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August 16, 2017, 02:52:00 AM
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Lol seriously! Ethereum is not a scam.  There are lots of ETH holders and investors.Eth is the only coin that has capability to overtake Bitcoin in Market Cap. We can't stop those people who has negative thoughts about it especially if eth is getting negative each day.
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August 16, 2017, 03:25:36 AM
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Lol seriously! Ethereum is not a scam.  There are lots of ETH holders and investors.Eth is the only coin that has capability to overtake Bitcoin in Market Cap. We can't stop those people who has negative thoughts about it especially if eth is getting negative each day.

If it's not a scam then why did a group of US citizens form a non-profit swiss corporation known as 'Ethereum Foundation', for the purposes of tax evasion, whom sold a product or security called 'Ether' to speculators on the promise of profits from future investors? Decentralized? Hardly.

This is the definition of a ponzi.


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A Ponzi scheme (/ˈpɒn.zi/; also a Ponzi game)[1] is a fraudulent investment operation where the operator generates returns for older investors through revenue paid by new investors, rather than from legitimate business activities or profit of financial trading. Operators of Ponzi schemes can be either individuals or corporations, and grab the attention of new investors by offering short-term returns that are either abnormally high or unusually consistent.
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August 16, 2017, 04:12:06 AM
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It makes me wonder why a cryptocurrency that currently ranks number two next to bitcoin is a scam. Ethereum is still young but come to realize, most start-ups in ICO make use eth as their token due to its smart contract technology. Everex becomes a popular company because of its first-ever ethereum mobile wallet app goo.gl/E2NDF2 that allows anyone to send and receive money from anywhere.

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August 16, 2017, 05:54:56 AM
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Yesterday Vitalik announced on Twitter that they made huge transactions which is world record in crypto currency.
Eth is the future. will never turn to scam.
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August 16, 2017, 06:22:31 AM
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Yesterday Vitalik announced on Twitter that they made huge transactions which is world record in crypto currency.
Eth is the future. will never turn to scam.


No, it was not  a "world record", another crypto still holds the record by far and it is not eth, anyone that says that eth made a world record is just lying or spreading misinformation to ethtards like you.
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August 16, 2017, 09:02:17 AM
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Yes, for sure, Ethereum is a scam !

Where is the PoS :-) ?
Not a real project, just a scam.

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August 16, 2017, 09:17:28 AM
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Hmm, not really buying it.

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August 17, 2017, 02:19:36 AM
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All I see is a flood of broken English NOOBS trying in vain to defend Ethereum.
They say it's popular.
And?

Seriously is that your big defense?  Cheesy

Good luck with your exchanger ICO profits coins investment portfolio pajeets.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMM_%28Ponzi_scheme_company%29



August 04, 2017 you buy ETH
It cost: 0.078 BTC
Now it cost: 0.069 BTC
-11% loss. If you lose scamer gain.
It was mistake, you must buy Bitcoin.
With ETH you only transfer you money it to scammer's bank account.

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August 17, 2017, 03:23:03 AM
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Are guys saying ETH is a scam because 70m coins were not mined?

FYI, those 70m coins were ethereum's ICO. They were sold to the public, not hoarded by Vitalik.

Its as simple as that.

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August 17, 2017, 03:40:23 AM
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Are guys saying ETH is a scam because 70m coins were not mined?

FYI, those 70m coins were ethereum's ICO. They were sold to the public, not hoarded by Vitalik.

Its as simple as that.

Your eschew from reality is admirable, actually, only 60 million of those coins were 'sold', the rest were pocketed by Vitalik and the Ethereum foundation, which they freely admit, and is viewable on their blockchain; asides from your rather vain attempt at sophistry, yes, the majority were in fact sold by 'Ethereum Foundation' to 'anonymous' investors (cough cough), all the whilst said 'Ethereum Foundation' was formed as a NON-PROFIT corporation; thus according to law, inappropriately and illegally selling their 'shares' in Ethereum as a product or security; exclusively on the terms that future investors would make the initial investors profit; which is polymorphously illegal in both US and Swiss Law.

You people don't seem to yet grasp the illegality of selling products/securities to investors from a centralized mechanism (corporation), solely on the promise of future profits; Don't worry, the SEC see's it, that's why they have specifically declared it illegal.

