Open AI Gambling Bot/Discussion

[Thekool1s]

So Recently Elon Musk announced the Open AI as we know, If you don't know about "Open AI" just google it, It is basically a bot which learns from visual input and becomes a master at doing whatever it is trained on(Given enought time), It can master any Atari game and can even predict stock prices by given it the proper data, so i was wondering what if somebody trains it on Poker or Dice game? It will be the perfect player, far better than the human and could probably make websites go bankrupt, as there is no defeating to an AI. From what i am seeing the future will be AI's Playing against each other. The person who will have a better AI player will win the most bets, Let me know what do you think about it.

Edit:

Interesting reads on AI:
https://www.wired.com/2017/01/mystery-ai-just-crushed-best-human-players-poker/

Another interesting read:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/11/16137388/dota-2-dendi-open-ai-elon-musk

[Graphics]

So Recently Elon Musk announced the Open AI as we know, If you don't know about "Open AI" just google it, It is basically a bot which learns from visual input and becomes a master at doing whatever it is trained on(Given enought time), It can master any Atari game and can even predict stock prices by given it the proper data, so i was wondering what if somebody trains it on Poker or Dice game? It will be the perfect player, far better than the human and could probably make websites go bankrupt, as there is no defeating to an AI. From what i am seeing the future will be AI's Playing against each other. The person who will have a better AI player will win the most bets, Let me know what do you think about it.


Also If anybody in their spare time can train it on Poker or a simple Head Tail game, Do share your results it will be interesting to see.

Poker is a game of incomplete information. You could not train it. At least the Open AI. But you could always make a custom poker bot based on custom programming (usually Python and some open NN kits) to explore your opponent tendencies.

Dice roll doesn't have a memory. Nothing for training here. The is no 'perfect player' for dice. There is a house edge.

[Thekool1s]

same is the case with stock trading, The information is incomplete, But the guesses are quite right. Plus we humans tend to leave out patterns and we can't process thousands of games to find a pattern, That's where the bot is good at, Also The Open AI showed many exploits in the atari games which humans did not think of. So saying it won't work before even trying doesn't proves anything.

[Caladonian]

same is the case with stock trading, The information is incomplete, But the guesses are quite right. Plus we humans tend to leave out patterns and we can't process thousands of games to find a pattern, That's where the bot is good at, Also The Open AI showed many exploits in the atari games which humans did not think of. So saying it won't work before even trying doesn't proves anything.

that's right mate this type of AI can only prove his uses if we will try it out by our self as its been created to help human being to take advantage of artificial knowledge I'm not saying it can be accurate but it can give some advantages if uses properly.

[FrueGreads]

So Recently Elon Musk announced the Open AI as we know, If you don't know about "Open AI" just google it, It is basically a bot which learns from visual input and becomes a master at doing whatever it is trained on(Given enought time), It can master any Atari game and can even predict stock prices by given it the proper data, so i was wondering what if somebody trains it on Poker or Dice game? It will be the perfect player, far better than the human and could probably make websites go bankrupt, as there is no defeating to an AI. From what i am seeing the future will be AI's Playing against each other. The person who will have a better AI player will win the most bets, Let me know what do you think about it.


Also If anybody in their spare time can train it on Poker or a simple Head Tail game, Do share your results it will be interesting to see.

I think it could work for training poker. There are actually a poker AI that is beating all the pros, and everyone is talking about it. But to train it for dice, then that is just a waste of time. There is no way to beat dice or any of those casino games, so it would only manage to lose the house edge on the long run. There is nothing else it could possibly do.

[Thekool1s]

From what I have read is if we dont change our nounce after each bet, we can lose alot more. The game becomes biased for the house. I was thinking may be the open AI could make use of it. As for poker yes. Any skill game can be mastered by open AI.

[FrueGreads]

From what I have read is if we dont change our nounce after each bet, we can lose alot more. The game becomes biased for the house. I was thinking may be the open AI could make use of it. As for poker yes. Any skill game can be mastered by open AI.

I don't know. I don't think it should happen that way. If it is random, then everything stays the same, either you change you nouce, seed or anything like that. It's not suppose to matter, if the casino are fair.

[audaciousbeing]

So Recently Elon Musk announced the Open AI as we know, If you don't know about "Open AI" just google it, It is basically a bot which learns from visual input and becomes a master at doing whatever it is trained on(Given enought time), It can master any Atari game and can even predict stock prices by given it the proper data, so i was wondering what if somebody trains it on Poker or Dice game? It will be the perfect player, far better than the human and could probably make websites go bankrupt, as there is no defeating to an AI. From what i am seeing the future will be AI's Playing against each other. The person who will have a better AI player will win the most bets, Let me know what do you think about it.


