Matryoshka (The New Russian Election Interference Leak)

[GreenBits]

Hey folks,
 They haven't been reporting widely on this as of yet, I can't source it a whole lot as I track it back beyond Bloomberg. Another one of.the leaks that characterizes our political climate now. Neither Democrats or Republicans should want to see all these leaks, information this sensitive affect diplomacy, and has to be contained, in my opinion.

Waiting for this to get a little more traction with additional news outlets, but, from Bloomberg:

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-06-13/russian-breach-of-39-states-threatens-future-u-s-elections

Russia’s cyberattack on the U.S. electoral system before Donald Trump’s election was far more widespread than has been publicly revealed, including incursions into voter databases and software systems in almost twice as many states as previously reported.

In Illinois, investigators found evidence that cyber intruders tried to delete or alter voter data. The hackers accessed software designed to be used by poll workers on Election Day, and in at least one state accessed a campaign finance database. Details of the wave of attacks, in the summer and fall of 2016, were provided by three people with direct knowledge of the U.S. investigation into the matter. In all, the Russian hackers hit systems in a total of 39 states, one of them said.

The scope and sophistication so concerned Obama administration officials that they took an unprecedented step -- complaining directly to Moscow over a modern-day “red phone.” In October, two of the people said, the White House contacted the Kremlin on the back channel to offer detailed documents of what it said was Russia’s role in election meddling and to warn that the attacks risked setting off a broader conflict.

The new details, buttressed by a classified National Security Agency document recently disclosed by the Intercept, show the scope of alleged hacking that federal investigators are scrutinizing as they look into whether Trump campaign officials may have colluded in the efforts. But they also paint a worrisome picture for future elections: The newest portrayal of potentially deep vulnerabilities in the U.S.’s patchwork of voting technologies comes less than a week after former FBI Director James Comey warned Congress that Moscow isn’t done meddling.

“They’re coming after America,” Comey told the Senate Intelligence Committee investigating Russian interference in the election. “They will be back.”

A spokeswoman for the Federal Bureau of Investigation in Washington declined to comment on the agency’s probe.

Kremlin Denials

Russian officials have publicly denied any role in cyber attacks connected to the U.S. elections, including a massive “spear phishing” effort that compromised Hillary Clinton’s campaign and the Democratic National Committee, among hundreds of other groups. President Vladimir Putin said in recent comments to reporters that criminals inside the country could have been involved without having been sanctioned by the Russian government.

One of the mysteries about the 2016 presidential election is why Russian intelligence, after gaining access to state and local systems, didn’t try to disrupt the vote. One possibility is that the American warning was effective. Another former senior U.S. official, who asked for anonymity to discuss the classified U.S. probe into pre-election hacking, said a more likely explanation is that several months of hacking failed to give the attackers the access they needed to master America’s disparate voting systems spread across more than 7,000 local jurisdictions.

Such operations need not change votes to be effective. In fact, the Obama administration believed that the Russians were possibly preparing to delete voter registration information or slow vote tallying in order to undermine confidence in the election. That effort went far beyond the carefully timed release of private communications by individuals and parties.

This may be fake news at this point, in this day and age (I'm being sarcastic, but only Engadget is reporting this beyond Bloomberg, and they source Bloomberg). So still not proven, but I think this firmly puts aside all that 'show me the proof' rhetoric we have been hearing from a certain political party, if true.

So if this is true, we actually have evidence of what actually amounts to voter fraud, along with the psyops campaign the Intel community concluded was conducted.

Thoughts?

I wanted to wait on this, til it gained more traction, but this has been consuming me since I read it, it's simply fascinating.

[merchantofzeny]

You think we'll ever get to the core of this matryoskha? Too much intrigue regarding this topic. OK, assuming this is real, I agree about not having to actually manipulate the tally. I assume they'd be more traceable had they done that. The small things have a big impact, like a small rock falling can cause an avalanche. You just have to nudge things a bit into the way you want them to be.

