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June 08, 2017, 06:35:13 PM
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the icos are getting more outrageous by the day. people are handing over millions for one shitty webpage filled with empty promises with a crappy voiceover.

at some point someone somewhere is gonna get heavy in a legal sense and the party will be over.

what happens to bitcoin in these circumstances? do people come rolling back or leave crypto for good?

and i know what some people will say, they can't be regulated, well, they probably already are but no one running them has bothered to check.

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June 08, 2017, 11:40:31 PM
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I think it's bad news for crypto in general, and either the crypto community comes up with a way to self regulate, e.g. some kind of technology peer review and ponzi alert system/society  or governments will pile in and try and regulate, which although in principle is impossible, they can certainly make things more difficult for people trying to destroy their oligarchies in a reasonable, civilized manner Wink 

As it is we can't even have a reasonable conversation about how to scale bitcoin, so I suspect the ICOs will froth completely out of control until there is some horrendous meltdown :/

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June 08, 2017, 11:51:18 PM
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I guess all the newcomers who are clamoring for these stupid ICOs will need to learn a lesson the hard way.

Once they get scammed badly and lose all their money, they'll either do one of two things:

1) Walk away from crypto forever, head on over to r/buttcoin and join the ranks of those that got burned to disparage crypto until their dying days

2) Realize that they should have just bought Bitcoin and HODL for years like all the vets were telling them
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June 08, 2017, 11:56:17 PM
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All it takes is one domino to fall for all the others to go down. Just like Torque above me said, once we get a large enough scam ICO they'll all realise ICOs are essentially scams and they'll stop being as popular. For the moment they're just places for guys to get rich quick, not exactly too sustainable. Big reason why I hardly ever diversify anymore and just HODL.














 

 

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June 09, 2017, 12:24:25 AM
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Nothing.
Why would anything happen to bitcoin over startup cryptocurrencies selling icos. Has nothing to do with bitcoin!
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June 09, 2017, 12:51:00 AM
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Nothing.
Why would anything happen to bitcoin over startup cryptocurrencies selling icos. Has nothing to do with bitcoin!

A shitty scam ICO with a bunch of big investors losing large amounts of money could be negative news for cryptocurrency in general if it ever did happen. Ethereum also heavily depends on both pumping investors and ICOs to keep it's price up, which in turn also influences the price of Bitcoin. Everything's connected.














 

 

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June 09, 2017, 12:56:05 AM
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This is not the first time ICO's that are more likely scams pop around. They have always been around, but now we are in a bubble, just like in 2013-2014.

If Bitcoin could survive Gox, it can survive a few scam ICOs.

But of course not all ICOs are scams, there are good opportunities for those who can do the right choices

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June 09, 2017, 02:10:30 AM
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I guess all the newcomers who are clamoring for these stupid ICOs will need to learn a lesson the hard way.

^^ this

remember not so long ago pre-mining altcoins was so popular? everyone was creating an altcoin with a huge pre-mine. then websites like coinmarketcap started adding a * on their names and then a ** on those with significant pre-mine, and people were handing over millions by then too.
today if you tell someone that coin is a pre-mine they will stay away.

the same will happen to ICOs soon. and i don't think it has any effect on bitcoin in any way. altcoins have always been the stupid gambling market to risk and make more bitcoin or risk and lose a lot.


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June 09, 2017, 02:19:49 AM
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the icos are getting more outrageous by the day. people are handing over millions for one shitty webpage filled with empty promises with a crappy voiceover.

at some point someone somewhere is gonna get heavy in a legal sense and the party will be over.

what happens to bitcoin in these circumstances? do people come rolling back or leave crypto for good?

and i know what some people will say, they can't be regulated, well, they probably already are but no one running them has bothered to check.

I assume they go back into bitcoin and I agree at some point the ICO party has to end or at least become more reasonable. But the problem is not only the ICO party its also the fact that almost every worthless coin is being pumped constantly, at some point the vast majority of these coins need to die.
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June 09, 2017, 02:39:33 AM
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It's just an extension of the altcoin trend in the end people will be wiped but some of them may survive and do something
The rest are just crapcoins but the market is pumping across the field so it's a new version of the pump and dump for the new money.
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June 09, 2017, 04:56:48 AM
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The SEC hammer could affect Bitcoin negatively in the medium term but nothing can really take away Bitcoin's main attribute that is giving it more value year by year. It is a decentralized, peer to peer, censorship resistant value transfer protocol. It is here to stay.


