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June 13, 2017, 09:28:24 AM
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This shit is too crazy man!

Why the hell do i have to pay that mutch?
I wanna make a payment of $73, fee would be $8.04.
What the hell is going on?

Proof?
http://imgur.com/a/Y5Ruo

Anything to do to aviod this?
I will turn my back to Bitcoin if this shit is going on like this.
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June 13, 2017, 09:33:08 AM
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If you're not in a hurry, you could simply choose a lower fee.
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June 13, 2017, 09:34:57 AM
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I don't know how many inputs you have and that's the number of satoshi/byte intended to pay as tx fee, but if your transaction doesn't have many inputs (faucets) you can do better with a proper local wallet.
So if you can export your private key(s) and import into Electrum you have a good chance to pay (much) less.

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June 13, 2017, 09:43:18 AM
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use the mouse and click on 'Customize Fee' and see what your options are...

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June 13, 2017, 09:47:32 AM
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Maybe click "customize fee" or just dont use bitcoin for this
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June 13, 2017, 09:55:19 AM
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If you're not in a hurry, you could simply choose a lower fee.

I am not in a hurry for a payment.
I did not make the payment yet. I Refuse to pay this kind of fee.

I don't know how many inputs you have and that's the number of satoshi/byte intended to pay as tx fee, but if your transaction doesn't have many inputs (faucets) you can do better with a proper local wallet.
So if you can export your private key(s) and import into Electrum you have a good chance to pay (much) less.

Haven't paid yet, i don't know how many in or outputs it will have.
They should destroy those faucets site, they are killing the Bitcoin.

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June 13, 2017, 09:57:36 AM
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Step 1) Don't educate yourself.
Step 2) Start using Bitcoin.
Step 3) Encounter a normal thing which is seemingly surprising for you because of Step 1).
Step 4) Rant on Bitcointalk and other places and blame Bitcoin for your own short comings.
Step 5) Huh

Education time:
1) Any kind of decentralized cryptocurrency is extremely inefficient. Meaning, this isn't a problem inherent to Bitcoin.
2) The fees are determined by: a) Block space scarcity. b) Block space demand. As we all should know, Bitcoin provides around 144 MB of block space per day. For this example, let's label block space as A and block demand as B. There are two (three) cases:
2.1) A > B = fees are going down.
2.2) A < B = fees are going up.
2.3) A ~= B = fees are stable and we have reached an equilibrium (I've yet to see this happen in practice).
3) You may be wondering at this point that determines the fee that you have to pay. So, building upon point 2, there is a thing called recommended fee-rate1 and is usually denominated in satoshis/byte or satoshis/kB. At this time, the recommend fee-rate for fast inclusion is 390 satoshis/byte This means that a median transaction (1 input and 2 outputs) requires ~88k Satoshis (~0.8$).
4) The recommended fee-rate is a direct result of the fee market. If I, as an individual, want to take up 90% of the block space and want to pay a fee up to 1000 satoshis/byte, you can't stop me. This is the nature of the system.

What can you do?
1) Do not use web wallets or any kind of wallets that limit your fee settings. Use Electrum2 if you need a light wallet, or Bitcoin Core3 (recommended) if you need a full wallet.
2) Consolidate UTXO (outputs) during times when there is almost no congestion. As an example: Transactions with 0-50 satoshis/byte were processing pretty quickly the past weekend.
3) Pay less and wait more. The amount you pay (which you can pick in the wallets that I've recommended) in combination with the fee-rate tiers (see superscript 1) determines how long you will wait for a confirmation (estimate).
4) Support Segwit4 and tell your local miners to do so.

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1: https://bitcoinfees.21.co/
2: https://electrum.org/#home
3: https://bitcoin.org/en/download
4: https://www.cryptocompare.com/coins/guides/what-is-segwit/
4.1: https://bitcoincore.org/en/2016/01/26/segwit-benefits/

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June 13, 2017, 10:09:05 AM
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you currently have 11 unspent transaction outputs in your wallet that you are trying to spend. some of these outputs are as small as 0.00037403BTC.

and your transaction size is going to be a little less than 2 kB and with the crappy blockchain.info fee suggestion of 100-140 satoshi per byte you have to pay ~0.002917BTC for that size.

next time ask those who are paying you small amounts to combine all your payments and pay you once in a bigger transaction.

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June 13, 2017, 10:18:27 AM
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Fine post Lauda.


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Why the hell do i have to pay that mutch?
Check the wiki and there you will find some answers.

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June 13, 2017, 10:23:11 AM
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you currently have 11 unspent transaction outputs in your wallet that you are trying to spend. some of these outputs are as small as 0.00037403BTC.
How did you know that OP has 11 unspent transaction outputs in his wallet?

Anything to do to aviod this?
I will turn my back to Bitcoin if this shit is going on like this.
Try waiting for the correct time where the network isn't that much busy. Yesterday I sent a $50 transaction with a fee of $0.41 and it got confirmed within an hour.

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June 13, 2017, 10:30:34 AM
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you currently have 11 unspent transaction outputs in your wallet that you are trying to spend. some of these outputs are as small as 0.00037403BTC.
How did you know that OP has 11 unspent transaction outputs in his wallet?

it is mostly a guess but from the address he posted to get paid in on bitcointalk on May 16, 2017
i did some calculations and everything checks out, the fee, the fee/byte that is suggested usually and his total number of UTXOs
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June 13, 2017, 10:33:32 AM
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This shit is too crazy man!

Why the hell do i have to pay that mutch?
I wanna make a payment of $73, fee would be $8.04.
What the hell is going on?