[GreenBits]

Never mind, gaining traction, I had my search string a little fucked up

https://www.engadget.com/2017/06/13/report-russia-hacked-election-systems-in-39-us-states/

http://m.newser.com/story/244217/russians-likely-breached-your-states-voting-system.html

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/13/russias-cyber-attack-on-39-states-could-jeopardize-future-us-elections.html

https://www.cnet.com/news/russias-election-hacking-reached-39-us-states-says-report/

Sums it up again pretty succinctly:

Russia's efforts to hack the US electoral system last year were more extensive than previously made public, Bloomberg reported Tuesday.

Voting systems were hacked in 39 states during the 2016 presidential election, sources told Bloomberg. That figure is nearly double the number previously reported.

The information comes just days after a leaked National Security Agency report revealed widespread cyberattacks on more than 100 local governments and a voting software firm leading up to the 2016 election.

So Obama knew about this, before he left office. I understand the weird ass sanctions now. But what is most intriguing to me is if Obama had access to this intelligence, so did Trump. It's part of the classified record, this is a specific power of the POTUS (along with the ability to declassify said information at will). If Trump knows this, why has he been saying this?

--Russia must be laughing up their sleeves watching as the U.S. tears itself apart over a Democrat EXCUSE for losing the election.

--Things will work out fine between the U.S.A. and Russia. At the right time everyone will come to their senses & there will be lasting peace!

--The Democrats made up and pushed the Russian story as an excuse for running a terrible campaign. Big advantage in Electoral College & lost!

That's a little off, for someone with access to this report, don't you think?

[yoseph]

I am highly skeptical about this whole election hacking incident,first and foremost what was Russia's motivation in hacking the election machines and why did they hack it for Donald Trump to win assuming if they did it all. There are so many unknowns and if they did hack it, why didn't Trump win the popular votes as weĺl.

[GreenBits]

You think we'll ever get to the core of this matryoskha? Too much intrigue regarding this topic. OK, assuming this is real, I agree about not having to actually manipulate the tally. I assume they'd be more traceable had they done that. The small things have a big impact, like a small rock falling can cause an avalanche. You just have to nudge things a bit into the way you want them to be.

I do. He told the entire intelligence community to go fuck itself. If it requires finding Jimmy Hoffa to solve this case, I don't think that stone would be left unturned.

Meuller seems to be gearing up for some thing bigly :
https://www.axios.com/mueller-adds-muscle-for-russia-investigation-2439721714.html (I've gotta start reading Axios)

Special counsel "Robert Mueller has hired Michael Dreeben, on a part-time basis, to help with his investigation. Dreeben, a deputy in the Office of the Solicitor General, has argued more than 100 cases before the Supreme Court. His specialty has, for the last 20 years, been criminal matters and he has an encyclopedic knowledge of criminal law."

Be smart: Mueller is amassing the talent arsenal you'd build to bring criminal charges.

Why it matters: "[H]e is quite possibly the best criminal appellate lawyer in America (at least on the government's side). That Mueller has sought his assistance attests both to the seriousness of his effort and the depth of the intellectual bench he is building."

National Law Journal: "The move signals that Mueller is seeking advice on the complexities that have arisen already in the investigations, including what constitutes obstruction of justice."

Mueller's has had a spate of other high-octane hires, including Andrew Weissmann, chief of the fraud section of the Justice Department's Criminal Division.

We are going to terraform the swamp into a fucking desert, is what I read here

I am highly skeptical about this whole election hacking incident,first and foremost what was Russia's motivation in hacking the election machines and why did they hack it for Donald Trump to win assuming if they did it all. There are so many unknowns and if they did hack it, why didn't Trump win the popular votes as weĺl.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obama-orders-review-of-russian-hacking-during-presidential-campaign/2016/12/09/31d6b300-be2a-11e6-94ac-3d324840106c_story.html?utm_term=.30f976c54b25

“It is the assessment of the intelligence community that Russia’s goal here was to favor one candidate over the other, to help Trump get elected,” said a senior U.S. official briefed on an intelligence presentation made to U.S. senators. “That’s the consensus view.”

http://abcnews.go.com/US/showdown-trump-tower-president-elect-set-receive-intel/story?id=44594917

Donald Trump will meet with the director of national intelligence and the heads of the FBI and CIA in his New York skyscraper to receive a highly classified report into Russia’s hacking of U.S. political institutions.

