"All 17 intelligence agencies agree that Russia hacked the US election"

[Moloch]

I laugh every time I hear this...

Am I the only person who wondered...
We have 17 intelligence agencies?
Who are they?

Let's start with the possibly relevant agencies:
1) FBI
2) NSA
3) CIA

Now for the non-relevant agencies:
4) Office of the Director of National Intelligence
5) Defense Intelligence Agency
6) Office of Intelligence and Analysis
7) Bureau of Intelligence and Research
8] Office of Terrorism and Financial Intelligence (Dept of Treasury)
9) National Reconnaissance Office
10) National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency
11) Military Intelligence Corps (Army)
12) Office of Naval Intelligence (Navy)
13) Twenty-Fifth Air Force (Air Force)
14) Marine Corps Intelligence (Marine Corps)
15) Coast Guard Intelligence (Coast Guard)
16) Office of National Security Intelligence (DEA)
17) Office of Intelligence and Counterintelligence (Dept of Energy)


I mean... who are they kidding?

How/Why would the DEA have information regarding Russia hacking into the DNC emails?
How would any but 2-3 of these agencies have that type of info?

Why not just say "all our intelligence agencies agree?" or "all relevant agencies agree"?

Why mention 17 of them when 90%+ have no input on the topic?

Why lie and say that the DEA, etc agrees with the conclusion that it was Russia when they couldn't possibly have such information?

[Sithara007]

Then you have to define the term "hacking". The voting machines were not connected to the internet, and the only possible way to hack them is to do it manually for each of the machines. Do you think that it is possible?

[Moloch]

Then you have to define the term "hacking". The voting machines were not connected to the internet, and the only possible way to hack them is to do it manually for each of the machines. Do you think that it is possible?

That's a different issue, and yes it is not only possible, but Russia tried that too

This is what the leak from Reality Winner (her actual name) was about...

The leak showed Russia not only hacked into the database of the company who makes the voting machines, but that they tried phishing emails (and more?) against people who had access to the machines

So yeah, Russia at least tried to compromise the voting machines themselves, but nobody knows whether they were successful, because zero states audited/recounted the election results

This leak is only about a week old, so no telling how long congress etc has known about it


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/russia-hacking-worse-reality-winner-leaks-show-senator-article-1.3225906

Moscow's largest foreign intelligence agency — targeted employees at an electronic voting vendor in August. At least one employee was likely compromised, the report said.

Hackers then used info from the company to target more than 100 local government email addresses by pretending to be from Florida-based VR Systems, the NSA report allegedly said.

fake emails the hackers sent from VR Systems contained booby-trapped Microsoft Word documents designed to give up control of a computer's functions and allow "persistent access" to deliver more malware, the NSA report said.

The intelligence report did not say whether those emails were successful in compromising local officials' computers and systems. But Intercept reporters pointed out that a registration system malfunction in Durham, N.C., which used VR Systems, caused long lines and confusion at some polling places. A deputy director for the Durham County Board of Elections said the company's software was not the cause of problems.

The leaked documents shed new light on alleged interference efforts by Russia close to the election, with the disclosure saying the hacking "may have breached at least some elements of the voting system, with disconcertingly uncertain results."

[freedomno1]

They could just say they are doing what the American playbook has done for decades and it is to rig and manipulate elections through the use of Propaganda to interfere in another countries political process, one need sto look only the Latin America and puppet governments to see that history or the Cold war, they are only raging because they think they can do it to other people but no one should be able to do it to them ^^.

[squatz1]

Honestly, this is just the Mainstream media trying to gain more credibility for a story that doesn't have any credibility to start with. They think by making this horribly irrelevant claim that they'll be able to latch onto people and try to trick them into thinking that all of the intelligence agencies in the US are in agreeance and all the facts are there.

It's wonderful how you put it, most of these agencies are going to irrelevant and not have any data relating to the US election shit and Russia. It's just another talking point for the MSM, Liberals, and Democratic politicians. Irrelevant news is the way to put it.

[PeterTheGrape]

Actually each intelligence agency has at least 6 factions with differing opinions, so it isn't clear if the entirety of the 17 agencies, or at least 1/6th of each agrees with whatever it is.

Anybody who remembers Philip Agees book about helping other countries with the subtleties of elections can't be too offended.

At the end of the day though all that matters is how the day ends. If Hillary had gotten elected Americans would be scratching out their ears every time she whinnied. Trump is at least worth watching. There is always the chance that if you listen to him speak you will say "wow".

[ridery99]

I laugh every time I hear this...

Am I the only person who wondered...
We have 17 intelligence agencies?
Who are they?

Let's start with the possibly relevant agencies:
1) FBI
2) NSA
3) CIA

Now for the non-relevant agencies:
4) Office of the Director of National Intelligence
5) Defense Intelligence Agency
6) Office of Intelligence and Analysis
7) Bureau of Intelligence and Research
8] Office of Terrorism and Financial Intelligence (Dept of Treasury)
9) National Reconnaissance Office
10) National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency
11) Military Intelligence Corps (Army)
12) Office of Naval Intelligence (Navy)
13) Twenty-Fifth Air Force (Air Force)
14) Marine Corps Intelligence (Marine Corps)
15) Coast Guard Intelligence (Coast Guard)
16) Office of National Security Intelligence (DEA)
17) Office of Intelligence and Counterintelligence (Dept of Energy)


I mean... who are they kidding?

