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June 11, 2017, 01:21:30 AM
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Why are nations with gun abundance mostly 3rd world and civil war countries?

The USA is polite? Does a polite nation go to (senseless) wars 224 out of 241 years of existence?  Huh

They have one of the highest gun deaths per year per 100.000 people.


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Why do swiss have so much weapons any1 know and can explain? Smiley

They have extremely liberal gun laws compared to the rest of Europe. You just register the gun and that's all, while in most EU countries you have to undergo a strict background check and sometimes even psychiatric evaluation.

There are many countries with a relatively high ownership ratio and very small number of gun crimes. Guns don't kill, people do. If you give guns to people in an unstable environment, where there's a lot of crime, not much work, and kids are spending their days pickpocketing or getting high, you'll have high gun crime numbers.


Low number of guns doesn't necessarily mean low number of gun crimes.
Compare disarmed countries like Japan or South Korea with Norway or Iceland.
Norway has 30 times more guns that SK, but only 2 times the number of gun crimes.


Wait i though the nr. 1 narrative of guns for everyone is that it makes everything safer?!
The graphic and the arguments you use contradict that narrative strongly.

Also: holyshit how comes the scadinavian rape for all nations are actually packed with guns.
The finns even have as much guns as the swiss luls
Something isnt right Huh
Because in America you need to kill for a good life..
With so many people only the few make it without doing a crime..

They don't like the word socialism so the kill each other to capitalise ..
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June 11, 2017, 01:48:45 AM
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If your government sells all your public assets to private owners then no money getting made for your public services ..
The money made all goes to one guy or his company not the public for nice new what ever the public needs ..
Now if you want nice stuff for the public I.E in roads schools hospitals..

Because they have sold all our assets off      we have to have private owners charging us what ever they like for the services our government sold on us to private buyers..

So now because of the government selling our assets to there friends to they get a cut
we will be paying for everything NOTHING will be FREE..

They have put our FUTURE children in so much debt and so they keep raking the money in of the future children..

When all along those ASSETS they had no right to SELL they was our ASSETS..

STOLEN BY GREEDY POLITICIANS and sold to line there rich friends and there pockets..

But because we now need money for everything like hospital medicines doctors    rent sky high
university debt OUR FUTURE CHILDREN are FUCKED..

WE WILL STOP THIS CRAZY GREED VERY SOON ..

Our children will not be in debt to pay for education or medical ..

SO STICK THAT UP YOUR ASS HOLES..

We will never be like AMERICA THE LAND OF THE MURDERERS ..
They have to be get anything in life ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

USA is a dog eat dog world..
So expect if your country follows the American way you will see many deaths and poverty like you ain't seen before ..

I think it was a documentary about Clinton i think BUT never in my life would i of dreamed of doing this OR even coming up with the IDEA Shocked ..

A guy would knock on an old poor person home and say do you want to donate to charity ..
The poor person would say i got nothing ..
Then they say it's ok we will pay the insurance to the charity when you die ..

So the poor person would think well who cares i am dead and i am giving to charity when i die..
So they sign the contract ..

Then the guy would come back and kill them and claim the 50K and keep the money for themselves
and i believe 100s got killed for this insurance scam ..


ONLY IN AMERICA..TOTAL CAPITALISM..

Go look at your presidents what many done for there monies ..
Slaves drugs murder all to make money and power..

And which ever country follows the AMERICAN way will have many deaths.
And many SHIT HOLES..
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June 11, 2017, 02:25:25 AM
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To the uk government our children will now vote for FREE education free hospitals and a free life
just like you snooty people got in the 1950s you got paid to go to university..

I never paid for my college or if i chose uni i never would of had to pay ..
My sister never paid anything my parents never paid anything..

SO OUR YOUNG ADULTS will not be paying for education ..

Little tip get your university degrees and move to another country and get a job no paying it back..

THE WHOLE WORLD comes to UK gets a degree and move. no paying it..

How do they do this?..

I left my country in Pakistan because my village will kill us for blasphemy please help me UK..
So they give them a 1 bed room flat ..

But all along the women is pregnant and she has that child it goes to school then goes to medical school gets it's degrees and the leaves the UK to go to USA and get paid big doctors wages..

While all along they only come for a free medical university degree off the UK tax payer..

Now poor little people around the world you now know how to come to the UK and get a free life
even though our government thinks you are paying you will not because you leave with no job..