And this was Jan 2017.

So they told him this, before he even told office, because this report was generated while Obama was in office.

This means they also would have told him about Flynn

And Obama told him personally about Flynn.

And Sally Yates told him about Flynn..

How come everybody knew about Flynn except me?

And to put the cherry on the top of the clusterfuck sundae, so Trump would have known all that, before he tweeted this:

--Mike Flynn should ask for immunity in that this is a witch hunt (excuse for big election loss), by media & Dems, of historic proportion!
4:04 AM - 31 Mar 2017

Awwwww shit

[Gyro]

I believe it. Russia has been hacking the US for years. Also why wouldn't Russia want a Trump in office? Look at the damage he's done so far. Plus I'm sure Russia has dirt on him and plans to use it if it hasn't already happened.

We all thought that the election was the most entertainment we would get from Trump, if this does become a criminal case here comes the ratings for TV channels!! rakin' in the bux. Its going to be sickening for a while, with Trumps face all over TV again.

[warrior333]

I am highly skeptical about this whole election hacking incident,first and foremost what was Russia's motivation in hacking the election machines and why did they hack it for Donald Trump to win assuming if they did it all. There are so many unknowns and if they did hack it, why didn't Trump win the popular votes as weĺl.

Motivation just Russian there. This is the ultimate dream of Putin to have a stupid friend on the post of the President of the United States. But I very much doubt that the Russian hackers are so big that they could hijack the electoral system. We can talk only about the hidden propaganda, but it does not violate the laws of the United States. Maybe so, and there is no evidence of their intervention.

[GreenBits]

I am highly skeptical about this whole election hacking incident,first and foremost what was Russia's motivation in hacking the election machines and why did they hack it for Donald Trump to win assuming if they did it all. There are so many unknowns and if they did hack it, why didn't Trump win the popular votes as weĺl.

Motivation just Russian there. This is the ultimate dream of Putin to have a stupid friend on the post of the President of the United States. But I very much doubt that the Russian hackers are so big that they could hijack the electoral system. We can talk only about the hidden propaganda, but it does not violate the laws of the United States. Maybe so, and there is no evidence of their intervention.

Literally, my above post is evidence of Russian collusion. Defacto, absolute evidence (unless you don't believe intelligence agency reports, which is actually a fair amount of posters in this subforum).

What will it take? Putin even hinted that 'nationals' might have hacked the elections, he won't claim sfate actors because duh.

[Masha Sha]

Hey folks,
 They haven't been reporting widely on this as of yet, I can't source it a whole lot as I track it back beyond Bloomberg. Another one of.the leaks that characterizes our political climate now. Neither Democrats or Republicans should want to see all these leaks, information this sensitive affect diplomacy, and has to be contained, in my opinion.

Waiting for this to get a little more traction with additional news outlets, but, from Bloomberg:

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-06-13/russian-breach-of-39-states-threatens-future-u-s-elections

Russia’s cyberattack on the U.S. electoral system before Donald Trump’s election was far more widespread than has been publicly revealed, including incursions into voter databases and software systems in almost twice as many states as previously reported.

In Illinois, investigators found evidence that cyber intruders tried to delete or alter voter data. The hackers accessed software designed to be used by poll workers on Election Day, and in at least one state accessed a campaign finance database. Details of the wave of attacks, in the summer and fall of 2016, were provided by three people with direct knowledge of the U.S. investigation into the matter. In all, the Russian hackers hit systems in a total of 39 states, one of them said.

The scope and sophistication so concerned Obama administration officials that they took an unprecedented step -- complaining directly to Moscow over a modern-day “red phone.” In October, two of the people said, the White House contacted the Kremlin on the back channel to offer detailed documents of what it said was Russia’s role in election meddling and to warn that the attacks risked setting off a broader conflict.