How/Why would the DEA have information regarding Russia hacking into the DNC emails?
How would any but 2-3 of these agencies have that type of info?

Why not just say "all our intelligence agencies agree?" or "all relevant agencies agree"?

Why mention 17 of them when 90%+ have no input on the topic?

Why lie and say that the DEA, etc agrees with the conclusion that it was Russia when they couldn't possibly have such information?

To make it seem more legitimate, perhaps 

[SimmonenY]

USA just have to admit that they've elected Trump by themselves and take the responsibility.

[Proton2233]

Then you have to define the term "hacking". The voting machines were not connected to the internet, and the only possible way to hack them is to do it manually for each of the machines. Do you think that it is possible?

I'm not a supporter of Trump and Russia, but the scenario of Russian hackers hacking of voting machines seems unlikely. Probably the Americans were not ready for information warfare and swallowed as bait Trump candidacy.

[yoseph]

Most of these agencies are irrelevant and they should just stop with all these investigations, i thought they said the Russians hacked the election by hacking the DNC and airing their dirty laundry in the public, but hacking the election machines is not possible at all.

[audaciousbeing]

I see this as basically a confirmation that Russia is superior to US or else these calibre of leaders are just making fun of themselves all because they don't want to move on over the loss of Hillary in as as much I am not a fan of the current president but the issue is if they are able to prove that Russia indeed hacked the election, then its slap on US that proves itself to be the most powerful country in the world to be vulnerable to something as sensitive as the election.

[matuson]

Most of these agencies are irrelevant and they should just stop with all these investigations, i thought they said the Russians hacked the election by hacking the DNC and airing their dirty laundry in the public, but hacking the election machines is not possible at all.

I am opposed to deny anyone the investigation into interference in the internal Affairs of States. It concerns the security of the country and any information is important, but only want the facts. I see nothing but wild assumptions.

[Sweetbtc]

The fact is that the election process is far too large and too spread out for the common citizen to out right "know" that there is nothing happening behind the scenes. This is made more intense by the anonymous voting process.  Looking at election results, there is no way for someone that voted for candidate A to say, "My vote was counted wrong". 

[Sweetbtc]

The election process has such time demands on it also that make the process harder to secure.  The people demand that the results be made available that same night.  That means that the local precincts have to be a large part of the compilation and counting process.  That means 1000's, perhaps millions of individual counties and adjuncts reporting the results from those areas and all that being combined. 

[Kronos21]

It will be a major mistake. Elections using paper easiest to falsify. The election shall be by electronic means, but it is impossible to do via the Internet, voting machines cannot be connected to the Internet and more, will help to protect the voices. You only need to want to do it.

[Panda Trump]

USA just have to admit that they've elected Trump by themselves and take the responsibility.

I fully agree with you!

It's like putting a 3 megatons of gunpowder at a village and then start crying about a villager who threw a cigarette at it.

Trump chose America.
America chose Trump.
That is pure love.
Pure love must not be broken.
Intelligence teams try to figure out a way to break the pure love,
but America should admit pure love can not be broken.

Regards,
Trump

[Love!]

USA just have to admit that they've elected Trump by themselves and take the responsibility.

I fully agree with you!

It's like putting a 3 megatons of gunpowder at a village and then start crying about a villager who threw a cigarette at it.

Trump chose America.
America chose Trump.
That is pure love.
Pure love must not be broken.
Intelligence teams try to figure out a way to break the pure love,
but America should admit pure love can not be broken.

Regards,
Trump

I couldn't have said it better myself. The fly-over states elected Trump and the coastal states voted for Billary. They are upset that they didn't have the influence they thought they did over the fly-over states, so instead of admitting they are weak and ineffective and taking steps to change that.........Russia hacked the election.

Pretty sad really.

[2girls]

The election process has such time demands on it also that make the process harder to secure.  The people demand that the results be made available that same night.  That means that the local precincts have to be a large part of the compilation and counting process.  That means 1000's, perhaps millions of individual counties and adjuncts reporting the results from those areas and all that being combined. 

The process is secured and administered the best that the country can do and still provide rapid results. There are just some things in life that will not change, no matter what people do.

[Sweetbtc]

USA just have to admit that they've elected Trump by themselves and take the responsibility.

I fully agree with you!

It's like putting a 3 megatons of gunpowder at a village and then start crying about a villager who threw a cigarette at it.

Trump chose America.
America chose Trump.
That is pure love.
Pure love must not be broken.
Intelligence teams try to figure out a way to break the pure love,
but America should admit pure love can not be broken.

Regards,
Trump

Plus, there will always be those that claim there is tampering because in their mind the results can simply not be what they are, there is no way in their minds that the country made the choice that is displayed. 

[Lancusters]

It seems to me that all the talk about Russian participation in American elections is an attempt to shift responsibility for selecting such an idiot like Trump President on the Russian. Americans do not want to recognize among them many people who voted for him.