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June 11, 2017, 02:02:04 PM
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the icos are getting more outrageous by the day. people are handing over millions for one shitty webpage filled with empty promises with a crappy voiceover.

at some point someone somewhere is gonna get heavy in a legal sense and the party will be over.

what happens to bitcoin in these circumstances? do people come rolling back or leave crypto for good?

and i know what some people will say, they can't be regulated, well, they probably already are but no one running them has bothered to check.

There is no way that any of it will completely fade away.  As long as there are people that hand out money, there will be people there taking it. All of those self-proclaimed "protectors" on the forum actually ruined their ability to protect anyone by attacking too many new projects without cause or evidence.  That has made the way for a new scammers to move in and hit hard, until the new people learn and then there will be more new people.

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June 11, 2017, 02:04:46 PM
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Most the people investing in the ICOs are already BTC users. In other words they aren't new to the crypto space. The new users are only beginning to learn about BTC and other established alts. Once the ICO thing blows over (if it ever does) then the scenario will revert to what it was like before the ICOs. I don't there'd be any change on the BTC front.
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Well btc is now 10x more worth in fiat then 1 1/2 years ago.
If you just look at the numbers of btc i dont thing much changed.

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June 11, 2017, 05:21:27 PM
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First of all we need to realize that ICOs have raised $200 million dollars in 2017 which is a lot for unlicensed security.
ICOs should either be fully regulated by SEC or should disappear. How found raising with no investor protection is so popular?
ICO tokens have one purpose - to be actively traded on exchanges, and seldom withdrawn for use (if ever).


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June 11, 2017, 09:51:00 PM
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Don't need regulators the market can fix itself. Free markets man. Eventually people will be burned by the dodgy ICOs and the house of cards will crash down. People that get burned investing in shit without due diligence deserve their losses.
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June 11, 2017, 10:43:40 PM
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Don't need regulators the market can fix itself. Free markets man. Eventually people will be burned by the dodgy ICOs and the house of cards will crash down. People that get burned investing in shit without due diligence deserve their losses.

Agreed completely. If people don't do their own due diligence then it's their fault.

Crowdsales can go both ways. Most out there are there to only benefit the creator of the token but there are some that are worth a buy. For example for those people who invested in the lisk or Ethereum ICO they were rewarded with pretty good results.

I don't think that the SEC will do anything to stop this. Volume is way too low for them to care on a grand scale. You don't see ICOs raising even 100 million dollars. But if they were to shut the whole ICO thing down it'll actually benefit bitcoin price in my opinion as more of these shitcoins gets killed off and more people invest in btc instead of alts.

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June 11, 2017, 10:48:27 PM
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Don't need regulators the market can fix itself. Free markets man. Eventually people will be burned by the dodgy ICOs and the house of cards will crash down. People that get burned investing in shit without due diligence deserve their losses.

it doesn't matter if regulators are needed. they're gonna turn up at some point anyway to justify their salaries and signal to people who the daddy is.

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June 13, 2017, 06:56:36 PM
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the icos are getting more outrageous by the day. people are handing over millions for one shitty webpage filled with empty promises with a crappy voiceover.

at some point someone somewhere is gonna get heavy in a legal sense and the party will be over.

what happens to bitcoin in these circumstances? do people come rolling back or leave crypto for good?

and i know what some people will say, they can't be regulated, well, they probably already are but no one running them has bothered to check.
In the long run it will be beneficial for bitcoins. The more icos flop, and people burn their fingers, the more they will be inclined towards bitcoin. Though it may create a bad reputation as a whole for the entire crypto world of currencies, but people will be wise enough to recognize the one which is already established.

ICOs are booming now a days. I do see almost weekly some new project hits new high levels with their ICO in opening day itself. Not sure how long it may sustain.

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June 13, 2017, 06:57:59 PM
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the icos are getting more outrageous by the day. people are handing over millions for one shitty webpage filled with empty promises with a crappy voiceover.

at some point someone somewhere is gonna get heavy in a legal sense and the party will be over.

what happens to bitcoin in these circumstances? do people come rolling back or leave crypto for good?

and i know what some people will say, they can't be regulated, well, they probably already are but no one running them has bothered to check.
In the long run it will be benificial for bitcoins. The more icos flop, and people burn their fingers, the more they will be inclined towards bitcoin. Though it may create a bad reputation as a whole for the entire crypto world of currencies, but people will be wise enough to recognize the one which is already established.

Yes to an extent but what I think will happen is during the next big crash and subsequent bear market 95% or more altcoins will die and the few good ones along with bitcoin will slowly recover and thrive the following years just as it has the last few.

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