The new details, buttressed by a classified National Security Agency document recently disclosed by the Intercept, show the scope of alleged hacking that federal investigators are scrutinizing as they look into whether Trump campaign officials may have colluded in the efforts. But they also paint a worrisome picture for future elections: The newest portrayal of potentially deep vulnerabilities in the U.S.’s patchwork of voting technologies comes less than a week after former FBI Director James Comey warned Congress that Moscow isn’t done meddling.

“They’re coming after America,” Comey told the Senate Intelligence Committee investigating Russian interference in the election. “They will be back.”

A spokeswoman for the Federal Bureau of Investigation in Washington declined to comment on the agency’s probe.

Kremlin Denials

Russian officials have publicly denied any role in cyber attacks connected to the U.S. elections, including a massive “spear phishing” effort that compromised Hillary Clinton’s campaign and the Democratic National Committee, among hundreds of other groups. President Vladimir Putin said in recent comments to reporters that criminals inside the country could have been involved without having been sanctioned by the Russian government.

One of the mysteries about the 2016 presidential election is why Russian intelligence, after gaining access to state and local systems, didn’t try to disrupt the vote. One possibility is that the American warning was effective. Another former senior U.S. official, who asked for anonymity to discuss the classified U.S. probe into pre-election hacking, said a more likely explanation is that several months of hacking failed to give the attackers the access they needed to master America’s disparate voting systems spread across more than 7,000 local jurisdictions.

Such operations need not change votes to be effective. In fact, the Obama administration believed that the Russians were possibly preparing to delete voter registration information or slow vote tallying in order to undermine confidence in the election. That effort went far beyond the carefully timed release of private communications by individuals and parties.

This may be fake news at this point, in this day and age (I'm being sarcastic, but only Engadget is reporting this beyond Bloomberg, and they source Bloomberg). So still not proven, but I think this firmly puts aside all that 'show me the proof' rhetoric we have been hearing from a certain political party, if true.

So if this is true, we actually have evidence of what actually amounts to voter fraud, along with the psyops campaign the Intel community concluded was conducted.

Thoughts?

I wanted to wait on this, til it gained more traction, but this has been consuming me since I read it, it's simply fascinating.

Why can't they do the same level of involvement for an inquiry on wtc7? Nothing else usefull to know.

[GreenBits]

Hey folks,
 They haven't been reporting widely on this as of yet, I can't source it a whole lot as I track it back beyond Bloomberg. Another one of.the leaks that characterizes our political climate now. Neither Democrats or Republicans should want to see all these leaks, information this sensitive affect diplomacy, and has to be contained, in my opinion.

Waiting for this to get a little more traction with additional news outlets, but, from Bloomberg:

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-06-13/russian-breach-of-39-states-threatens-future-u-s-elections

Russia’s cyberattack on the U.S. electoral system before Donald Trump’s election was far more widespread than has been publicly revealed, including incursions into voter databases and software systems in almost twice as many states as previously reported.

In Illinois, investigators found evidence that cyber intruders tried to delete or alter voter data. The hackers accessed software designed to be used by poll workers on Election Day, and in at least one state accessed a campaign finance database. Details of the wave of attacks, in the summer and fall of 2016, were provided by three people with direct knowledge of the U.S. investigation into the matter. In all, the Russian hackers hit systems in a total of 39 states, one of them said.

The scope and sophistication so concerned Obama administration officials that they took an unprecedented step -- complaining directly to Moscow over a modern-day “red phone.” In October, two of the people said, the White House contacted the Kremlin on the back channel to offer detailed documents of what it said was Russia’s role in election meddling and to warn that the attacks risked setting off a broader conflict.

The new details, buttressed by a classified National Security Agency document recently disclosed by the Intercept, show the scope of alleged hacking that federal investigators are scrutinizing as they look into whether Trump campaign officials may have colluded in the efforts. But they also paint a worrisome picture for future elections: The newest portrayal of potentially deep vulnerabilities in the U.S.’s patchwork of voting technologies comes less than a week after former FBI Director James Comey warned Congress that Moscow isn’t done meddling.

