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June 13, 2017, 11:14:46 PM
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I like the idea behind it but the initial valuation it got is way too high. I speculate it will crash before taking on a more realistic pricing and possibly growth cycle.
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June 13, 2017, 11:31:18 PM
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Can you answer this (quoting myself from another post):

Iota introduces an interesting new concept in the crypto scenario: the directed acyclic graph, or DAG. Basically it's an evolution of the usual blockchain, requiring no fees and without scaling issues.

Nevertheless, after having a quick look at the white paper I still don't understand how the nodes will keep working continuously. In the "tangle" there are no miners, the beloved greedy workers of the Bitcoin blockchain. Instead, here to perform a transaction, you should verify other transactions first. In the white paper (http://iotatoken.com/IOTA_Whitepaper.pdf) they say:

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what motivates the nodes to propagate transactions? In fact, in our setup the nodes do not have motivation
not to propagate. Every node calculates some statistics, one of which is how many
new transactions are received from a neighbor. If one particular node is “too lazy”, it
will be dropped by its neighbors. So, even if a node does not issue transactions (and
hence has no direct incentive to share new transactions that approve its own one), it
still has incentive to work hard.

I'm not convinced by this statement. In fact, let's say that  I'm a node and I don't want to be excluded by other nodes (and even on this I would like to understand what it means to be excluded. If you start again working hard can you be re-admitted? I could work only if I need to do transactions).
If my fellow nodes work x, I could work 0.99 x to not get excluded and minimize my work. But this reasoning can be applied to every node, since electricity has a cost, so everyone one will lower its effort, resulting in a system that perform poorly.


As to why a node would want to propagate here is how I understand it:

1) the difficulty is not high with IOTA, it can't be because anything with a processor needs to be able to perform a tansaction. This includes cell phones, modems, desktops, laptops, etc.

2) the more neighbors, the faster the network grows/operates. Would a visual help? This is the tangle live:https://tangle.blox.pm/
you basically have a new way to connect with every new neighbor, so it makes sense you'd want as many neighbors as possible that are not "lazy". If your node is lazy, you essentially are not operating on the network to full capacity and get blacklisted. Electricity costs for this is negligible. The "proof" does not require a miner, only a device containing a small amount of processing power.

I'm not extremely technically savvy, but I have tried to keep up since I have a decent amount,

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June 13, 2017, 11:34:27 PM
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Hey, I have just finished my video about doubts and concerns about IOTA and what I think about it; maybe it helps some people here to understand IOTA a bit better : https://youtu.be/9-uzzNocgvk

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June 14, 2017, 03:41:34 AM
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$1
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June 14, 2017, 06:14:54 AM
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This is too good an idea to not jump on immediately, buy and HODL! Top 3 coin easily.

The simpler it is, the better I like it
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June 14, 2017, 06:54:23 AM
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This is too good an idea to not jump on immediately, buy and HODL! Top 3 coin easily.

I agree. It was a bit crazy and unfortunate (for me as a new investor) how high this started on exchanges but it actually rightfully took it's place. This is Crypto 3.0.
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June 14, 2017, 11:13:27 AM
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it's just interesting that the market cap of the exchange is very high in value .

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June 14, 2017, 11:22:32 AM
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Cryptocoins are valued by consensus.
I am not seeing enough consensus for IOT to be worth a billion

So, this smells fishy.
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June 14, 2017, 11:23:20 AM
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it's just interesting that the market cap of the exchange is very high in value .

It's not high. It's low.
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June 14, 2017, 02:47:47 PM
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Cryptocoins are valued by consensus.
I am not seeing enough consensus for IOT to be worth a billion

So, this smells fishy.

Right now it's only available on one exchange that is currently blocking deposits... So the real price could be much lower.
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June 14, 2017, 03:23:46 PM
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Cryptocoins are valued by consensus.
I am not seeing enough consensus for IOT to be worth a billion

So, this smells fishy.

Right now it's only available on one exchange that is currently blocking deposits... So the real price could be much lower.

When will they allow deposits?
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June 14, 2017, 03:50:53 PM
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It is like a setup. do not put buy orders on this!!!
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June 14, 2017, 04:28:40 PM
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Cryptocoins are valued by consensus.
I am not seeing enough consensus for IOT to be worth a billion

So, this smells fishy.

Right now it's only available on one exchange that is currently blocking deposits... So the real price could be much lower.

When will they allow deposits?

bitfinex is blocking deposits? Shocked
didnt know about it
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June 14, 2017, 05:31:02 PM
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seriously? 1bln for 2miln investment? If I were token holder I would dump it like hell. 500x return! this is Sheisse, just watch OIT!

nobody should buy it at this price!

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June 14, 2017, 05:48:56 PM
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seriously? 1bln for 2miln investment? If I were token holder I would dump it like hell. 500x return! this is Sheisse, just watch OIT!

nobody should buy it at this price!

Hard to sell it, if you can't deposit your coins ......

I assume market cap will go down hard once they open it
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June 14, 2017, 05:50:17 PM
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is there a way to short this thing? I would love to short it big time.

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June 14, 2017, 06:53:30 PM
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me too, but its not possible yet "until order book is filled". i can buy it, but the price is too high, not worth it now
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June 14, 2017, 08:36:56 PM
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Hope it gets to more respectable exchanges. Bitfinex has lost my trust
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June 14, 2017, 08:48:57 PM
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Hope it gets to more respectable exchanges. Bitfinex has lost my trust

Just curious how BFX lost your trust?

I see them as the most respectable exchange... they paid everyone back after the hack.
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June 14, 2017, 08:52:54 PM
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yeah i can confirm. i didnt have too much there and it took months, but i got  everything back.

but IOTA is currently @ 0.545 there, and its way much higher than where i would consider buying. maybe i can try to buy very little amount just for fun.
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