Thus having no job you pay no UNIVERSITY BILLS..
Then go to the USA and get massive doctors wages..

PLENTY OF DEATH ..plenty of doctors needed..Don't pay you DIE in america and the UK soon..

I am a doctor what's up Smiley      well i have a brain tumour   Cool    well give me 100k or DIE.. Grin

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June 11, 2017, 03:04:25 AM
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I see swords, knifes and other combat knife as a tool to kill but this tools nevertheless their pretty much useful when cutting things in the past heroes with swords has viewed this kind of tools as a way to obtain honor and glory. There's no point into speaking to a killer who takes pride in such things, knights cannot save this world such illusions shown by heroes throughout history has led countless young men to their bloody deaths, all for the sake for this honor and glory. They call certain methods of figthing good and evil acting as if there is some nobility in the battlefield. Who knows we might need this weapons in post apocalyptic type of situation.

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June 11, 2017, 09:32:32 AM
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It's my dream ever since to own a sword because for me it symbololizes courage like what King Arthur have showcased a long time ago. But now in the modern technology having a sword against a group of guys handling guns can make your life easier because obviously, a sword needs a body contact with the enemy for it to be able to damage while guns, you can fire at any range that gives it an advantage. Right now, I want to learn handling guns for safety or a leisure time like shooting range.
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June 11, 2017, 11:30:46 AM
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Swords are very beautiful and effective in battle, but this is the last century. Now with a sword you do not intimidate the person who owns the gun.
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June 11, 2017, 04:58:24 PM
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Swords are very beautiful and effective in battle, but this is the last century. Now with a sword you do not intimidate the person who owns the gun.

Mastering the sword is an art. And this is philosophy. Now the interest in forgotten culture is reviving. I have seen many young people who are ready to learn martial arts with the use of the sword

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June 11, 2017, 09:07:52 PM
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Swords and axes are good for the purpose of posing for photos, but in practical situations they are useless (especially if your enemy owns an assault rifle). Personally, I don't own a gun. But I would feel more secure and safe, if I could get hold of one of them.
You are not right. When a person is good with a knife is also a very serious weapon in our time. I have a pistol and assault rifle. I know whereof I speak. If you have a gun, and the enemy is proficient with a knife is at a distance of ten meters from you, believe me you do not have much of a chance.

Not to mention, knives are concealed weapons, that's why they've always been associated with stealth and assassination. IMHO, children should be taught martial arts in school and that included use of these weapons and tactics to disarm them. Gun classes then come later in high school.
Thus it is necessary not to forget to educate children so that they their knowledge is not directed against people, though of course if children are well-behaved then the ability to use weapons they do not need.

I think it's really about responsible gun ownership. The way guns are looked upon now, it seems like it's treated more as a weapon of power and violence rather than an instrument of order. If everyone's gonna get a gun at one point though, it'll seem, well - commonplace. I remember here in my country, there's a province where people are said to carry their butterfly daggers like they'd wear undies. Consequently, they were polite coz things could turn into a knife fight if they don't keep their heads cool.

I also think the issuing of a personal gun when someone reached a certain age and level of mastery acts as a sort of rite of passage, imbuing the gun with a deeper meaning.
Man has always been drown to weapons, from swords to guns. Also weapon sometime represent status, so the better (Expensive) weapon you have, the more wealthy you are, but that does not mean that you know when and how to use it, and that is the biggest problem. Most of people have access to a weapon, but did not take time to learn how to use it properly. Now days people do not take weapon too seriously, and they should.

When you said status, I suddenly remembered feudal Japan where commoners can't have swords. Weapons are mass-produced now and their easier than ever to get.

IMHO this is why the state should be more engaged in education people on not just using it but using it responsibly. This might require a cultural change though. I mean, the Swiss are well-armed but they don't have mass shootings like in the US.
Exactly, feudal Japan is good choice. Quality of katana sword was in some cases status representative, and was expensive so commoners did not own them in most cases. And i also agree on second matter as well. There should be more education of people about weapon and their usage, for safety reasons only and better understanding of same.
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June 12, 2017, 01:53:54 AM
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It's my dream ever since to own a sword because for me it symbololizes courage like what King Arthur have showcased a long time ago. But now in the modern technology having a sword against a group of guys handling guns can make your life easier because obviously, a sword needs a body contact with the enemy for it to be able to damage while guns, you can fire at any range that gives it an advantage. Right now, I want to learn handling guns for safety or a leisure time like shooting range.
Right now, swordmanship is preferrable to become a hobby and sport like in Japan though they don't actually use real swords but a wooden sword also known as bokken. But I like swordmanship than any other else.

