, you can buy him a meal or if you're really generous rent him a room, so he can clean himself and spend a night in a bed like he should, but you don't invite him to your home telling he can stay as long as he likes.
Welfare should exist, but only to give people a chance to start being independent and finding a way to support themselves.

Right!


let me fix this for you
Give a guy a fish and feed him for a day.
Teach a guy to fish and feed him for a lifetime.

The problem is that a lot of these welfare jokers like the welfare, and won't fish even when they know how. How can you tell? Just look at how many of them are fighting Trump... Trump who wants to bring jobs back to America. Those jokers would rather sit around on welfare than work to support themselves.

Get rid of welfare. Get rid of the banking system which is screwing us all with inflation. Make people work for a living, or starve.

let me fix this for you
Give a guy a fish and feed him for a day.
Teach a guy to fish,
he gets arrested because he can not afford a license to fish
spend a lifetime in jail.

here's a hint, its all sold off, all land everywhere is owned, most human endeavors are stopped by prohibitive licencing, masquaraded as standards but really supporting monopolistic or rent seeking behavior.

Let me fix this for you.


After they arrest him, they feed him well. And we support it through txes.


Here's a hint. Squat on Federal land. When they arrest you, sue the guy who arrests you, and his bond, for forcibly removing you from your land. Spend 6 hours and watch Karl Lentz at Johnson City - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN3MI70PFBw.

[GreenBits]

we do have social assistance nowadays, but Clinton killed the shit out welfare;

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/04/the-end-of-welfare-as-we-know-it/476322/

I regard Bill Clinton as a criminal, rapist and a pervert. But what he did with the welfare was the right thing. Read that article carefully. He formulated a new rule, which stated that individuals could not receive more than five years of welfare in their life time. Is there anything wrong with that? Welfare is a temporary measure. You can't expect the tax payers to fund you for the rest of your life.

in some cases, 5 years legitimately isnt enough. we are forgetting those that are sick, are caregivers because they cant afford healthcare for a non contributing household participants, or those that are unable to work because of extreme trauma and require psycholgical help. also, the job market isnt healthy across the entire US; there are some places where you can indeed land a job, but it will not be enough to live without government assistance. in fact, this is the case of a majority of Walmart employees in low income areas:

Walmart's low-wage workers cost U.S. taxpayers an estimated $6.2 billion in public assistance including food stamps, Medicaid and subsidized housing, according to a report published to coincide with Tax Day, April 15.

Americans for Tax Fairness, a coalition of 400 national and state-level progressive groups, made this estimate using data from a 2013 study by Democratic Staff of the U.S. Committee on Education and the Workforce.

"The study estimated the cost to Wisconsin’s taxpayers of Walmart’s low wages and benefits, which often force workers to rely on various public assistance programs," reads the report, available in full here.

"It found that a single Walmart Supercenter cost taxpayers between $904,542 and $1.75 million per year, or between $3,015 and $5,815 on average for each of 300 workers."

Americans for Tax Fairness then took the mid-point of that range ($4,415) and multiplied it by Walmart’s approximately 1.4 million workers to come up with an estimate of the overall taxpayers' bill for the Bentonville, Ark.-based big box giant's staffers.

The report provides a state-by-state breakdown of these figures, as well as some context on the other side of the coin: Walmart's huge share of the nationwide SNAP, or food stamp, market.

"Walmart told analysts last year that the company has captured 18 percent of the SNAP market," it reads. "Using that figure, we estimate that the company accounted for $13.5 billion out of $76 billion in food stamp sales in 2013."

18 percent of people on snap, work at Walmart   why are we allowing Walmart to avoid taxes, and underpay its workers so that we have to pick up the remainder with taxes?

why punish the people, when we can punish a corporation that doesnt pull its fair share? seems like the social policies/legislature in place have caused this problem, not the atttude of the people. I feel a similar way about the opiod epidemic; not so much that people are weak willed, its more that the pharma industry has been agressively marketing this shit to doctors, for bonuses, who in turn overprescribe it to citizens, for additional bonuses.

the shareholder will see us all crash and burn. and fuck communism, im a born and bred capitalist. but shareholders have more rights than citizens in this country, and this is an effect of that. it is illegal for a company not to act in the best interests of the shareholders. fuck the citizens, just the shareholders matter here. it shows

and we are forgetting about the disabled. disability is permanent once bestowed, and the amount of benefits they get is off the fucking chain. not really mad at that, they cant participate in society normally, and as a tax payer, I pay for a whole bunch of shit I dont agree with. its part of living in a democracy so I wont bitch about helping folks, when the other half of my tax dollars goes to killing folks in the name of national defense (the police, military). I even pay the guys that pull me over to give me tickets

and Daddy Clinton can eat a dick. to hell with the man (his actions brought shame upon the office as well), his policies are some of the most Rebuplican you will get from the 'left'. most liberals/moderates wont claim him, ideologically. you will have to look far for someone as motivated to degrade social welfare, and implement tougher policing policies in the name of public safety (these legislative objectives rest squarely in the Republican portfolio).

