bitgrail - treating their users like shit

[lutche]

It seems that the mexicantarget was right after all, the robbery was done and now nothing can be done. sit and cry those who left their XRB backgrounds on BitGrail, or rather, put those bastards in jail.

[Daddy33]

I hope we will get him. https://www.reddit.com/r/nanocurrency/comments/7wiimg/the_stolen_nanos_are_on_mercatox_and_they_can/

[GavilanBit]

Well, when i saw this post i believed totally in Mexicantarget, because 1) He has a good reputation, runs wonderfull sites, treats his customers great. and 2) i had problems when trying to communicate with Bitgrail´s admins. They mistreted me, as mistreted many customers.

Now the truth is heavy, The Bomber and his crew "lost" 17M Nano... so, they are not just arrogant people, they are, either way, scammers or useless incompetent guys that lost a lot of peoples money.

I reallly hope they pay for this, in any form.

[burnedbyfees]

I'm gonna call it, they stole it, they weren't hacked.

I got very bad vibes from these people during any interactions. They are very rude and had no respect for their customers or Nano, exactly the type of people who would help themselves to other people's money.

I hope the funds can be seized on Mercatox and returned.

[figmentofmyass]

I'm gonna call it, they stole it, they weren't hacked.

I got very bad vibes from these people during any interactions. They are very rude and had no respect for their customers or Nano, exactly the type of people who would help themselves to other people's money.

after the XRB snafu in january, i was already half expecting an exit scam. adding mandatory KYC (to withdraw anything) with no notice a couple weeks ago smelled fishy as hell too. i wish i could say i'm surprised. i missed out on a lot of XRB action because i was unwilling to touch bitgrail or mercatox. they are both incompetent at best, scammers at worst.

Bitgrail owner's signature on bitcointalk:

You either die a developer, or live long enough to see yourself become the scammer.

interesting...

[burnedbyfees]

I'm gonna call it, they stole it, they weren't hacked.

I got very bad vibes from these people during any interactions. They are very rude and had no respect for their customers or Nano, exactly the type of people who would help themselves to other people's money.

after the XRB snafu in january, i was already half expecting an exit scam. adding mandatory KYC (to withdraw anything) with no notice a couple weeks ago smelled fishy as hell too. i wish i could say i'm surprised. i missed out on a lot of XRB action because i was unwilling to touch bitgrail or mercatox. they are both incompetent at best, scammers at worst.

Bitgrail owner's signature on bitcointalk:

You either die a developer, or live long enough to see yourself become the scammer.

interesting...

Yes, it was fishy.

In retrospect it looks like this was a delaying tactic to stop people learning there wasn't enough XRB left on the exchange to cover withdrawals.

By making it as difficult as possible for people to access their funds they could keep it going a while longer. They didn't give a shit about KYC, it was just a plausible excuse.

[stclair]

It's so obvious... He was "borrowing" peoples xrbs on his site taking them to another exchange and using the funds to make money via trading but got caught in the crash. He was trying to delay until the market was starting to going up but didn't make it because the community exposed him... He's just a fool. Young greedy person. We can all learn a lesson from his stupidity.

[Nivir]

Wtf! A friend of mine just lost worth $10,000 at Bitgrail. It was getting popular because of XRB I guess but because I am busy lately I avoided the same scenario. Just now I am looking for reviews here and all are negative regarding this exchange. I feel sad on the victims.

[alyssa85]

It looks like they are completely insolvent, so the only recourse is maybe getting the regulators involved to freeze assets so whatever remains can be redistributed.

There is a huge thread on reddit about it:

https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/7wh2a1/bitgrail_got_hacked_and_is_insolvent/

Looks like loads of people got burnt.

[bratko99]

Just heard about that hack.
17m XRBs? Come on.. And they are blaming the coin now? I guess operating an exchange isn't for them.

[asere]

Withdrawal fees will propably pay for their losses.

I only have 113 COSS = 68USDT in the account and when trying to withdraw they it says 'Flat fee: - 65 !!!!!!

Thats more than half!!!!

THIEVES

[bardio808]

I've checked my wallet on the exchange and all my XRBs are there.
Is that means my wallet is not hacked and i got a chance to withdraw later?

[TryNinja]

I've checked my wallet on the exchange and all my XRBs are there.
Is that means my wallet is not hacked and i got a chance to withdraw later?

Those are just numbers in a database. IIRC, Raiblocks has less than 4m XRB/Nano in their wallet and they owe their users ~17m. I heard some people saying that MAYBE everyone should receive 20% to 25% of the owned coins back. But it's only a possibility and the risk of not getting anything is high.

[bitcoin revo]

What an absolute cunt. If you check the chat logs between Bomber and the Nano team, the guy's inability to take responsibility nor to see 2 feet in logic becomes apparent. He tries to get the devs to either fork or pull the nano and cover his sorry ass for him, and ultimately tries to threaten them:

Due to an xrb bug that caused the node to crash,  the attackers forced the system to get double payments for which we have no trace of time due to another bug in xrb offcial explorer.We will say that the devs refuse to cooperate despite the proposed solutions.

"Proposed solutions", neither of which are feasible.

[sgk]

...

This is the owner of Bitgrail https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=330503

LOL, see the irony: his last post on the forum was this one:



P.S.: "BigRail"  <--- that made me chuckle! 

[Ryder100]

Have people read this owner of bitgrails signature on his profile?  IT says:

"You either die a developer, or live long enough to see yourself become the scammer.
O muori da programmatore, o vivi tanto a lungo da diventare uno scammer."

[Potato Chips]

Update from bitgrail regarding the missing funds: https://bitgrail.com/news (It's not in english so you have to rely on google translate  )

It seems like bitgrail is uselessly trying to turn the tables by accusing the nano team instead 

Also, Here's an excerpt from the interview conducted by cointelegraph:

CT: Do you expect to find a refund solution for the customers, even if the Nano team decides not to cooperate?

FF: No, it's impossible to refund the stolen amount.

Condolences!!

[sgk]

Have people read this owner of bitgrails signature on his profile?  IT says:

"You either die a developer, or live long enough to see yourself become the scammer.
O muori da programmatore, o vivi tanto a lungo da diventare uno scammer."

Haha....   guess he left the bread crumbs everywhere, we were just blind enough to see it 

[SweetHodler]

is there any possibility altho  small that we will get our funds back anytime in the future? Or is it just done forever and there is no hope left?

[bardio808]

is there any possibility altho  small that we will get our funds back anytime in the future? Or is it just done forever and there is no hope left?

According to best practice of this market absolutely no chance.