Weapons are used to hurt others so due to this more weapons are made that are more effective to secure against these weapons used to hurt others which again would develop a more effective weapon and again and again. Just a simple stone can be used weapon, a knife that is used to cut ingredients for a delicious dish can be used to hurt others. Basically anything can be used as a weapon and weapons to protect exist due to weapons that hurts.



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June 12, 2017, 05:35:26 AM
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Right now, swordmanship is preferrable to become a hobby and sport like in Japan though they don't actually use real swords but a wooden sword also known as bokken. But I like swordmanship than any other else.

Are they afraid of getting cut if they use a real sword? The Japanese society has changed a lot since the American occupation which began more than 7 decades ago. What is the point in using a wooden sword? A sword made out of wood is not a real sword. It is more like a wooden sail or a toy.

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Are they afraid of getting cut if they use a real sword? The Japanese society has changed a lot since the American occupation which began more than 7 decades ago. What is the point in using a wooden sword? A sword made out of wood is not a real sword. It is more like a wooden sail or a toy.
A bokken sword can cause a lot of injuries to an unprotected man, it even can be a deadly weapon in professional hands. But I prefer machete, axes and throwing knives.
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Are they afraid of getting cut if they use a real sword? The Japanese society has changed a lot since the American occupation which began more than 7 decades ago. What is the point in using a wooden sword? A sword made out of wood is not a real sword. It is more like a wooden sail or a toy.
A bokken sword can cause a lot of injuries to an unprotected man, it even can be a deadly weapon in professional hands. But I prefer machete, axes and throwing knives.

Throwing knives like used by ninjas, like shuriken.  Yeah, I also like swords feels like ninja and knights during whatever period is that.  It is more of showing strength compared in using guns which doesn't show strenght but power and skills on firing it.  Archery is good also and it feels like you are part of soldiers protecting the castle.
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June 12, 2017, 12:17:34 PM
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Also: holyshit how comes the scadinavian rape for all nations are actually packed with guns.
The finns even have as much guns as the swiss luls
Something isnt right Huh

Probably because of hunting. There is a lot of wildlife in those countries. The funny thing is that when you look at this list of 10 best countries for gun owners: http://www.gunsandammo.com/network-topics/culture-politics-network/best-countries-gun-owners/ you will see Finland at nr. 9, Sweden nr. 7 and Norway at nr. 5.

Two different things, guys.

Scandinavians indeed have long (very long) history of hunting wild life. Teenage girls, who go to night clubs dont pack hunting rifles  Wink and muslims are packed around the coastal cities, not in rural areas. You would see massive drop of criminality outside of places like Stockholm.

Why are nations with gun abundance mostly 3rd world and civil war countries?

The USA is polite? Does a polite nation go to (senseless) wars 224 out of 241 years of existence?  Huh

They have one of the highest gun deaths per year per 100.000 people.


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Why do swiss have so much weapons any1 know and can explain? Smiley

Swiss fought major powers, that tried to take control of strategic alpine region (their home) for generations. As result most men have mandatory military training. Then, they are allowed to keep their issued combat rifles in their homes, should need to call them arise.

You cant really compare that to gang bangers from Detroit, those men learn how to handle and treat firearms as part of their militia training, in service of their country.
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June 12, 2017, 12:31:15 PM
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Right now, swordmanship is preferrable to become a hobby and sport like in Japan though they don't actually use real swords but a wooden sword also known as bokken. But I like swordmanship than any other else.

Are they afraid of getting cut if they use a real sword? The Japanese society has changed a lot since the American occupation which began more than 7 decades ago. What is the point in using a wooden sword? A sword made out of wood is not a real sword. It is more like a wooden sail or a toy.

You can in cave in skull with bokken, it is not a toy, but finely balanced club, Sithara  Wink thats why Kendo and HEMA practicioners wear protective gear aswell. The point is sparring, getting better at fighting in these full contact sports without killing your training partner. In HEMA blunt steel swords are used instead.

Besides, keeping history alive...

You are getting more fit.

You learn about self defense, that has nothing to do with firearms.

You are socializing.