[Coffee135]

Poor people are scum always want rich people to donate moneys 

You are not right. There are poor people and beggars. Agree it is a completely different concept. A lot of poor people do not have the opportunity to make money. They don't want handouts and they need to learn to earn. To give alms not because it teaches people that you can not work and just ask and the money will be. I have high hopes that the poor people who want to work can earn bitcoins.

[jubalix]

good guy. It's about not letting the poor suffer .

Helping the poor is fine, but we shouldn't try to support them indefinitely. This kills the whole idea of help. When you see a beggar, you can buy him a meal or if you're really generous rent him a room, so he can clean himself and spend a night in a bed like he should, but you don't invite him to your home telling he can stay as long as he likes.
Welfare should exist, but only to give people a chance to start being independent and finding a way to support themselves.

Right!


let me fix this for you
Give a guy a fish and feed him for a day.
Teach a guy to fish and feed him for a lifetime.

The problem is that a lot of these welfare jokers like the welfare, and won't fish even when they know how. How can you tell? Just look at how many of them are fighting Trump... Trump who wants to bring jobs back to America. Those jokers would rather sit around on welfare than work to support themselves.

Get rid of welfare. Get rid of the banking system which is screwing us all with inflation. Make people work for a living, or starve.

let me fix this for you
Give a guy a fish and feed him for a day.
Teach a guy to fish,
he gets arrested because he can not afford a license to fish
spend a lifetime in jail.

here's a hint, its all sold off, all land everywhere is owned, most human endeavors are stopped by prohibitive licencing, masquaraded as standards but really supporting monopolistic or rent seeking behavior.

Let me fix this for you.


After they arrest him, they feed him well. And we support it through txes.


Here's a hint. Squat on Federal land. When they arrest you, sue the guy who arrests you, and his bond, for forcibly removing you from your land. Spend 6 hours and watch Karl Lentz at Johnson City - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN3MI70PFBw.

When the market is a real free market and I can print fiat or issue debt like a bank, thus sending its value to the true value, and umasking all the taxfugees in the gov, alot of academia and other miss alocations allowed by having monopolistic money printing/debt, then they won't even have the money to pay the police to arrest him or enforce so called federal land. Nor will he be able to get tax money, nor will the prison exist, he will have to actually do something of value, and all the others will be gone, probably making it easier for him to do something of value.

Don't get me wrong, fiat is a good idea to bring capital and labour together, but as it turns out or operates in practice it has resulted in huge systemic mis-allocations of value.

[Nalien]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with UBI. People who are not doing shit right now and just blindly consuming will still be doing so.

The real value in UBIs is the freedom it gives to people who really want to focus on their passion. These people will finally have the chance to chase what they care about, instead of having to chase paychecks for survival. This will ultimately benefit society as a whole, since some of them will go on to create great things.

[Sithara007]

The real value in UBIs is the freedom it gives to people who really want to focus on their passion. These people will finally have the chance to chase what they care about, instead of having to chase paychecks for survival. This will ultimately benefit society as a whole, since some of them will go on to create great things.

That is the problem. If my passion is for staying at home and having sex all day, then why the other tax payers subsidize my passion? This is never going to work. UBI, if implemented will wreck the economy.

[Nalien]

The real value in UBIs is the freedom it gives to people who really want to focus on their passion. These people will finally have the chance to chase what they care about, instead of having to chase paychecks for survival. This will ultimately benefit society as a whole, since some of them will go on to create great things.

That is the problem. If my passion is for staying at home and having sex all day, then why the other tax payers subsidize my passion? This is never going to work. UBI, if implemented will wreck the economy.

You need to understand that money is fucking worthless trash that the central bank simply shits out at will. Any "we can't afford it" claims are simply false and fail to take into account the real purpose and role of fiat currency. The only question is, whether or not there are enough resources (technology) around to sustain freeloaders. While I'm not sure if that point has already been reached, we are definitely very close.

If you take into account all the kids who are literally making insane fortunes off of uploading 5 second videos on Vine or w/e, it should be pretty clear that money isn't a problem. Or are they somehow different from the people who are just staying at home having sex all day in your book, because they are getting paid for doing fuck all?

[jubalix]

The real value in UBIs is the freedom it gives to people who really want to focus on their passion. These people will finally have the chance to chase what they care about, instead of having to chase paychecks for survival. This will ultimately benefit society as a whole, since some of them will go on to create great things.

That is the problem. If my passion is for staying at home and having sex all day, then why the other tax payers subsidize my passion? This is never going to work. UBI, if implemented will wreck the economy.