“They’re coming after America,” Comey told the Senate Intelligence Committee investigating Russian interference in the election. “They will be back.”

A spokeswoman for the Federal Bureau of Investigation in Washington declined to comment on the agency’s probe.

Kremlin Denials

Russian officials have publicly denied any role in cyber attacks connected to the U.S. elections, including a massive “spear phishing” effort that compromised Hillary Clinton’s campaign and the Democratic National Committee, among hundreds of other groups. President Vladimir Putin said in recent comments to reporters that criminals inside the country could have been involved without having been sanctioned by the Russian government.

One of the mysteries about the 2016 presidential election is why Russian intelligence, after gaining access to state and local systems, didn’t try to disrupt the vote. One possibility is that the American warning was effective. Another former senior U.S. official, who asked for anonymity to discuss the classified U.S. probe into pre-election hacking, said a more likely explanation is that several months of hacking failed to give the attackers the access they needed to master America’s disparate voting systems spread across more than 7,000 local jurisdictions.

Such operations need not change votes to be effective. In fact, the Obama administration believed that the Russians were possibly preparing to delete voter registration information or slow vote tallying in order to undermine confidence in the election. That effort went far beyond the carefully timed release of private communications by individuals and parties.

This may be fake news at this point, in this day and age (I'm being sarcastic, but only Engadget is reporting this beyond Bloomberg, and they source Bloomberg). So still not proven, but I think this firmly puts aside all that 'show me the proof' rhetoric we have been hearing from a certain political party, if true.

So if this is true, we actually have evidence of what actually amounts to voter fraud, along with the psyops campaign the Intel community concluded was conducted.

Thoughts?

I wanted to wait on this, til it gained more traction, but this has been consuming me since I read it, it's simply fascinating.

Why can't they do the same level of involvement for an inquiry on wtc7? Nothing else usefull to know.

Here, not even trolling.

https://9-11commission.gov/report/

Can't make jokes about this. Still leaves a poor taste in my mouth.

Edit: I just read your 9/11 thread, you made me curious. Ignore that, I won't insult you with this report, I can imagine how you feel about it.

[Proton2233]

Fanatics are always dangerous to society. On the other hand after this incident, maybe the Republicans think that supporting such an idiot like Trump they are not only a disgrace to his party, but to set society against itself, and it is dangerous.

[Masha Sha]

Hey folks,
 They haven't been reporting widely on this as of yet, I can't source it a whole lot as I track it back beyond Bloomberg. Another one of.the leaks that characterizes our political climate now. Neither Democrats or Republicans should want to see all these leaks, information this sensitive affect diplomacy, and has to be contained, in my opinion.

Waiting for this to get a little more traction with additional news outlets, but, from Bloomberg:

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-06-13/russian-breach-of-39-states-threatens-future-u-s-elections

Russia’s cyberattack on the U.S. electoral system before Donald Trump’s election was far more widespread than has been publicly revealed, including incursions into voter databases and software systems in almost twice as many states as previously reported.

In Illinois, investigators found evidence that cyber intruders tried to delete or alter voter data. The hackers accessed software designed to be used by poll workers on Election Day, and in at least one state accessed a campaign finance database. Details of the wave of attacks, in the summer and fall of 2016, were provided by three people with direct knowledge of the U.S. investigation into the matter. In all, the Russian hackers hit systems in a total of 39 states, one of them said.

The scope and sophistication so concerned Obama administration officials that they took an unprecedented step -- complaining directly to Moscow over a modern-day “red phone.” In October, two of the people said, the White House contacted the Kremlin on the back channel to offer detailed documents of what it said was Russia’s role in election meddling and to warn that the attacks risked setting off a broader conflict.

The new details, buttressed by a classified National Security Agency document recently disclosed by the Intercept, show the scope of alleged hacking that federal investigators are scrutinizing as they look into whether Trump campaign officials may have colluded in the efforts. But they also paint a worrisome picture for future elections: The newest portrayal of potentially deep vulnerabilities in the U.S.’s patchwork of voting technologies comes less than a week after former FBI Director James Comey warned Congress that Moscow isn’t done meddling.