This is what I mean by full contact sport. Thai box is child play next to it, thats why those men wear proper plate armor in events. They have to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK4sU9ysphc



Swords are very beautiful and effective in battle, but this is the last century. Now with a sword you do not intimidate the person who owns the gun.

Mastering the sword is an art. And this is philosophy. Now the interest in forgotten culture is reviving. I have seen many young people who are ready to learn martial arts with the use of the sword

I completely agree.
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I don't like cold steel. I am more used to firearms. For me, it's an anachronism.
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June 12, 2017, 12:55:25 PM
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A warrior with a sword was steep many years ago, but now it's just useless when there are many effective weapons.

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June 12, 2017, 01:02:54 PM
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Using a gun is much easier to kill someone than a sword , more practical and safe as you eliminate your opponent from distance.Moreover is less psychologically painless as you defeat your opponent fast with some bullets and not with a face to face fight where you have to beat him continuously and see the blood.
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Using a gun is much easier to kill someone than a sword , more practical and safe as you eliminate your opponent from distance.Moreover is less psychologically painless as you defeat your opponent fast with some bullets and not with a face to face fight where you have to beat him continuously and see the blood.

Couple of points, because I see others doing the same logical mistakes aswell.

1. Swords were not primary battlefield weapons of your ancestors. Bows and, halberds and pikes were. Your ancestors were not stupid and knew, that having distance from opponent is advantageous. Swords were equivalent of tactical knives and/or handguns today. Back up tools for personal protection.

This is battlefield weapon:

2. No. If you are willingly taking someones life it is stressful regardless, if you are clicking buttons on your computer or smashing hammer on their skull. Guns are truly making men equal, it doesnt matter, that you are facing 80 years old woman with Parkinsons, as long as she can point a gun at you, you are a toast. For the better? I dont know. Anciet warrior cultures used to have code of honor, that is all but extinct today.

3. You can also notice, that thanks to firearms, walls and bastions become redundant. Before, cities and towns were closed off from outside world.

Swords are very beautiful and effective in battle, but this is the last century. Now with a sword you do not intimidate the person who owns the gun.

Interesting question. How many people do own guns for personal protection outside of United States? Here in Europe, guns are almost never used for petty criminal acts. Knives and clubs are.
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June 12, 2017, 05:35:31 PM
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I don't like cold steel. I am more used to firearms. For me, it's an anachronism.

And I love cold steel very much. I have a few knives in the collection. These are not combat knives, they are not officially considered a cold steel.
I know the history of making these knives. They are unique and each has its own character.
I really like Damascus steel machetes

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June 12, 2017, 09:18:18 PM
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Why are nations with gun abundance mostly 3rd world and civil war countries?

The USA is polite? Does a polite nation go to (senseless) wars 224 out of 241 years of existence?  Huh

They have one of the highest gun deaths per year per 100.000 people.


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Why do swiss have so much weapons any1 know and can explain? Smiley

They have extremely liberal gun laws compared to the rest of Europe. You just register the gun and that's all, while in most EU countries you have to undergo a strict background check and sometimes even psychiatric evaluation.

There are many countries with a relatively high ownership ratio and very small number of gun crimes. Guns don't kill, people do. If you give guns to people in an unstable environment, where there's a lot of crime, not much work, and kids are spending their days pickpocketing or getting high, you'll have high gun crime numbers.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/f9/e4/79/f9e479db168e5a6316fcd2210d6ff34a.jpg

Low number of guns doesn't necessarily mean low number of gun crimes.
Compare disarmed countries like Japan or South Korea with Norway or Iceland.
Norway has 30 times more guns that SK, but only 2 times the number of gun crimes.


Wait i though the nr. 1 narrative of guns for everyone is that it makes everything safer?!
The graphic and the arguments you use contradict that narrative strongly.

Also: holyshit how comes the scadinavian rape for all nations are actually packed with guns.
The finns even have as much guns as the swiss luls
Something isnt right Huh

Actually, the statistics aren't that specific. They are showing the number of gun deaths, so the criminals are included. Defense can also lead to the death of the attacker and doesn't say much about whether guns are saving lives or not. Maybe without them a number of knife or baseball bat deaths would've been bigger.

If you started doing this statistics in a gym, where kids are working out without any equipment, just running around and doing pushups, and you give them punching bags, the statistics will show an increase in the number of injuries. Does it mean punching bags are dangerous?

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