Ethereum is not decentralized, it was created and sold by a corporation, which in turn incurred a hefty profit. There was an issuer, or sale, according to the law. This thing is nothing like bitcoin, not even close; there are liable parties who made a surreptitious profit on a sale. Wait until they go 'proof of stake', then the fun really begins as the law now has preferred stock holders to go after.

Ethereum is literally the definition of a ponzi.

People's only argument that it isn't a scam is 'people buy it, therefore it isn't a scam'. Yet most of you cannot see the flaw in this line of reasoning?
This is a logical fallacy of an immutable apex, it is propounded as an 'appeal to popularity', which is a flaw in critical thinking.

Why is this fallacy applicable? Since logically, simply because a newb populous 'buys' into something, doesn't factually make it not a scam.

Bernie Madoff was in business from 1960 until 2008 before the Feds caught up with him.

Subsequently, if ETH isn't a scam, why did the Ethereum Foundation, a NOT FOR PROFIT corporation founded by Americans, have to sell their product on the promise of profit from future investors? This wasn't launched 'decentrally', not even close, it was sold by a for-profit corporation. This is not cryptocurrency in the slightest sense.

This is how corporate stock issues work, period.

The SEC has contemporaneously declared ICOs' an illegal offering of a security; Ethereum itself therefore consummated an illegal ICO offering, as have the hundreds of pseudo-companies releasing their ICOs' on Ethereum's very centralized platform; which was created and sold by the 'Ethereum Foundation'; Which in turn, according to law, makes them a very liable party for all of the ICO scams running today.

This is why Vitalik can fork or modify Ethereum at will, as proven by what he did after the DAO hack; Ethereum is not decentralized in the slightest, it has ownership in the eyes of the law. (How vulnerable is Ethereum, really?)

Further, why hasn't a single 'dapp' been released as speculated in the whitepaper? There has been ubiquitous purchasing of this product based on 'hype' alone, yet no actual substance; which again, is the definition of a ponzi. This is why people don't want to admit it's a scam, it's hard to admit you got taken in by the hype, whilst the reality of the situation screams otherwise.

Why were smart contracts invented by one 'Nick Szabo' in 1996, whilst Vitalik usurped his work, propounded a simulacrum, and precluded giving due credit for the already existing technology?

Smart contracts are computer protocols intended to facilitate, verify, or enforce the negotiation or performance of a contract. Smart contracts were first proposed by Nick Szabo in 1996.

Why does the Ethereum network crash constantly and is unable to handle the most basic of ICO launches, despite the millions supposedly poured into it? Wouldn't it crash even more if a 'dapp' ever got released? As of today all of the 'hype' that ethereum promised is nugatory upon delivery, it is literally vaporware.

Why is the Ethereum blockchain already larger than Bitcoin's, making it unpractical for mining, let alone using or downloading a private user wallet?

Why is there not a single working stable user wallet outside of a centralized website (myetherwallet), or closed-source 'multi-wallets' that are highly vulnerable, while the 'official' mist wallet hardly works, despite the millions in profit these people have made?

Again, why did a group of US citizens form a non-profit corporation in Switzerland to evade taxes and sell their product? They did so in violation of not only US Law, but also the Swiss law for non-profit corporations. These people have proved they are not only willing, but ready and able to run off with hard-earned legitimate money, en perpetuity. Buy at your own risk.


How is any of this not a scam?

'There's a sucker born every minute' -- P.T. Barnum

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August 17, 2017, 10:53:13 AM
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Great informative post, @Gnosis7777, thank you for taking the time! Everyone must know in what exactly they are involved.

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August 17, 2017, 12:37:46 PM
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i dont think Eth is a scam... it has been in the market for times already
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August 17, 2017, 12:41:47 PM
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no, I dont think ethereum is scam, Ethereum is a great altcoin
and many project partnership with ethereum at the moment.

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August 17, 2017, 12:46:31 PM
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Ethereum SCAM?