“They’re coming after America,” Comey told the Senate Intelligence Committee investigating Russian interference in the election. “They will be back.”

A spokeswoman for the Federal Bureau of Investigation in Washington declined to comment on the agency’s probe.

Kremlin Denials

Russian officials have publicly denied any role in cyber attacks connected to the U.S. elections, including a massive “spear phishing” effort that compromised Hillary Clinton’s campaign and the Democratic National Committee, among hundreds of other groups. President Vladimir Putin said in recent comments to reporters that criminals inside the country could have been involved without having been sanctioned by the Russian government.

One of the mysteries about the 2016 presidential election is why Russian intelligence, after gaining access to state and local systems, didn’t try to disrupt the vote. One possibility is that the American warning was effective. Another former senior U.S. official, who asked for anonymity to discuss the classified U.S. probe into pre-election hacking, said a more likely explanation is that several months of hacking failed to give the attackers the access they needed to master America’s disparate voting systems spread across more than 7,000 local jurisdictions.

Such operations need not change votes to be effective. In fact, the Obama administration believed that the Russians were possibly preparing to delete voter registration information or slow vote tallying in order to undermine confidence in the election. That effort went far beyond the carefully timed release of private communications by individuals and parties.

This may be fake news at this point, in this day and age (I'm being sarcastic, but only Engadget is reporting this beyond Bloomberg, and they source Bloomberg). So still not proven, but I think this firmly puts aside all that 'show me the proof' rhetoric we have been hearing from a certain political party, if true.

So if this is true, we actually have evidence of what actually amounts to voter fraud, along with the psyops campaign the Intel community concluded was conducted.

Thoughts?

I wanted to wait on this, til it gained more traction, but this has been consuming me since I read it, it's simply fascinating.

Why can't they do the same level of involvement for an inquiry on wtc7? Nothing else usefull to know.

Here, not even trolling.

https://9-11commission.gov/report/

Can't make jokes about this. Still leaves a poor taste in my mouth.

Edit: I just read your 9/11 thread, you made me curious. Ignore that, I won't insult you with this report, I can imagine how you feel about it.

as much as you may feel considerate about not insulting me, you are by so insulting me.  I admit never having read it... and of course i am very curious to know what's in there about wtc7.

Honnestly feeling have no place, binary move. Yes no yes no yes no, until this event is answered.

But admit that if those anti trump/american independence/ constitution and bills of rights were giving half of their energy toward really understanding 9.11 from a factual basis, all doubts would have been lifted.

Larry silverdtein was never interrogated, from what i know...

You know, same shit in russia.... ohohoh... mercyless as the artic cold. But why this difference?



Edit: youl could have commented in the wtc7 topic, why didn't you?

[GreenBits]

We are of a similar mind about 9/11. The difference is, I won't go on record with my opinions.

Again, I did not mean to insult you, I was not aware that you are awoken concerning this topic.

[Masha Sha]

We are of a similar mind about 9/11. The difference is, I won't go on record with my opinions.

Again, I did not mean to insult you, I was not aware that you are awoken concerning this topic.

Please note the /sarc below all my posts. It apply to all things published by this account.

I was semikidding, in the sense that freedom of speech can only exist if there are diverse opinions, and specially those who may be contrary to mine, but a fact can't be disregarded as a matter of prespective.

I was just shocked that you could believe to be able to insult me with pixels on a screen.

Personnally i don't have opinions, just questions leading most of the time to new questions. If the mind crystalize isn't it the closed thing to death?

A good question silverstein is a preplanned fall guy (meaning he was among those setup to take the fall? Some kind of safety switch) or the real mastermind or just an executant in the plan?

About selfcensorship:

§ 502. Enlistment oath: who may administer
(a) Enlistment Oath.— Each person enlisting in an armed force shall take the following oath:
"I, (state name of enlistee), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

A1: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Backed by common defense...



The real question is what do the dia/cia/nsa/fbi/nypd/hiddendefenseshadowcogies think of this wtc7...

At the dermatologist this morning...



I have a last question...