I would pay large segments of gov workers, they same they get now to stay at home all day, or at least not go to work as they would consume less, use up less and cause much much less allocations of value

[oberotek]

[Nalien]

The real value in UBIs is the freedom it gives to people who really want to focus on their passion. These people will finally have the chance to chase what they care about, instead of having to chase paychecks for survival. This will ultimately benefit society as a whole, since some of them will go on to create great things.

That is the problem. If my passion is for staying at home and having sex all day, then why the other tax payers subsidize my passion? This is never going to work. UBI, if implemented will wreck the economy.

I would pay large segments of gov workers, they same they get now to stay at home all day, or at least not go to work as they would consume less, use up less and cause much much less allocations of value

Lmao, I completely forgot to bring up the obscene amounts of tax money that is being wasted on government officials. Bureaucracy is stuck in the stone-age and so ridiculously inefficient that it's painful to watch. Everybody hates it, but the Government won't modernize because they would have to give the boot to the leeches.
I'd rather have them get 50% of their current salary for nothing while modernizing the system and saving the other 50% for more useful projects.

[Jafri101]

These are just statements that makes these people being discussed in society like we all are  doing. If he is so interested in such then why not providing easy jobs for everyone through facebook i mean there are multiple jobs like freelancing marketing advertising etc. If he do so then he wont be rich and wont be in top10 richest worldwide and then who will know him?? so these are just statements for discussion not for implementation.

[Vishnu.Reang]

These are just statements that makes these people being discussed in society like we all are  doing. If he is so interested in such then why not providing easy jobs for everyone through facebook i mean there are multiple jobs like freelancing marketing advertising etc. If he do so then he wont be rich and wont be in top10 richest worldwide and then who will know him?? so these are just statements for discussion not for implementation.

It is all talk and no action. I read a few days back that Zuckerberg is considering running for the post of POTUS somewhere in the 2030s or the 2040s. By making statements such as this one, he may be preparing for that.

[IadixDev]

Universal knowledge for everyone 

Facebook is not contributing that much to this :p

[Nalien]

These are just statements that makes these people being discussed in society like we all are  doing. If he is so interested in such then why not providing easy jobs for everyone through facebook i mean there are multiple jobs like freelancing marketing advertising etc. If he do so then he wont be rich and wont be in top10 richest worldwide and then who will know him?? so these are just statements for discussion not for implementation.

He "only" has a few billion dollars.

For comparison, if we took all the money in the world and divided it up equally among all the people, everyone would have about $9000 USD in their pockets.
Zuckerberg only has a laughably tiny fraction of the world's money supply, thus he wouldn't even be able to provide a few dollars to every person.

Basic income is something that has to be funded through central banking or other structural means. It's not something that any private or corporate entity or collection thereof could possibly ever afford.

[Darklinkz]

I never expected that the brains behind facebook would think that way.


Person 1: Hey guys! Get over here! More Free Money!
Person 2: Now let's buy some food!
Person 3 : No Stock!!!???

[Eyesee4]

These are just statements that makes these people being discussed in society like we all are  doing. If he is so interested in such then why not providing easy jobs for everyone through facebook i mean there are multiple jobs like freelancing marketing advertising etc. If he do so then he wont be rich and wont be in top10 richest worldwide and then who will know him?? so these are just statements for discussion not for implementation.

It is all talk and no action. I read a few days back that Zuckerberg is considering running for the post of POTUS somewhere in the 2030s or the 2040s. By making statements such as this one, he may be preparing for that.

Zuckerberg is a joke.   He is one of those rich elitists that like to live by the "Do as I say and not as I do."  types.   He's such a hypocrite just like the rest of them.   "We need to build bridges not walls."  Meanwhile he builds a stone wall around his home in Hawaii, which causes other homes close to see a Wall instead of the beautiful beach and ocean.    "We need less guns."  Meanwhile he travels with armed security.   God I hate these people.   

[BADecker]

The fact is, fiat causes a transfer of value that is not apparent to most of the poor. The free welfare handouts are part of the transfer of value to the wealthy, even though many of them do not understand how it works, either.

Time to get out of fiat. Time to get out from under formal Government, and to uphold Government as it was meant to be upheld.

When the United States was founded, the founders had a difficult time convincing the rest of the people to found the USA. Why? Because the people had seen what Government was doing. All they had to do was look at King George.

The only way to get the people to help them fight King George was to give the people freedom regarding the new USA Government. The freedom is located in the Constitution and the Amendments. The people back at the founding times understood this freedom. But the people, today, have forgotten it.

Watch Karl Lentz here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twn96nj0jfw&list=PLHrkQxgz0mg6kUBciD-HIvTXByqjcIZ-D&index=10... less than 10 minutes. Then watch him here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN3MI70PFBw ... almost 6 hours. Start to see some of the things you are missing.

[Vod]

The fact is, fiat causes a transfer of value that is not apparent to most of the poor. The free welfare handouts are part of the transfer of value to the wealthy, even though many of them do not understand how it works, either.

Did you use the same rational thinking to come to this conclusion that you do to believe in your fairy tales?