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NOW EXIST 92,000,000 ETH COINS:
https://etherscan.io/chart/ethersupplygrowth
MINING WAS OPEN IN 2015:
https://etherscan.io/chart/hashrate
BUT IN THIS MOMENT WAS ALREADY EXIST 70,000,000 COINS = 14,000,000,000 $
SO FOUNDER HAVE 77% COINS
BITCOIN FOUNDER HAVE NOT MORE THAN 11% COINS
FOR Ethereum FOUNDER % BECOME 11% NEED 50 YEARS MORE
poloniex FULL STACK OF ETH/BTC AND ETH/USD - 32,400,000$
https://etherscan.io/chart/ethersupply
DAILY NEW COUNS - 30,000 ETH * 330$ = 9,900,000$ - IT WILL GROWUP WITH PRICE
https://blockchain.info/stats
1,650 BTC PER DAY - 5,840,127$
95% OF EARTH'S POPULATION CANNOT THINK BY YOURSELF AND DO SAME LIKE NEARHOODS



I do not think so, because now there are so many platforms that use ethereum technology, so it is very unlikely if ethereum is a scam. And also now there are still many people who invest in ethereum and many investors who want to invest there.

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August 17, 2017, 12:56:09 PM
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Are guys saying ETH is a scam because 70m coins were not mined?

FYI, those 70m coins were ethereum's ICO. They were sold to the public, not hoarded by Vitalik.

Its as simple as that.
Yes because of 70 Millions coins were ethereum's ICO doesn't mean ethereum is scam coin, because the main of function of ethereum right now is for build dapps and ICOs products on ethereum's blockchain ethereum not to be used as currency or digital asset, ethereum offer smart contract platform on ethereum's blockchain.
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August 17, 2017, 12:59:42 PM
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nice try buddy Grin its good trolling indeed
you mean scam ? etherum start price 0.0005 BTC on 2014 and now 0.07+ BTC for 1 etherum Grin i cant say it scam or ponzi.
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August 28, 2017, 02:33:35 PM
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One thing is that there are lots of points to dicuss about scams in crypto, but ETH is not a scam.
They get an important part of ETH before ICO, that is normal since it is a business. I am also thinking in a normal currency, and how some of the same "criticized actions from ETH´s Team", but it does not mean that it is a scam.

Right now, been ETH in the top 2 or 3 after BTC, and with an increased rate, is on the spot of the competency. Nothing new. But as any other currency, is good to know how people discuss about it and is able realize about strong and weak points on this. As any other investment, it will be good or bad depending on timing and your objective.

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September 07, 2017, 06:37:04 PM
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So Ethereum daily transactions exceed those of bitcoin and are almost always cheaper and faster, yet ETH is less than half of BTCs market cap. Check
Ethereum has a thriving ecosystem of tokens and DApps, which will be using gas on the Ethereum network, while BTC has (none?), yet ETH is less than half of BTCs market cap. Check
Bitcoin took years to decide to implement Segwit and lighting network (Litecoin did it before them), and their scaling roadmap was contentious and caused a major split in the community, and will probably repeat in November to get their community even more split. Ethereum Metropolis and Raiden network is non-contentious has community support and did not divide the community, yet ETH is less than half of BTCs market cap. Check
Smart contracts are the way of the future for blockchain technology, and every promising blockchain out there is racing to get them (Tezos, EOS etc.) and Bitcoin is honestly being left behind, even if they are able to implement them, yet ETH is less than half of BTCs market cap. Check
Ethereum has the backing of governments, and big companies/corporations, Bitcoin does NOT have a Bitcoin enterprise alliance, yet ETH is less than half of BTCs market cap. Check
Ethereum will implement proof of stake with Casper, Bitcoin wont, yet ETH is less than half of BTCs market cap. Check
Ethereum has amazing developers who concentrate on their work and arent toxic, Bitcoin is the EXACT opposite, yet ETH is less than half of BTCs market cap. Check,...
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September 07, 2017, 06:39:47 PM
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So now will people start to understand that iEx.ec is most likely a stronger team/project than Golem?
I love Golem but they've got work to do. And supposedly iEx.ec (EEA member) is going to be announcing some juicy things at DevCon3.
I shall patiently continue to hold my RLC bags..
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September 07, 2017, 07:31:08 PM
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Ahahahahaha, very funny post. Especially now, when the Ethereum, and the tokens based on it flourish and bring their holders a profit)

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