Proof?
http://imgur.com/a/Y5Ruo

Anything to do to aviod this?
I will turn my back to Bitcoin if this shit is going on like this.

The fees is voluntary and it's not the network error, it's the miner that are getting excessively greedy, before if the network is not crowded the standard fees could pass but now it's 100s/b at all times, even when there are few tx's pending.

I agree the developers should do something, either a 2 mb per block or whatever, but have to solve this, people are using ETH just to get around the fees.
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June 13, 2017, 10:34:38 AM
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This shit is too crazy man!

Why the hell do i have to pay that mutch?
I wanna make a payment of $73, fee would be $8.04.
What the hell is going on?

Proof?
http://imgur.com/a/Y5Ruo

Anything to do to aviod this?
I will turn my back to Bitcoin if this shit is going on like this.

Is that coinbase? I know their transaction fees are stupidly insane

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June 13, 2017, 10:39:50 AM
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This shit is too crazy man!

Why the hell do i have to pay that mutch?
I wanna make a payment of $73, fee would be $8.04.
What the hell is going on?

Proof?
http://imgur.com/a/Y5Ruo

Anything to do to aviod this?
I will turn my back to Bitcoin if this shit is going on like this.
Although, the fee has been high in recent times but its not supposed to be this crazy but there could be several reasons for this as other have rightly suggested which I am going to tend towards the fact the amount you are intending to send is cumulation from several addresses with micro balances as this could be the reason for this high fees.
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June 13, 2017, 10:40:54 AM
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you currently have 11 unspent transaction outputs in your wallet that you are trying to spend. some of these outputs are as small as 0.00037403BTC.
How did you know that OP has 11 unspent transaction outputs in his wallet?

Anything to do to aviod this?
I will turn my back to Bitcoin if this shit is going on like this.
Try waiting for the correct time where the network isn't that much busy. Yesterday I sent a $50 transaction with a fee of $0.41 and it got confirmed within an hour.

Dunno, but https://blockchain.info/unspent?active=1KzsaffqLuKk81vRKx4bNDAWVYL3NEZMoZ&format=html
It's 11 but i don't see any reasson why is should pay $8 for a transaction.

This shit is too crazy man!

Why the hell do i have to pay that mutch?
I wanna make a payment of $73, fee would be $8.04.
What the hell is going on?

Proof?
http://imgur.com/a/Y5Ruo

Anything to do to aviod this?
I will turn my back to Bitcoin if this shit is going on like this.

Is that coinbase? I know their transaction fees are stupidly insane

No it's blockchain.info!
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June 13, 2017, 10:50:48 AM
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you currently have 11 unspent transaction outputs in your wallet that you are trying to spend. some of these outputs are as small as 0.00037403BTC.
How did you know that OP has 11 unspent transaction outputs in his wallet?

Anything to do to aviod this?
I will turn my back to Bitcoin if this shit is going on like this.
Try waiting for the correct time where the network isn't that much busy. Yesterday I sent a $50 transaction with a fee of $0.41 and it got confirmed within an hour.

Dunno, but https://blockchain.info/unspent?active=1KzsaffqLuKk81vRKx4bNDAWVYL3NEZMoZ&format=html
It's 11 but i don't see any reasson why is should pay $8 for a transaction.

This shit is too crazy man!

Why the hell do i have to pay that mutch?
I wanna make a payment of $73, fee would be $8.04.
What the hell is going on?

Proof?
http://imgur.com/a/Y5Ruo

Anything to do to aviod this?
I will turn my back to Bitcoin if this shit is going on like this.

Is that coinbase? I know their transaction fees are stupidly insane

No it's blockchain.info!

It's just blockchain congestion mate. It's how things are at the moment.

If you don't feel confortable with paying a $8 fee - don't. Pay a smaller fee and use the Antpool or Viabtc transaction acceleration services which are both free to accelerate your transaction. But this comes with risks, your transaction may never confirm if the transaction accelerators don't work, or you might have to pay more in future to get the same transaction confirmed.

It's fairly standard for each input to cost around 0.001 BTC these days. You must have been away for a long long time because this is barely news by now.
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June 13, 2017, 10:51:59 AM
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I noticed the same, few days ago, 5€ for moving 50€ in BTC from my wallet to an exchange...

That's why you can change the fees but be carefull because smaller fees will greatly increase the transaction time.
In my case, when i putted 0.0005 BTC as fee, my transaction took nearly 3 days ! with 0.001 BTC it took a few hours.

It's a matter of balance between your imperatives, patience and the money you are ready to waste in exchange of time.
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June 13, 2017, 10:52:32 AM
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miners and Jihan Wu is going on... Tongue

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June 13, 2017, 10:55:12 AM
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Welcome to the new Bitcoin world bro. I deposited 0.03 Bitcoin earlier in nitrogensports using my coins.ph i had to choose from 3 transaction from low, medium and high priority, i chose low priority and it cost me 0.001 Bitcoin, medium priority will cost 0.003 Bitcoin and high priority cost 0.009Btc. I chose the low priority because the site only needs 1 confirmation before my deposit reflects to my account.
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June 13, 2017, 11:04:59 AM
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Guy's i am not a newbie around here, i work with bitcoin for 2 years now.
I know how i can change the fee, lower or higher, doesn't matter.
Point is, if this is how the blockchain will handle my transactions with this kind of fee i am out.
Even with many outputs i haven't paid this kind of fee, never! Made around 255 transactions.
I am not stupid, i am shocked about this high fee.
And if this kind of fee will be normal to pay i am out of Bitcoin.

There many others coins with better rates.
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