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May 30, 2017, 09:46:29 PM
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FWIW, over at forum.z.cash there is a posting from May 26 where the poster, a Chinese miner, tells about an upcoming Nvidia product which is tailored to mining only - no video ports, no game playing. He says:

https://forum.z.cash/t/nvidia-to-release-mining-only-gpus-soon/16257

"Ok bit of news from China... Nvidia will be releasing Mining Only GPUs soon... These will be GPUs without any display panels, no DP, no HDMI, no DVI... just a card and cooler. They will only be able to mine, they will not work for things such as playing games or rendering video, etc...

"Just a heads up on whats to come... If your thinking of building an Nvidia mining rig now... might be best to wait...

"I'm trying to find out more, cousin works for nviida, she told me about htem a week ago, and people are talking about them all around in ZCash groups in china now... when i find out any more I will update.

"Otherwise I think it would be smart to wait and see... i dont think they they will be overpriced if they are aimed at miners and mining farms.. else why would they make them... ?

"There would be no point in making a mining specific card that does nothing else but mine ... and then charge more than the gaming cards... no one is going to pay more money for less hashrate per dollar invested in the GPU.

"Nvidia doesn't like miners using their mainstream gaming cards for mining, they do not like dealing with warranty issues on the cards, so instead of fighting it, they are starting to embrace mining (as far as I can see).

"Even if they do end up costing 2000 or 5000$ a GPU, if the hashrate is worth it and makes it a better buy... then it is a better buy... and if they are coming out with these cards... we should wait to see if these cards will kill the current hashrate on existing GTX cards.

"I just dont think its smart to build a GTX miner without knowing more about these cards, as they will be coming out ... so..."
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May 30, 2017, 10:12:20 PM
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Here are my thoughts, some of which might be wrong;
 - display ports are cheap and easy to put on cards so it's kind of a pointless excercise to remove them;
 - virtually nobody is mining with stock nvidia cards; aftermarket cards is where it's at;
 - knowing nvidia, I can't imagine these cards not just costing less than their gaming counterparts, they'll very likely be more expensive for maybe slightly more cores but there's no way they'll be better in terms of price per performance. Every specialized (enterprise) cards are disgustingly overpriced;
 - nvidia not liking miners is just nonsense; GPUs owned by miners rarely ever get faulty, maybe only a couple of percentages more RMA than regular users but the increased number of sales should more than make up for it. (There's a reason as to the length of the warranty periods);
 - nvidia might have zero idea what features mining cards need, therefore they could be useless outside of a few coins (similarily to ASICs);
 - but if they do, what would be scary/awful is if nvidia would also provide their closed source miners.
 - these cards would have massively reduced resale value, just like ASICs.

I certainly don't hold my breath and kind of certain/hopeful that it will flop.

The single most beneficial thing of GPU mining is that virtually everyone has one which can be used for mining, eg. distribution of GPU-friendly PoW coins is great. Introducing a specialized hardware for miners would turn GPU mining into the same old  lifeless industrial world of ASICs with poor coin distribution since not everyone is going to have one of these.

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May 31, 2017, 12:45:21 AM
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Such a card would have a much smaller residual value.
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May 31, 2017, 02:07:17 AM
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One of the reasons we like stock GPU's is that they have a resale value, they can be used for gaming or what not after we are done with them.  Look at the outdated ASIC's, they are mainly boat anchors.  My old 280x's from the last round of mining from a couple years ago sold recently for $100+ dollars each. 
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May 31, 2017, 03:33:58 AM
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There is probably misunderstanding occurred... what i could imagine is nvidia will do is some sort of a ACCELERATOR Card, perhaps something like NEC POWER VR did back in the 90's
 - i have doubts it will be specifically designed for mining, too many protocols, card has to be universal, so why try to re-invent a bicycle ?