Also If anybody in their spare time can train it on Poker or a simple Head Tail game, Do share your results it will be interesting to see.

This is definitely advancement in technology but the issue here is that for bots to work on any site, the site must allow it and in this case when AI is winning all the time due to its immense abilities, then I see them installing anti AI systems which might make it less effective and by so  doing, users will discontinue its services. Aside that, to deploy AI at this time would be very expensive for an individual to be able to afford.

[Hydrogen]

AI as it exists in this day and age, works best in deterministic areas where all data affecting the outcome of an event can be quantified, measured and defined to some degree.

An AI neural net trained to be good at an atari game where all in-game variables can be measured is very different from skill at trading stocks or poker.

In a video game, all variables can be measured & quantified. Simple atari games essentially execute in a digital sandbox.

With poker and stock markets there are many factors and variables which are immeasurable & unquantifiable.

Attempting to predict poker or stock markets is partially non-deterministic similar to predicting the outcome of the superbowl or a sports event.

AI and computers can measure deterministic variables like wind speed, temperature, points scored, accuracy %.

But when people are involved and there are variables like attempting to measure the size of someone's heart, the human spirit, determination, will, the potential for people to make good or bad decisions, imagination. It can be extremely difficult for an AI to measure those things which would contribute to it lacking accuracy.

For an AI to be good at poker or stock markets would require a quantum leap in AI technology.

[Thekool1s]

This is definitely advancement in technology but the issue here is that for bots to work on any site, the site must allow it and in this case when AI is winning all the time due to its immense abilities, then I see them installing anti AI systems which might make it less effective and by so  doing, users will discontinue its services. Aside that, to deploy AI at this time would be very expensive for an individual to be able to afford.

As i developer i know it will take me around a day or two to go through the documentation of it. But from what i have seen from the videos. It is already ready to use. You just need to know python and reward the AI accordingly. I think it shouldn't take more than a week to modify a bit. To train it on lets say 100k games, would take around a month or so i think, but as for websites detecting if it's a bot or a human player, that's almost impossible. There are many frameworks like selenium which make it look like its a Normal user, it will be quiet hard to keep them out, even if they implement a captcha system.. The bot can even learn how to solve a captcha in no time.


The future of gambling is interesting with all these AIs coming out. I will see what i can do for this.

[Thekool1s]

AI as it exists in this day and age, works best in deterministic areas where all data affecting the outcome of an event can be quantified, measured and defined to some degree.

An AI neural net trained to be good at an atari game where all in-game variables can be measured is very different from skill at trading stocks or poker.

In a video game, all variables can be measured & quantified. Simple atari games essentially execute in a digital sandbox.

With poker and stock markets there are many factors and variables which are immeasurable & unquantifiable.

Attempting to predict poker or stock markets is partially non-deterministic similar to predicting the outcome of the superbowl or a sports event.

AI and computers can measure deterministic variables like wind speed, temperature, points scored, accuracy %.

But when people are involved and there are variables like attempting to measure the size of someone's heart, the human spirit, determination, will, the potential for people to make good or bad decisions, imagination. It can be extremely difficult for an AI to measure those things which would contribute to it lacking accuracy.

For an AI to be good at poker or stock markets would require a quantum leap in AI technology.

Look at google go ai, there are millions upon millions of moves, the portability of each move is very low and yet it has managed to beat the best of us. I don't think we need a quantum leap for just poker and stock predictions. There are bots which are already predicting the stock prices.

[tokeweed]

I would like to see an online poker tournament for bot makers.  And FYI some of them don't do it mostly to cheat or make money.  They're mostly in it for the pursuit of science.

[Thekool1s]

I would like to see an online poker tournament for bot makers.  And FYI some of them don't do it mostly to cheat or make money.  They're mostly in it for the pursuit of science.

The tournament part sounds interesting, but i don't think someone working on an AI for poker won't use it to make profits, human's don't work that way mate.. Things are about to get interesting. The rise of AI may eventually lead to the end of many online gambling games.

[tokeweed]

I would like to see an online poker tournament for bot makers.  And FYI some of them don't do it mostly to cheat or make money.  They're mostly in it for the pursuit of science.

The tournament part sounds interesting, but i don't think someone working on an AI for poker won't use it to make profits, human's don't work that way mate.. Things are about to get interesting. The rise of AI may eventually lead to the end of many online gambling games.

