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June 07, 2017, 01:48:22 AM
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After 2 of my auctions in a row now being sabotaged (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1867468.0 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1889893.0), what can be done to deter & punish the perpetrators? Add a local rule that anyone who posts a number but does not abide by the auction terms, agrees to be permanently banned from Bitcointalk?

Saying that you don't trust someone because of their behavior is completely valid.
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June 07, 2017, 04:00:32 AM
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1867468.0

This one. You should've chat him, confirm, and send the money because in the first place you can't expect that people would be trustworthy so this is nothing new and red trust would practically make him not able to participate from future auctions and other deal due to that.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1889893.0

What the hell? Seriously? Dollar sign ($) and bitcoin sign (BTC) are different and everyone could tell it that he is trying to fool or mislead you. If I am on your place, I wouldn't have taken it as understandable but rather I will clarify this. Also there are other users who pointed it out but you are saying that it is understandable etc and etc.That are two different things!



Though regarding the permanent ban is for the staffs to decide but I would say red trust would practically ruin that account's future deal though he can always create another one. You should be more wise next time and always put a place for doubting since you can't expect strangers to be honest and trustworthy really.
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June 07, 2017, 05:12:25 AM
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1867468.0

This one. You should've chat him, confirm, and send the money

Huh? Did you even read the rating I left on Cryptogrifff or are you just trying to cover for sig spamming for ChipMixer with a lot of nonsense? I DID "chat him" via PM, he NEVER responded, let alone didn't send the money in nearly 11 hours, nearly 3 hours of grace period after the 8 hours stated in my auction terms.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1889893.0

What the hell? Seriously? Dollar sign ($) and bitcoin sign (BTC) are different and everyone could tell it that he is trying to fool or mislead you. If I am on your place, I wouldn't have taken it as understandable but rather I will clarify this. Also there are other users who pointed it out but you are saying that it is understandable etc and etc.That are two different things!

Seriously, more sig spam-covering nonsense? The ill-named BitWhale* had 7 days, 23 hours, 10 minutes and 48 seconds, between the time I recognized BTC1 would be a valid bid (as opposed to the invalid bid of $1), and the auction's end, to "clarify" the sabotage. Then BitWhale only "clarified" after the auction lapsed, after the payment deadline, even.

I had also reported BitWhale's bid post to mods in a timely manner after it was made, and still haven't gotten a response. Partly why I've posted this topic in Meta.

*Whale, as most commonly understood when used non-literally, means noun; a wealthy patron to a casino, gets paid special attention by a casino host so the patron will feel comfortable to gamble more money. And what are you doing when you bid on a mystery box? You're gambling that you'll like what you win. It's entirely understandable for someone who identifies themselves as a "Bit" (short for Bitcoin) Whale (wealthy gambler)" to have bid BTC1 with every intention of paying.



Mods can unlock this topic or PM me to unlock it for a public response.

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June 07, 2017, 06:04:17 AM
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Excerpts from PM, snipped bits with "...":

Your topic was locked while I was attempting to respond to your "auction interference" thread.

I have quoted what I intended to post below in an effort to give you friendly advice. Feel free to ignore it if you so choose.

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In regards to your questions, your "round two" bidder reneged on his bid, so I would advise that you open a scam accusation and/or leave him a negative rating.

The negative rating was already left right away... the scam accusation I guess I could do too, if it didn't look like they had abandoned their account from April 24 (13 days after auction end), 2017 until now. Even if they reactivate, my negrating with risked BTC & uneditable reference URL will be more evergreen than a Scam Accusation that is bumped down the listings.

... In order to prevent this from happening in the future, you can require users who do not meet some criteria to prepay (a portion of) their bid prior to you accepting their bid. If you require that only a portion of user's bid to be prepaid, you can stipulate that they will lose their "deposit" if they do not pay their balance within "x" amount of time.

No matter my years of built-up trust ratings, that sounds like a ticket to ratings suicide.

In regards to your "round three" bidder, no one had bid after ~a month, and he made an offer below your starting bid. You have the option to either reject his bid, or decide that you are willing to accept an amount below your starting bid. His offer was clearly $1 and not 1BTC, so if you wanted to accept his bid, he owes you $1. It looks like he sent you~$1 in BTC, so if you are not going to accept his bid, then I would suggest that you refund him (while deducting the tx fee from the amount you send him).

My acceptance of BTC1 as a valid bid & necessarily implicit rejection of the clearly invalid bid of $1 should have been obvious at some point over the aforementioned 7 days, 23 hours, 10 minutes and 48 seconds of non-"clarification" from BitWhale. And as BitWhale said, "Please accept my $1 donation and buy yourself a happy meal." Which costs well over $1. End of that story.

As a side note, if the items you have listed for sale are not selling, it will probably not hurt anything to allow for some friendly conversation in your sales threads -- doing so will allow for free bumps for you.

Too frustrating to have to answer questions from sig spammers already answered in my OPs, and say no, no, no, no, when asked/demanded to reconsider the terms of sale I set to be law-abiding, such as only shipping within the US.

Saying that you don't trust someone because of their behavior is completely valid.
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