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May 31, 2017, 08:45:20 AM
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I think if you use nvidia gtx more often, make sure the cooling system also installed with it, because temperature frequently begin to raise even hotter when do mining Grin
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May 31, 2017, 09:35:12 PM
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Think about it from a competition perspective... What cards are currently sold out everywhere? 1080Ti's? No. 1080's. No. 1070's? Nope. 1060's? Niet, nope, non.

AMD Rx 570's and 580's.
Because they're miner cards.

If they want to bury AMD they have to fight them where they have most to lose.

A dedicated mining GPU from nVidia would hurt AMD massively.

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May 31, 2017, 09:41:17 PM
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Think about it from a competition perspective... What cards are currently sold out everywhere? 1080Ti's? No. 1080's. No. 1070's? Nope. 1060's? Niet, nope, non.

AMD Rx 570's and 580's.
Because they're miner cards.

If they want to bury AMD they have to fight them where they have most to lose.

A dedicated mining GPU from nVidia would hurt AMD massively.

You'd be surprised how many nvidia cards are already being sold/bought for mining purposes.

RX cards, they're not mining cards, they're gaming cards, we miners just use them.

They don't want to bury AMD, you'd be surprised how much respect they have for each other, they're still competitors though, true, but none the less, they respect each other.


It would cut into the profits of AMD, but it'll be ok.

Every AMD gpu out there that has been sold already and is actively mining right now, imagine a time when mining is a lost cause... they'd all end up on the second hand market, that, my friend, that would hurt AMD A LOT more.

So to speak of it, this has happened before... not that long ago...

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May 31, 2017, 10:06:31 PM
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I don't get it. A GPU is just a vector co-processor that can run any compatible software application.
Different architectures perforrm differently for different applications, just like a CPU. Mining is not
an singular application but a group of applications (kernels), each with their own performance
profile.

So what is a mining GPU? Does it have more cores to improve compute-bound applications, or a faster
memory interface to improve I/O bound applications? It depends on the algo.

So what features could their be that define a GPU as a mining GPU? Just removing the video ports won't
reduce the cost enough to draw miners, or anyone. to buy it instead of a regular GPU.

I suspect it's just going to be a marketing campaign to miners. They may brand a card as mining vs gaming
but it will only be cosmetic.

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June 01, 2017, 02:08:01 AM
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One of the reasons we like stock GPU's is that they have a resale value, they can be used for gaming or what not after we are done with them.  Look at the outdated ASIC's, they are mainly boat anchors.  My old 280x's from the last round of mining from a couple years ago sold recently for $100+ dollars each. 

What the bloody heck do you have for a boat? o.o

I don't get it. A GPU is just a vector co-processor that can run any compatible software application.
Different architectures perforrm differently for different applications, just like a CPU. Mining is not
an singular application but a group of applications (kernels), each with their own performance
profile.

So what is a mining GPU? Does it have more cores to improve compute-bound applications, or a faster
memory interface to improve I/O bound applications? It depends on the algo.

So what features could their be that define a GPU as a mining GPU? Just removing the video ports won't
reduce the cost enough to draw miners, or anyone. to buy it instead of a regular GPU.

I suspect it's just going to be a marketing campaign to miners. They may brand a card as mining vs gaming
but it will only be cosmetic.


There are stark differences between what would be a mining card and a gaming card. Perhaps it's in the hardware. Perhaps it's in the software. Perhaps - just perhaps - it's in other things, like the VBIOS, or the power useage, or the memory speed, or even the bandwidth.

You'd be surprised at what could be removed on both AMD and NVIDIA cards to make them cost effective for miners.

Here are my thoughts, some of which might be wrong;
 - display ports are cheap and easy to put on cards so it's kind of a pointless excercise to remove them;
 - virtually nobody is mining with stock nvidia cards; aftermarket cards is where it's at;
 - knowing nvidia, I can't imagine these cards not just costing less than their gaming counterparts, they'll very likely be more expensive for maybe slightly more cores but there's no way they'll be better in terms of price per performance. Every specialized (enterprise) cards are disgustingly overpriced;
 - nvidia not liking miners is just nonsense; GPUs owned by miners rarely ever get faulty, maybe only a couple of percentages more RMA than regular users but the increased number of sales should more than make up for it. (There's a reason as to the length of the warranty periods);
 - nvidia might have zero idea what features mining cards need, therefore they could be useless outside of a few coins (similarily to ASICs);
 - but if they do, what would be scary/awful is if nvidia would also provide their closed source miners.
 - these cards would have massively reduced resale value, just like ASICs.