You'll be surprised.  The people you mostly see who use bots are the script kiddies.  They can't code and all they care about is learn how to use the bot and they can't even come up with their own programming for their bots.  The people who actually provide the source code for these bots are there for the science.  They want to push AI forward and what better way to test their bot than make it play poker.

[hatshepsut93]

same is the case with stock trading, The information is incomplete, But the guesses are quite right. Plus we humans tend to leave out patterns and we can't process thousands of games to find a pattern, That's where the bot is good at, Also The Open AI showed many exploits in the atari games which humans did not think of. So saying it won't work before even trying doesn't proves anything.

It works in trading because trading is human activity, and people have patterns which can be used by technical analysis. The bot can buy if the price have fallen to quickly or sell if it jumped to quickly. But in gambling there's no human operators, only random number generators, the only thing a bot can do is to try to find some imperfection in it, but if there is no such or if it's smaller than the house edge, then the bot is going to be useless. Gambling is a very simple thing, and simple things can't be cracked.

[Thekool1s]

Update: Well its about time, Saw this page being advertised on Facebook, These people are funding people to code the Best AI for poker. They have already given out a 3d printer to one of the winners. Well the things are about to get interesting. Future of gambling is in AI's hand. Would love to hear Your thoughts on this.

Facebook Page Link: https://www.facebook.com/AIGamingCom/
website link: http://beta.aigaming.com

[Hydrogen]

Look at google go ai, there are millions upon millions of moves, the portability of each move is very low and yet it has managed to beat the best of us. I don't think we need a quantum leap for just poker and stock predictions. There are bots which are already predicting the stock prices.

Checkers/chess/go programs brute force calculate every possible move. A question can be raised whether that represents true artificial intelligence. A go program calculates every move then uses an algorithm to estimate which move is the best, not unlike a coin sorter which evaluates each coin size to sort pennies from nickels and dimes.

Over the past 50 years, there hasn't been much evolution in terms of artificial intelligence software. All gains have come from hardware advancing via moore's law to a point where programs can calculate every possible move in checkers/chess/go within a reasonably short time.

There's no doubt computer programs (which probably shouldn't be called artificial intelligence) are very good at evaluating massive numbers of against some preset criteria. It shouldn't be confused with true artificial intelligence though.

[milewilda]

So Recently Elon Musk announced the Open AI as we know, If you don't know about "Open AI" just google it, It is basically a bot which learns from visual input and becomes a master at doing whatever it is trained on(Given enought time), It can master any Atari game and can even predict stock prices by given it the proper data, so i was wondering what if somebody trains it on Poker or Dice game? It will be the perfect player, far better than the human and could probably make websites go bankrupt, as there is no defeating to an AI. From what i am seeing the future will be AI's Playing against each other. The person who will have a better AI player will win the most bets, Let me know what do you think about it.


Also If anybody in their spare time can train it on Poker or a simple Head Tail game, Do share your results it will be interesting to see.

I cant think off such thing that it would be possible to be trained of knowing gambling that it has really a random outputs which no robot or AI can able to compute it for sure. Probabilities might be possible to be seen but chances or luck wont really be practiced. There are skills or instincts which do human have which AI dont have. Theres still difference and that perfect player doesnt really exist at all.

[piloder]

Talking about dice or other games, no any skill or strategy will work so I don't think using AI for this will make any difference. On the other hand yes card games like poker requires some skill and strategy but majority of time luck plays an important role, so even if AI will play poker or other card games than impact might be way lower than what we might speculate.

[LuanX3]

So Recently Elon Musk announced the Open AI as we know, If you don't know about "Open AI" just google it, It is basically a bot which learns from visual input and becomes a master at doing whatever it is trained on(Given enought time), It can master any Atari game and can even predict stock prices by given it the proper data, so i was wondering what if somebody trains it on Poker or Dice game? It will be the perfect player, far better than the human and could probably make websites go bankrupt, as there is no defeating to an AI. From what i am seeing the future will be AI's Playing against each other. The person who will have a better AI player will win the most bets, Let me know what do you think about it.


Also If anybody in their spare time can train it on Poker or a simple Head Tail game, Do share your results it will be interesting to see.

It seems you are still a newbie at gambling to even think like this. Gambling can never be learned by an AI, even if it does it cannot counteract the effects of randomness. Can an AI predict the future? If it can then it would win the dice games. If there was a fixed strategy in gambling, then there would have been super rich people from just gambling and all the casinos will go down.