I certainly don't hold my breath and kind of certain/hopeful that it will flop.

The single most beneficial thing of GPU mining is that virtually everyone has one which can be used for mining, eg. distribution of GPU-friendly PoW coins is great. Introducing a specialized hardware for miners would turn GPU mining into the same old  lifeless industrial world of ASICs with poor coin distribution since not everyone is going to have one of these.

Do you really think NVIDIA would enter this market without consulting some of the brightest in the cryptocurrency space? Furthermore, do you really think NVIDIA would create a card that would be more expensive than their gaming counterparts? That makes no sense. Why would anyone ever buy a cryptocurrency card then, when they can just buy gaming?

Aftermarket cards are just slightly modified NVIDIA reference cards - generally the VRM, heatsink and fan are modified, along with the VBIOS.

Software support will come. Maybe not from NVIDIA. I will say this:

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June 01, 2017, 09:31:23 AM
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indeed, basically removing the "G" part of the gpus... You may know you can already use a second card dedicated to PhysX computations in games in the nv control panel. Good idea so

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Actually, it's not a new idea - "computation-only" stuff already exists at the high end where Tesla lives, and AMD has had their Firepro-S series around (abet WAY overpriced like all "workstation" cards) for quite a while now.

 The trick for a "mining-specific" card would be to just not charge workstation-specific type OVERPRICING on them.

 The resale market would be a lot more limited than on standard consumer-type GPUs, but it's there.

 I could see EVGA in particular pushing such a card to their "Folding Bucks" participants.







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June 08, 2017, 10:05:25 AM
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Just found this youtube video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VpsJ6j2nZo

The video guy says they are expecting to see the cards to release around june 23rd according to some source.

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June 08, 2017, 10:15:08 AM
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I won´t take any products with only 90 days of warranty in the EU.

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Just found this youtube video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VpsJ6j2nZo

The video guy says they are expecting to see the cards to release around june 23rd according to some source.

30 Mh/s Eth Possible on 1060?

Good News?


It is not possible for 1060 unless it uses different number of cores and memory.
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The gtx 1060 has a 192 bit bus.

Are they planning to change to a 256 bit bus?
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I won´t take any products with only 90 days of warranty in the EU.

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You can't release electronics with less than 2 years warranty in the EU regardless.

It's straight illegal.

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Just found this youtube video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VpsJ6j2nZo

The video guy says they are expecting to see the cards to release around june 23rd according to some source.

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it depend how much is the cost, if they cost much more than a 1060 but earn more also, it's good for density, maybe they will just change the amount of cuda and redo the pcb, but that news look a bit fake too me, and just rumors, i will trust it when there will be something official from nvidia or amd
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June 10, 2017, 09:28:30 AM
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All the pics on the zcash forum where original discussion started looks photoshopped to me, also some of them i found out they are pics taken from a miner called Pangolinminer (china).

Not sure what they are trying to do with spreading news like this. Huh

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Guys, it is real.
NVidia cards 1080 or 1060 without display ports.  50,000 chips in this batch.  6 cards in a mining rig with a mother board , cpu,RAM all tunned for mining ,  sales price may vary from  RMB 18,000 or 2650USD to 21,000 RMB or 3000 USD per rig.

But, it won't be available to most of the miners. it is pre-ordered,These rigs are under the name of strategic defence initiative from NVidia against AMD cards or so they call it.

so, go back to the point that was discussed before: no need to hold on your nVidia farm plan cause: this batch is very small, if you don't know it from months ago, you won't be able to get them.
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